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Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟
Hey guys,
Mick here. I'm currently the community manager at the NVO Project - nice to meet you all, lots of you guys know me already.
This was posted in the Telegram chat yesterday. I edited the original a bit, the meanings were not changed though.
(1) Imed tried to remove Ton from the team after collaborating with him for 1 year but Yanni said 'No'.
(2) Imed intentinally took the domain (nvo.io) at the start of the ICO to have monopoly over the team. Also he isolated Ton from both the escrows & developers (zero communication)
(3) Xenio wasn't a finished project since it never worked as intended. Imed & Nik (developer) lied about it to make the ICO more successful. (Can be verified through GitHub & BitcoinTalk)
(4) A couple of weeks back, Imed tried to forge a signature on a document to apply for a visa in Malta to liquidate the Bitcoin since cryptocurrencies of any kind are banned in Algeria.
(5) When Imed was younger, he had troube with Interpol for buying stolen PayPal accounts (via FedEx shipment).
(6) Imed was living in poverty (sleeping on the street) until he met Yanni
(7) Imed is a pathological liar, narcissist with no empathy and a quick temper. (Can be confirmed by those who have talked with him via a video conference)
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It's very likely that Imed uses cocaine. Ton & Community members have noticed that he has talked very quick sometimes.
(9) Imed faked a relationship, meaning being interested in Yanni, only to be involved in this project.
(10) Imed sold DVDs in a company owned by Yanni. Imed's official statement was that he owns the company.
(11) Imed has several criminal records locally in Algeria for street violence
(12) Imed does not really know how Bitcoin works & recently learned how to use a block explorer. He read a lot to play his role as a "CTO" by parroting what he read without a full understanding of the technology.
(13) Imed used Ton's girlfriend's name to register a CloudFlare account without permission.
(14) Imed asked for the passports of employees to make sure that they are afraid of him - in the context of doing a background search.
(15) Imed screwed things up with MaidSafe (can be viewed in the SafeNetwork Forum) - starting a discussion (very strong language) because the MaidSafe CEO ignored Imed.
(16) He has no fear lying to people. He's actually so confident that not a lot of people recognize his lies.
(17) Every phone call (team) he would quickly end the conversation with "I'm busy working" when Imed actually wasn't.
(18) When Imed was angry he talked about murdering people with Yanni. To the outside he was "only joking".
(19) Before Ton removed Imed, they had a call after the NVO Community Manager wasn't responding to Imed's messages. Imed "joked" that the Community Manager would need to bent over (Homosexual Joke)
(20) Ton believes that Imed asked the escrows for their home address to send them "gifts". This was most likely to make sure that if things like this happen, they would be on his side (Confirmation on that one is pending since the call was very shaky). Imed told investors and the team he was friends with the escrows - making sure Ton wouldn't talk to the escrows or get Imed removed from the project.
So reviewing this we are looking at at least 5 criminal acts which just go by like this. Can it really be? That's scary.
Mick here. I'm currently the community manager at the NVO Project - nice to meet you all, lots of you guys know me already.
This was posted in the Telegram chat yesterday. I edited the original a bit, the meanings were not changed though.
(1) Imed tried to remove Ton from the team after collaborating with him for 1 year but Yanni said 'No'.
(2) Imed intentinally took the domain (nvo.io) at the start of the ICO to have monopoly over the team. Also he isolated Ton from both the escrows & developers (zero communication)
(3) Xenio wasn't a finished project since it never worked as intended. Imed & Nik (developer) lied about it to make the ICO more successful. (Can be verified through GitHub & BitcoinTalk)
(4) A couple of weeks back, Imed tried to forge a signature on a document to apply for a visa in Malta to liquidate the Bitcoin since cryptocurrencies of any kind are banned in Algeria.
(5) When Imed was younger, he had troube with Interpol for buying stolen PayPal accounts (via FedEx shipment).
(6) Imed was living in poverty (sleeping on the street) until he met Yanni
(7) Imed is a pathological liar, narcissist with no empathy and a quick temper. (Can be confirmed by those who have talked with him via a video conference)
(
It's very likely that Imed uses cocaine. Ton & Community members have noticed that he has talked very quick sometimes.(9) Imed faked a relationship, meaning being interested in Yanni, only to be involved in this project.
(10) Imed sold DVDs in a company owned by Yanni. Imed's official statement was that he owns the company.
(11) Imed has several criminal records locally in Algeria for street violence
(12) Imed does not really know how Bitcoin works & recently learned how to use a block explorer. He read a lot to play his role as a "CTO" by parroting what he read without a full understanding of the technology.
