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Re: Bitcoin - how to protect its value
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nightwatch
on 11/02/2011, 08:24:27 UTC
If Google or Facebook created a digital currency they would probably completely wipe Bitcoin out just by creating a market million times bigger than current BTC market.

A friend of mine asked me this the other day.  I think it's important to remind ourselves what the attributes of bitcoin are that make it actually have inherent value and are the reasons why a conglomerate or big brother would not want to touch it with a 10 foot pole.

1.  Transactions are, or at least can be, 100% anonymous
2.  There will only ever be 29 mil ever issued
3.  It is distributed and decentralized


  The big boys (facebook, google, the fed, blah blah etc.) want to control or profit or both.  There is no way that any large organization would or could adopt a bitcoin clone as a model or anything even similar.  Facebook has their credit system they the call a virtual currency (lol),
http://www.facebook.com/help/?page=1038
but I don't think you can sell them or trade them so it's not really a currency but rather a way for you to give them money so it really doesn't count.  Google has their google checkout which I really don't know too much about, but seems to be their answer to paypal.  Paypal on the other hand is the closest thing to a corporately owned digital currency.  We buy paypal dollar credits with our national currency.  Paypal digital currency is of course pegged to the national currency, but we can then buy things with them online, much like we can with bitcoin, admittedly limited at this point, but theoretically exactly the same.  Paypal is however

1.  Not anonymous
2.  Just as suseptable to inflation and helicoptor ben as any fiat currency
3.  100% centralized

Anonymity is not something that is encouraged in the financial industry at least not when it comes to the "little people".  Trust me I work at a bank.  It's also not something the sec or any regulatory system would stand by.  Any profit seeking corporation is going to want to sell their currency to grow the volume to increase their profits and any large entity by definition is not decentralized or distributed or at least not amongst the people.  

It is, to my best understanding, the way that bitcoin is written that makes it so genius genius genius.  I can't think of any way to improve it's design.  At least not to the degree that it would make it obsolete or even worth any less.  If, for instance, a big dog were to step on the scene introducing to the broader general public, "Bitcoin 2 inc." now with a marketing and publicity budget to inform the world on the advantages of an anonymous digital curruncy, insusceptible to inflation and completely decentralized, it would only contribute to the acceptance of an idea I don't think most people have or could wrap their head around yet.  Oh and by the way there is an original bitcoin community that has been establishing itself independently, but pay no mind to the man behind the curtain.  

Bitcoin is something completely new for a completely new era, an era we don't completely understand yet.  Things develop faster than we can understand them.  There was probably a point when someone said "are you stupid, why would I give you my saber tooth tiger coat for a little piece of shiny yellow rock?"

There are other digital currencies out there with different attributes.  OpenTransact, I think will serve to a great degree when it comes to developing local currencies with a hard backing, but bitcoin is unique.  In my opinion it actually resembles some of the great ideas of some of the largest corporations.  Microsoft and Google.  There was a time when people said "why would anyone want a computer in their house?" and "what I don't get it, it's just a search engine?".  Bitcoin is actually a company.  It is an open source, distributed anti-corporation.  It's a company truly owned by the people.  As bitcoin gains in popularity so will the value of the bitcoin.  Bitcoins are the stock and we the people are the stock holders.

If you haven't seen this yet watch it.

RSA-the suprising truth about what motivates us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc    

      

yes, the idea behind Bitcoin is genius (genial? how to say it in English?) and it has all the properties that an ideal currency should have, being decentralized and escaping any attempts to manipulate or take over by a big enough organization. But this makes it undesirable for the big fish out there, just like gold has very undesirable properties for governments and banks. It makes me wonder if such currency can gain enough acceptance to be considered real money, or if it can survive without acceptance of banks and governments.
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Re: Bitcoin - how to protect its value
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nightwatch
on 11/02/2011, 06:50:50 UTC

When Bernanke print USD, he doesn't hurt EUR or JPY


Are you really sure about this ?

The reality shows that to keep the economy going if one major currency is devalued all other must be too. Don't know why, probably because it creates a huge imbalance in trade and business competivity.
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Re: Bitcoin - how to protect its value
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nightwatch
on 10/02/2011, 22:35:47 UTC
wow sounds like Cryptonomicon
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Re: Bitcoin - how to protect its value
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nightwatch
on 10/02/2011, 22:22:07 UTC
Bitcoin is a P2P technology like Bittorrent.  If companies want to control the currency then Bitcoin is not for them. 

Yes, I agree, but we are talking about a currency here. The currency's value is not that it's decentralized but that it can buy you something.
Some time ago all money was decentralized as well - if you had gold and silver coins you didn't need any central authority to tell people what is the value of your money. The gold coin was worth as much as the gold it was made of, the same with silver. Then money was centralized -you have a piece of paper with a number on it and the government's job is to convince everyone that the piece of paper has a certain value, much greater than the paper itself. So, this is still money, even if the 'underlying architecture' has changed, and still people want to (or have to) use it.

But this diverts quite a lot from my original question which was: how new digital currencies will reduce the purchasing power of existing ones?
maybe if the cryptocurrency's purchasing power will equal the real cost of creating it it won't matter how many new currencies are created, their value will not drop below the cost of creating a new currency unit? Just like the real metal coin - it will never cost less than the metal its made of. (yeah, I think I got what moa was talking about)
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Re: Bitcoin - how to protect its value
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nightwatch
on 10/02/2011, 22:02:29 UTC
No, haven't seen anyone clone Bittorrent, but who would want to do that and for what purpose? Maybe the SecondLife currency (LindenDollars) would be a better example? Many companies want to have such a market where they can control the currency and its purchasing power and that's why there are so many MMORPGs. (FYI, I don't have a SL account and don't know the SL economy at all but as long as people want to pay 'real' money for your digital currency the business is worth a lot).
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Re: Bitcoin - how to protect its value
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nightwatch
on 10/02/2011, 21:52:10 UTC
If Google or Facebook created a digital currency they would probably completely wipe Bitcoin out just by creating a market million times bigger than current BTC market.
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Re: Bitcoin - how to protect its value
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nightwatch
on 10/02/2011, 21:35:54 UTC
Maybe creating Bitcoins is like mining. But not creating Bitcoin clones - this is rather like creating a truck of gold out of thin air.
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Re: Bitcoin - how to protect its value
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nightwatch
on 10/02/2011, 21:31:03 UTC
I think the problem with your comparison is that Bitcoin is not like gold - you can't create gold but you can create any number of Bitcoin clones and they are just as good as original Bitcoin.
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Re: Bitcoin - how to protect its value
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nightwatch
on 10/02/2011, 21:22:49 UTC
Not an exact clone but something that serves the same purpose - a digital currency. If an alternative became popular enough (for example, a special version for the chinese market), wouldn't Bitcoin have to give a market share to that alternative, and wouldn't sellers want to accept payments both in BTC and in the chinese alt currency? This way, there would be more digital money in the market and their value would have to drop.
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Bitcoin - how to protect its value
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nightwatch
on 10/02/2011, 21:09:53 UTC
I'm new to bitcoin idea and find it very interesting, however I've got a question:
how do you protect your wealth from inflation? I know the Bitcoin system is internally protected from an uncontrolled inflation as only a limited amount of currency can be in circulation, but what would happen if Bitcoin became a popular currency with market worth USD millions? Wouldn't it make people clone it and produce an unlimited amount of alternative cryptocurrency systems based on the value of CPU work? Wouldn't these BTC alternatives gradually erode the purchasing power of Bitcoin? Or would BTC value remain constant no matter how many alternatives are there?