Are we rich yet?! 

when did i say that i dumped all of my coins? what incentive would i have to come in here and bitch about something that i have no stake in?

i think what differentiates me from a lot on here is that i AM willing to speak up for what i believe in, no matter who i offend. apologists like you saying things like: "we should be so lucky that they even come here to post at all, most other coins after 6 months don't have that" is pathetic.

you want this coin to succeed? stop apologizing for the devs. i'm not putting words in anyone's mouth, they say they'll deliver X, then they don't. and some of you seem contented to just let it slide over and over.

LOL, talk about having little faith in a developer, is it too much to expect that they can keep THEIR OWN SCHEDULE? "hey guys, we're going to communicate more, release some projects, and make a big splash within 2 weeks" - 1 month ago.

"hey guys, we're making some aquisitions, putting out some fires, shifting some paradigms, revolutionizing outside the box, writing millions of lines of code, that's all bye!"

instead, you get mad at ME for internalizing "writing millions of lines of code" as "they've actually written millions of lines of code", and not "they've appropriated millions of lines of code from other libraries". think you're missing the point much?

i'm no longer swayed by their PR copy, it's purposefully ambiguous, and whenever they get backed into the corner of actually having to release something, they just ignore it. happened multiple times so far, and everyone's given them a pass. what a nice kind and tightly-knit community! letting them disappoint without any backlash, you must all be really scared for your investment if you're not willing to call bullshit bullshit.

So far i see 2 sites, octocoin and octohub, 1 has less info than the OP of an ANN thread, and the other is just a bunch of graphics that are spinning in a circle. am i wrong? is there something else i'm missing? this is the sum total of what we have from them. i say "them" when in reality, have we seen any indication of this? "they" said that octocoin was launched with the whole team in zero-G on a parabolic flight, such a claim! you'd think that they'd have some sort of epic photograph demonstrating their camaraderie, no? I mean it is kinda weird when outrageous claims are made over and over and over without ANYTHING to back them up.

why is it that EVERY single time they've had a chance to show us what's up, all we get is more lip service, more smoke and mirrors. all that's tangible from them in 6 months is a 2 minimal info-graphic websites that look like they're made by 1 person, so far that's all i can see this operation is.

care to prove me wrong?

Pulling the fire alarm and spreading negativity certainly isn't the correct action to take if you are invested - based on your recent posts, I guess I just assumed you had exited your position.

I understand you are frustrated with the delays but the devs have even stated the release of Postgresql 9.4 being delayed was one thing holding them back. Major projects are delayed all the time and nobody knows this better than myself. It sucks! These guys face a gargantuan uphill battle now that the entire altcoin market is depressed and the community is frustrated; no denying that. I'm in a similar boat with Murraycoin - most people are here to make a quick buck and nobody likes waiting around for things to happen. The unfortunate aspect of software development these days is the unlimited number of variables and relying on open source projects to hit their ETA only further complicates the accuracy of a timeline. If there is one thing we know for certain it's that these guys don't really respond to negativity; they have a job to do and while I'm sure it's frustrating to them when the community is disappointed the only real solution is to deliver what they have promised. People want them in here hanging out and posting status updates constantly but I'd rather have them dedicating their time to development at this stage. I'm not trying to make excuses for these guys but I'm simply not losing sleep over it. As a developer myself, I know what is constructive and what isn't and creating a big panic hoping that the devs will hurry everything up just to prove you wrong is not constructive. I understand the thought process... but I'm telling you... it doesn't work that way.

You talk about lines of code like you are an expert... but I'm here to tell you... lines of code add up quite fast. Perhaps if they went through all of their code and deleted all references to frameworks, databases, etc and got a line count it would be under millions. Either way, the lines of code argument is pretty weak. Fault them for missing deadlines - I agree they shouldn't give an ETA, miss it, and not explain the situation. That isn't great for community confidence and clearly creates a divide. Keep in mind these guys are software developers and they have not begun doing any marketing. Altcoin people are like cats on a hot tin roof and developers coming from other worlds have no idea what they're getting into. Most developers are used to quietly developing, giving progress updates to their managers, and plugging along until projects are completed. In the altcoin world, that luxury doesn't exist. It's 99% scams, 99% unskilled/lazy developers, and it's all about getting the coin on an exchange so it can be dumped and everyone can move onto the next scam. The altcoin world is pretty seedy and it's not getting better - the best thing these guys could do is separate themselves from it somehow. The only way to really do that is to deliver unique, high-quality products and services.

You act like these guys haven't done anything... but remember when everybody had written them off (including you) when there was the bonus block exploit? It took them a while to release the updated client... everyone was sure they just vanished... people panicked for days. Then suddenly they deliver a completely revamped wallet, the first scrypt coin successfully built on the Bitcoin Core 9.x code, with some slick new styling and a fork to correct the bonus block issue that transitioned flawlessly. Sure they could have just tossed out a half-assed wallet built on the Litecoin source and probably gotten it to market a few days sooner... but they went the extra mile because that's the precedent they wanted to set.

