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Re: BTC-XMR Instant Swap Project (Looking for team members)
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pbateman1
on 08/08/2021, 01:08:24 UTC
the prospect of the project looks good, i have used unstoppableswap.net in the last few days but their maximum amount to swap is too low, if this project can become a reality and all the queries here ironed out, then it would be great, the only thing I would help out is testing and community support.

Thanks for the feedback and support. That's one big thing I've noticed. Limits. We don't like those around here.
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Re: BTC-XMR Instant Swap Project (Looking for team members)
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pbateman1
on 08/08/2021, 01:06:40 UTC
Now that XMR.to has shut down, we feel a need to fill the gap. There are not any (truly) trusted third parties to facilitate this in a fashion that does not require KYC.
Instead of (truly) trusted third parties I prefer to have truly trustless option.
Before going any further with making your BTC-XMR instant swap, first check out UnstoppableSwap website, that is made for exchanging Bitcoin for Monero trustlessly|using Atomic Swap protocol.
There is no central authority that is holding any coins, there is no registration and no personal data is needed for swapping coins, but this project is still in testnet phase.
How is your BTC-XMR instant swap different from this project?

I am looking for a designer to execute our vision aesthetically, and someone who has experience in web development/blockchain.
The designer should have experience creating web design that fits a modern aesthetic that is simple yet functional. We will be needing graphics, but not many. Possibly some animated buttons too.
If you need to hire some developer or designer you will have better chance to find someone if you make a new post in Marketplace Services section:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0

We will also be seeking feedback from the community in the future regarding any fees that will be charged, features, and such other things. If you feel like you'd want to be apart of the team, please PM me, reply, or shoot an email to chainswapinc@protonmail.com.
I am willing to help with testing of your website and I am sure few other forum members will join.




Even though that site appears to be trustless, the highest limit I could find is .1 BTC. I don't think that is very acceptable. Other than that- I have no comment on their product. Like I said, I'm developing something I would want to use myself.

We will definitely let the community know when beta is live. I expect this to be fairly soon.
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Re: BTC-XMR Instant Swap Project (Looking for team members)
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pbateman1
on 08/08/2021, 01:00:31 UTC
no KYC (under 99.99% of circumstances)
I've seen this go wrong on so many sites. Will you at least publish what triggers the remaining 0.01%?
Think a Binance (2019) or KuCoin hack scenario. If any coins that we know are stolen come onto our platform, we will return them to their owner.
This is tricky! First of all, it's something completely different than what you just said (asking for KYC). But worse, fungibility is the basis of any currency:
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if notes could be returned to their original owner after a theft, it would damage confidence in currency and it would be bad for business, the currency would become unusable because every time you received the paper note you would have to look in the newspaper whether it was reported stolen
And you'll have to trust Binance or KuCoin to speak the truth. I prefer the mantra "don't trust, verify".

There's another problem: if you're anonymous, what are you going to do with KYC information? How are you going to store it, and how can you prove you follow privacy laws? You can't demand customers to identify themselves while you're anonymous. And if you wouldn't be anonymous, you couldn't offer this service without KYC.



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We are talking about super extreme scenarios here. There will be no KYC, thus we will not have a place to store it. I don't care if you run 100BTC 100x through my site, we won't stop you. Ever.
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Re: BTC-XMR Instant Swap Project (Looking for team members)
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pbateman1
on 08/08/2021, 00:57:30 UTC
Why would I use something like your site when I can just use swaps built into wallets, such as the Exodus one:



Changelly (https://changelly.com) also works really well for me (no KYC, less than 30 mins to complete)

I have personally been KYC'd multiple times on Exodus. The ridiculous part is that their exchange partner asked for proof of where the funds CAME from. Someone sent the crypto to me, thus I was not capable of such an action. They then told me to ask that person for proof. Total privacy violation.

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Re: BTC-XMR Instant Swap Project (Looking for team members)
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pbateman1
on 30/07/2021, 21:13:17 UTC
Now that XMR.to has shut down, we feel a need to fill the gap.
Have you seen this project?

No, I haven't looked into any potential competitors too much. I'm implementing the version of this concept that I, as someone who uses this functionality to quite a large tune, would want ot experience.

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There are not any (truly) trusted third parties to facilitate this in a fashion that does not require KYC.
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True. But just like I wouldn't trust the project I linked above, why would I trust your project with any substantial amount?