(13) Imed used Ton's girlfriend's name to register a CloudFlare account without permission.
(14) Imed asked for the passports of employees to make sure that they are afraid of him - in the context of doing a background search.
(15) Imed screwed things up with MaidSafe (can be viewed in the SafeNetwork Forum) - starting a discussion (very strong language) because the MaidSafe CEO ignored Imed.
(16) He has no fear lying to people. He's actually so confident that not a lot of people recognize his lies.
(17) Every phone call (team) he would quickly end the conversation with "I'm busy working" when Imed actually wasn't.
(18) When Imed was angry he talked about murdering people with Yanni. To the outside he was "only joking".
(19) Before Ton removed Imed, they had a call after the NVO Community Manager wasn't responding to Imed's messages. Imed "joked" that the Community Manager would need to bent over (Homosexual Joke)
(20) Ton believes that Imed asked the escrows for their home address to send them "gifts". This was most likely to make sure that if things like this happen, they would be on his side (Confirmation on that one is pending since the call was very shaky). Imed told investors and the team he was friends with the escrows - making sure Ton wouldn't talk to the escrows or get Imed removed from the project.
So reviewing this we are looking at at least 5 criminal acts which just go by like this. Can it really be? That's scary.
Hello Mike, we have no reasons to believe you. Those are just empty claims without support, I can literally pull the same out of my ass about any side of this project, including your own self, your neighbor's dog or my own mother. Writing bullet points and trying to sound serious doesn't make things true. It will never be really clear what happened, to me all the people that support any of the developers or take heavy sides are part of the whole fiasco. After all, you are paid by one of the sides, you've been put as a community manager by the same person that lied to us for months and had zero grasp on the project.
Most of the claims you made come from your boss, they are empty and have zero value. Surely, they could make us think and consider the possibility of them true, but I have no reason to trust your boss that hasn't been upfront and refused transparency for a year with stupid excuses. It's sad to see a rather sensible man, yourself, be blinded by money and sweet talk. This is money speaking, this isn't truth or facts speaking until proven.
And proving such claims is extremely hard if not impossible.
I am sorry, but as far as I am concerned, anything that comes from either of the sides is full of shit. The way your boss handled the downfall was enough for a lot of us to see that he is about as untrustworthy as the person you are trying to attack.
Refund and forget.
Cheers.
Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟
Lauda, should we expect you to proceed this week, how is it looking?
I'm not asking out of curiosity, more like, as it turns out, this refund might actually really help me with a small crisis at home so I hope things can be finalized this week since according to what you said, the vote should be finished any day now.
I'm not asking out of curiosity, more like, as it turns out, this refund might actually really help me with a small crisis at home so I hope things can be finalized this week since according to what you said, the vote should be finished any day now.
Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟
You want them to change the terms of the vote? You do realize the community is on edge and votes are still coming in?
Calm your tits, he/she only said what I suggested is possible. There is no change in the process, the vote is unlikely to reach those thresholds I spoke of because the activity is low, but currently the majority of the votes (weighted) are for a refund. We are talking about 4:1 ratio with more than a week passing, the community isn't on edge at all.
What are you on about?
I was simply referring to a point where the vote has crossed the minimal threshold, then there is no need to wait until the end since it's just impossible for it to turn around, sort of like they announce election winners during the vote counting process if it reaches a threshold. There is no need to count beyond that threshold.
But this probably won't happen cause the activity is just low. Currently it's more than clear where things are going, a turn around is just extremely unlikely. But it has to be waited, principally speaking.
Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟
Precisely. But with NVO it was a slow painful diarrhea. I'm not sure we will ever learn the truth about some inside stories, just waiting on the refund.
Issues are not uncommon; read into the MobileGO link that I've posted here.Lauda, what are the criteria for you to proceed with the vote results? It seemed that the weighted vote is more or less decided, but I guess there is some official time to follow. Feels like any day now, but no new information on the horizon coming.
Criteria is mostly time. The vote was planned for a duration of two weeks; 1 week to go.I'll look it up. Ok, so time it is. I'll just leave this story for a week. By the way if a certain threshold is crossed, shouldn't you just finalize the vote? Since there is no mathematical chance for it to turn around kind of thing?
Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟
A bitcoin core developer has already told me they could have farted out what has been developed here for less than $10k in the space of 1 month and that's a while back so lets say just over 1.5 BTC at the time quoted.