This development team obviously put considerable time into the branding, they forked the code based on community feedback when there was the bonus block exploit, registered SSL certificates on 2 domains, retained their entire premine. If they had no intentions of doing anything with those websites why bother spending the extra $200 on SSL certificates? Not saying it's a big deal... but at least it's one minor detail that instantly puts them in exclusive company when we're talking about altcoin devs. I'm guessing the "CrackCoin" developer didn't buy an SSL certificate. They have divulged portions of their plans... and if they aren't ready, they aren't ready. As elusive as they may be, they're at least consistent. You act like these guys owe you something - why? Thus far, they've gotten nothing out of this. I believe you're putting way too much importance on what they need to do to impress you... but I'm in the camp where the only thing that's going to impress me is when they deliver some quality products and services. You don't want lip service... but you want them to keep posting. If their products aren't ready for market yet there is really no pleasing you. Everywhere along the way, everything I have seen, these guys have demonstrated attention to detail. They have multiple dedicated nodes around the world and, to my knowledge, none of them have had any downtime since launch. Yeah the website is fluff - right now it's probably not worth maintaining until they are ready. I'm working on releasing the new Murraycoin website but until it's ready I have the same boring website up I launched with - it gets the job done.

Perhaps it's easier for me to give them the benefit of the doubt when I've met a couple of these guys and also communicated with members of their team a couple times on conference calls. From my perspective, panic seems absolutely ludicrous. If I were in your position, I could absolutely see myself feeling the same way you do. The bottom line is that if you've been in it for this long why not stick around, relax, and see what happens? If the entire development team died in a plane crash and the community had to take over, we'd still be further ahead than 99% of the other coins. Most coins don't even have the hope of great things to come.

While they have missed their ETAs on various items and have yet to deliver "the goods" we've all been anxiously waiting for... the value has remained relatively stable (compared to all other altcoins, it has remained the most stable since launch) and the basics of the coin itself are sound. OctoCoin has attracted a high caliber community that has stuck together longer than any other during this time span and that alone should count for something. Look at some of the coins Bittrex has added just in the past week:

SativaCoin
OpalCoin
MidasCoin
SterlingCoin
RosCoin
DarkToken
RedOakCoin
DeepCoin
CrackCoin
GlobalBoost-Y

Not to knock on Bittrex because I do enjoy using their exchange and understand they just want to turn a profit... but at this point altcoins are being made a mockery of! SativaCoin?! CrackCoin?! The same people keep churning out the same crap with a new name using the exact same formula and it's been slowly killing altcoins over the past year. The funds are being diluted between all of this crap and it funnels out of the market into the pockets of these devs that continue cranking this stuff out. We know we have something special here in 888 and it's more important than ever to stick together. I've lost interest in altcoins outside of my own coin and OctoCoin and I'm riding them to the finish line.

I'm not interesting in seeking out the pump-and-dump of the week (I'm simply not that desperate nor is it worth my time). I'm not here to "prove you wrong" but I just don't understand your motivation. Why be a jerk? If you don't like what you see then you are free to leave. You're intent on rallying together a mob for a mutiny out of frustration but that does absolutely nothing to move things forward. It's not like people that have recently discovered 888 are going to come check out this thread, see your huge negative rants, and decide to join this community and support this coin. I've found no need to call "bullshit" - I buckled up and I've been along for the ride since day one. Are they over-the-top and elusive? Yes! I think it's awesome! I'm heavily invested in OctoCoin so of course your mental breakdowns frustrate me. PM me and I'll buy everything you have at the current sell price on Bittrex. If you want out that's fine but there is no need to make a big scene. Nobody would blame you for losing your patience as it's completely reasonable. However, there are so many elements here that set OctoCoin apart from everything else that I've stuck around. I've been in this market a while (longer than most) and I know what to look for. I've found it.

Great to see an update. I appreciate the honesty and the improvement in communication.
Oh, and you mentioned Vegas again!!!! Shit yes!!!!

Yea, it's quite the sell wall.
My Octo are safely stored offline, and won't be touching an exchange for quite some time. I wouldn't spend nearly 6 months accumulating to sell for such a small price. I'd rather ride it down to 0. 

Check out the new Foo Fighters album cover:

http://i.imgur.com/9Ppf0eW.jpg

The album, their 8th, was announced on 8/8, has 8 tracks, and was recorded in 8 different cities. Partnership opportunity staring us in the face??