Like I said, we have to gain trust through our actions over a long period of time. There is no other way to do so.

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no KYC (under 99.99% of circumstances)
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I've seen this go wrong on so many sites. Will you at least publish what triggers the remaining 0.01%?

Think a Binance (2019) or KuCoin hack scenario. If any coins that we know are stolen come onto our platform, we will return them to their owner.

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We are using an API to source liquidity from our accounts
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Does that mean you'll use other exchanges to make the trade? If so, how can you be sure they won't freeze a transaction?

No we won't be using an exchange to facilitate transactions. There may be the need to adjust liquidity via an exchange, but user transactions are not going to be routed through an exchange.


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I've also decided that the max transaction size will be 100BTC/equivalent in the other asset.
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That's 4 million dollars. That's quite a lot of trust to ask without any reputation while being completely anonymous. I've seen sites pull exit scams for a lot less.
It could also be large enough to adjust the market price on whatever exchange your API uses.

We're not asking anyone for 100BTC, the option is there for people to freely use. I stand behind my word. If nobody utilizes that limit, so be it. We aren't concerned with *potentially* stealing 100BTC from someone for a one time gain. There is more to gain by doing millions a day in volume over a long period of time.

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I think this high limit is super important because it will give financial freedom and privacy to those who seek it.
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I've seen people lose their life savings to a single site. I can only recommend not to trust anyone with more than you can afford to lose.

Totally agreed. Never send any third party more than anything you're willing to lose. Mistakes happen, and people are inherently dishonest.

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There's really no good option as far as no-kyc instant swaps (especially large ones) for the pair go anymore.
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There is of course a reason for that: exchanges that aren't completely anonymous have to follow regulations, and authorities are cracking down on them.

They're under big scrutiny due to their size. I don't think we'll have that issue (at least at first)

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Now that Binance has restricted unverified accounts to 0.6BTC in withdrawals a day, things have become worse.
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Actually, it's 0.06BTC (and about a week to go before the 2BTC limit gets lowered).
My bad-thought it was .6, wow that's really bad.

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I am also considering letting the general public earn a part of the spread by depositing with us and providing liquidity if the site gains enough traction.
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I've only seen "bankroll funding" on casinos, I don't think I've ever seen it on an exchange. But again: you'll need to earn a lot of trust first.

Hopefully one day!

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Good luck Smiley

Thanks!
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Re: BTC-XMR Instant Swap Project (Looking for team members)
by
pbateman1
on 30/07/2021, 20:57:29 UTC
Now that XMR.to has shut down, we feel a need to fill the gap.
Have you seen this project?

No, we haven't seen that project. To be honest, we aren't really looking at other projects. I am implementing what I WOULD want as a user experience, coming from someone who has exchanged millions of dollars in Monero over the past year.

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There are not any (truly) trusted third parties to facilitate this in a fashion that does not require KYC. True.
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But just like I wouldn't trust the project I linked above, why would I trust your project with any substantial amount?

Trust is something any party has to garner through action over a long period of time. The way I see it, we gain more by operating on millions of dollars of volume/day, as opposed to *potentially* stealing up to 100BTC for a one time gain that would totally ruin our reputation forever.

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no KYC (under 99.99% of circumstances)
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I've seen this go wrong on so many sites. Will you at least publish what triggers the remaining 0.01%?

In the event that funds are clearly/demonstrably stolen. Think 2019 Binance hack, or KuCoin hack. We would be watching out for those coins and return any of them if they came onto our platform.

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We are using an API to source liquidity from our accounts
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Does that mean you'll use other exchanges to make the trade? If so, how can you be sure they won't freeze a transaction?

No, it does not. We will not directly be using an exchange to facilitate transactions. Of course we may need to use an exchange to adjust liquidity, but I expect to have enough not to do this on a frequent basis.

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I've also decided that the max transaction size will be 100BTC/equivalent in the other asset.
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That's 4 million dollars. That's quite a lot of trust to ask without any reputation while being completely anonymous. I've seen sites pull exit scams for a lot less.
It could also be large enough to adjust the market price on whatever exchange your API uses.

It is. Why trust anyone? Once again, trust is something you gain through behavior over a period of time. If nobody wants to do large transactions, that's fine. The capability is there, that's what matters. I'm paranoid, so if I were on a platform like this I'd do like 10 transactions of 10 BTC haha. That's at first at least.