Precisely. But with NVO it was a slow painful diarrhea. I'm not sure we will ever learn the truth about some inside stories, just waiting on the refund.
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Lauda, what are the criteria for you to proceed with the vote results? It seemed that the weighted vote is more or less decided, but I guess there is some official time to follow. Feels like any day now, but no new information on the horizon coming.
Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟
There's no need for articles when you seen the team have spend, according to them, about 500 BTC on development. In a year. The product of which is a buggy but beautiful wallet that is enough to secure the milestone. Anyone with some sense of software development can tell you what a load of bullshit that is, people without programming experience are already super skeptical of the amount of money spent compared to the work delivered.
Can you imagine how the progress made looks from the eyes of a full-stack developer? "Pathetic." isn't enough, it's worse than that.
I wish I could just claim this is an exit scam, but I can't be sure. Part of me hopes this is an exit-scam, otherwise it means they were completely incompetent. And that I fell for it.
Can you imagine how the progress made looks from the eyes of a full-stack developer? "Pathetic." isn't enough, it's worse than that.
I wish I could just claim this is an exit scam, but I can't be sure. Part of me hopes this is an exit-scam, otherwise it means they were completely incompetent. And that I fell for it.
Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟
Wait, what? A refund in fiat currency is that a joke? I hope it's some misunderstanding.
If the value of BTC collapsed during the past one year instead of increasing, would you still give us back $0.5 per token?
You wouldn't. Because it's just not possible and reveals how flawed this logic is.
I didn't gave you dollars, or euros, or Turkish Lira. I invested a specific amount of bitcoins, not dollars, and I expect a partial refund in bitcoins. While I understand a 100% refund is impossible and money was spent (stolen) by the developers, I don't understand why would such a flawed logic for a refund be used. It's literally stealing from people, the community gave this project a specific amount of bitcoins and they were hold in an escrow for our protection, now whatever's left should be redistributed if a refund is proceeded with.
I hope this is a misunderstanding and people came up false accusations again.
If the value of BTC collapsed during the past one year instead of increasing, would you still give us back $0.5 per token?
You wouldn't. Because it's just not possible and reveals how flawed this logic is.
I didn't gave you dollars, or euros, or Turkish Lira. I invested a specific amount of bitcoins, not dollars, and I expect a partial refund in bitcoins. While I understand a 100% refund is impossible and money was spent (stolen) by the developers, I don't understand why would such a flawed logic for a refund be used. It's literally stealing from people, the community gave this project a specific amount of bitcoins and they were hold in an escrow for our protection, now whatever's left should be redistributed if a refund is proceeded with.
I hope this is a misunderstanding and people came up false accusations again.
Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟
Can we get an official update on where things are going currently, just roughly speaking. Is more time needed, are more things being collected as information. A lot of things have been said, but the end of the day there's still a bigger question waiting for its final words.
Can we guys (heh), Lauda, expect a decision by Friday? Does that seem plausible?
Can we guys (heh), Lauda, expect a decision by Friday? Does that seem plausible?
Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟
The holders (community) will vote (weighted) on where they want the project to go. Neither you nor Ton are currently in the position to make this call.
A 72 hours time frame for such a mess will just leave the fate of the project in the hands of a handful of people that hold a large amount of assets. In my opinion if not enough people are represented for the vote a decision that goes towards either of the sides shouldn't be taken, because it's going to be based on what a few whales voted. That's just my opinion and it comes from the fact that a lot of people are not checking the project for updates because the developers have been really poor with communications and deadlines. Bigger holders are more active and interested in this, so they will make moves. Good luck mobilizing the rest 5000 people in three days.
People should just be allowed to decide who they support again by reinvesting if they want to, why this hasn't been considered. Didn't we took enough damage from the founders ignorance and lack of generic approach to the project? I mean, you've seen what a year of progress has brought.
A lot of smaller holders haven't even heard about the project being torn down to pieces. It's going to take several hundreds of people to overthrow a decision made by any of the top 5 whales. I don't think people will mobilize quick enough to react and make the vote fair. Don't expect more than 30% voter turnout, will be curious to see if I am wrong. There's usually systems in place to protect for low voting turnout, is there going to be anything like this here or this is final?
Because if it's final, 2-3 people will decide the project's fate since it's weighted. And it's fair to be weighted since they've put most money in it, that's fine, but I am arguing that there isn't enough time and it has been communicated poorly. At least an extend in time?
Also none of the sides presented any information to help us decide, as far as I am concerned, no one has provided any proof. Just claims against each other.