Also, for everybody concerned about the lack of news, I was on a conference call late last week where two of the OctoCoin developers also participated - everything remains on track despite being behind schedule. Some of the necessary paperwork/legal stuff is taking longer than expected (this is unfamiliar territory for financial institutions - we're talking about people who still think free checks when opening a checking account is revolutionary) but they are committed to ensuring there will be no surprise snags down the road. I understand what it's like trying to manage a currency in a bear market when there are so many other responsibilities on your plate. Also, you guys need to realize these guys are approaching this thing a bit differently that most coin devs - they see the coin itself and the distribution as just one part of the equation. The community will rally organically once they begin to produce results and as far I can tell they will have essentially zero competition. Talk is cheap - results are not. I think they have done a great job of building hype and excitement without showing too much of their hand and once these guys have their business rolling and can dedicate themselves fulltime to it, we will see rapid results. If they can create an actual ecosystem with a purpose the impact would be much larger than even all of these big vendors accepting "bitcoin" as payment only to immediately swap it out for fiat - at that point, they're just using bitcoin as an alternative payment processor because they're afraid of the "risk" - until it's treated like a currency it's just sidestep after sidestep. This is bigger than OctoCoin itself - it could prove to be a key piece of the movement in general.

I am as close to being on the inside as it gets without actually being on the inside... and, as I continue to exit my positions in alts, I continue to acquire 888. Everything will be easier to swallow once they roll out even their first project - it isn't going to take much for the trading price to jump up 10x (especially when nothing else of mention is really happening in the boring world of altcoins right now). It's smart to be cautious and smart to be skeptical in this market - they missed their target date and haven't said a word for nearly two weeks - I'm just telling you guys that I have no problem publicly vouching for the OctoCoin team. Just because their marketing doesn't seem to make sense... I assure you there is a method to their madness. It's one of the only alts that I can confidently buy and hold and there is truly nothing else like it.

Thanks to my friend for getting us some Octocoin gear for our son 
He loves boobs and Octocoin 
http://i.imgur.com/4zdWik8.jpg?1

Right... and looking through your post history all you do is complain. You complained about how long the hardfork was taking to implement and the lack of a new wallet... and then we got a seamless hardfork (which is surprisingly rare) that took care of the bonus block exploit, improved the difficulty adjustment formula, and came packaged within a great client built on the Bitcoin Core 0.9.2 source (there are still only 3-4 coins I'm aware of on the 0.9+ source).  

In addition to a great client/source, OctoCoin has a strong and steady network, a mature community, a development team consisting of real developers (two of whom I've personally met), 4 months of well-written updates, a low-key teaser of their "OctoHub" platform (which, let's be honest, the SSL certificates alone probably cost them more than most coin developers spend). How many developers are even still around after 4 months these days?

If you think Steve Jobs took the iPhone from concept to shipping in 4 months you're insane. As a developer myself I understand that quality takes time. People in the crypto world are used to crap; with the possible exception of bitcoin services, are there any altcoin services out there that are both exclusive and of high quality? The security, testing, etc - I, for one, am glad these guys aren't obsessing over hype. They understand that constant hype is ridiculous and they want the product to speak for itself. Going back to your "Steve Jobs" quote, here is a tidbit for you:

Apple started R&D on the iPhone 1 36 months before its release in June 2007. The iPhone 1’s full R&D costs during those 36 months have been estimated at nearly $1.5 billion.

So real artists ship... but in Steve Jobs' case it took 36 months and $1.5 billion before he started shipping. I find it hilarious that you use Steve Jobs, a guy that famously delayed the release of the original Mac OS X desktop nearly 2 years to perfect the UI, as an example to reinforce your point. I don't think anybody believes the winning formula is to rush products to market... and certainly Steve Jobs didn't. If the OctoCoin team meets the ETAs they announced, that means they would be going for conception to "shipping" in about 1/6 the time it took Apple to start shipping the original iPhone. If anything, Steve Jobs would be a great counterexample for the point you are trying to make.

The timeframe seems like an eternity because you haven't seen any altcoins deliver real quality software yet - ever. This is an impatient market but those who have the maturity and patience to ride things out will be rewarded here. I am 100% certain that 888 is a great investment - the only thing stopping me from saying it's the best possible altcoin investment you could make right now is that there may be some other teams out there with great stuff in the works... but I've yet to see anything with this level of potential nor this level of appeal.

Not trying to be defensive (obviously I'm heavily invested in OctoCoin) but even objectively I just don't understand the purpose of your posts. If you are an impatient person, this is clearly not the currency for you. These guys aren't running a chop-shop/pump-and-dump/(insert grift of the week here) and they haven't stuck around for 4 months to make a couple thousand bucks and disappear. However, even for the impatient, 888 has proven some amazing stability - with the exception of only bitcoin, it has been the most stable coin price-wise over the past 4 months. Over the bear altcoin market these past 4 months, I can't find a single altcoin (even if you DCA) that would have been a better investment... and these guys haven't even started scratching the surface.

Nice to see the tees getting close! Thanks to you and joshycoin for putting these together.
What brand of shirt are they? I wear a slim medium or a standard small usually.
I don't want to be a diva, but I'm slimmer, so I don't want a dress.

Also, my wife would love one too eventually, but she could probably get away with a XS or S.
If there are ever infant sizes available let me know, as I have a 3 week old who is dying to wear some Octocoin gear!