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I think this high limit is super important because it will give financial freedom and privacy to those who seek it.
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I've seen people lose their life savings to a single site. I can only recommend not to trust anyone with more than you can afford to lose.

I have as well. I recommend the same. If you put your life savings onto a website that you have no knowledge, or at least personal relationship with... well that's incredibly foolish risk IMO. But we don't plan to mishand someone's life savings if it were to ever come into our hands. $5000 could be someone's life savings, so I take every exchange seriously.

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There's really no good option as far as no-kyc instant swaps (especially large ones) for the pair go anymore.
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There is of course a reason for that: exchanges that aren't completely anonymous have to follow regulations, and authorities are cracking down on them.

Yeah. They are. I don't think we'll have those issues. Time will tell though.

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Now that Binance has restricted unverified accounts to 0.6BTC in withdrawals a day, things have become worse.
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Actually, it's 0.06BTC (and about a week to go before the 2BTC limit gets lowered).

My bad- thought it was 0.6- 0.06 is BAD.

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I am also considering letting the general public earn a part of the spread by depositing with us and providing liquidity if the site gains enough traction.
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I've only seen "bankroll funding" on casinos, I don't think I've ever seen it on an exchange. But again: you'll need to earn a lot of trust first.

Hopefully one day!
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Re: Can BTC exist without Fiat?
by
pbateman1
on 30/07/2021, 08:11:49 UTC
The real question is whether or not world governments would allow for such a scenario. Kleptocracy is more common than one might think, and sometimes comes in tandem with plutocracy. What's unique about the most powerful government, the United States, is that it is a very different form of kleptocracy than history has ever seen. Look at every store of value/means of transacting and we see that governments have always seized the predominant technology for this at one point or another. Think the 1930s, the US gov't seized mass amount of gold and silver, also Prodrazvyorstka in the Soviet Union.

In theory BTC could exist without fiat, but then government would lose control. Unless they owned a 51% interest in mining that is, which is technically feasible given the resources available although not likely because they know what would happen in that case.

Technically speaking, BTC would be better off as an underlying store of value for a much speedier system layered on top. Kind of how gold backed the paper dollar, even though most of it was in vaults in New York/Kentucky, not in hand. BTC is digitally "heavy", just how gold is physically heavy and not easily moved en masse. The problem is, that requires trusting a third party. So someone would have to come up with a trustless way to implement that scenario. Ideally, this system would be cryptographically secure, but so speedy that the security of payment is as fast as a Visa transaction, or even better, me handing you cash.

So the answer is yes. But would it be allowed?
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Re: Good ideas to implement Multi-sig in a a website?
by
pbateman1
on 30/07/2021, 06:54:24 UTC
⭐ Merited by LoyceV (4)
For escrow purposes, I don't think multisig is the correct solution. Users may lose/mishandle keys. At the end of the day, the site needs to sign the tx anyways. So you could prevent the transaction from ever taking place anyways. Also, many users may be deterred by the additional complexity. You need to garner trust through reliable, logic action.

As for general security, I can't imagine multisig being a practical solution for regular operation/facilitating transactions. For a cold wallet of unused coin, maybe. As long as you handle site security properly, you needn't worry about a malicious actor compromising funds.

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BTC-XMR Instant Swap Project (Looking for partners)
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pbateman1
on 30/07/2021, 06:08:00 UTC
⭐ Merited by LoyceV (4) ,ETFbitcoin (2) ,dkbit98 (1) ,OgNasty (1)
Hey everybody,

Founder of your favorite future BTC-XMR swap site here! (Name to be revealed soon, we think it's catchy). A little about me: I have a background in traditional finance, but took an interest in crypto around 2015. I've been enamored by technology my whole life, and I am fluent in most things needed to venture into such a project, always learning though. I have been using crypto ever since, but have never felt the need to get involved and build something. Until now.

Now that XMR.to has shut down, we feel a need to fill the gap. As the title states, I am looking for candidates who feel they have something to add/have experience in the relevant fields that find this project interesting. We are working on an instant, no KYC (under 99.99% of circumstances) swap site for BTC to Monero, and vice versa. Thus far, everything has been done among the initial team of 3 people that I chose, I've been stalking this forum for a while and feel there may be individuals on here who could greatly contribute.

The primary concept of the website is complete, and we have been working hard on our backend. We are using an API to source liquidity from our accounts to facilitate the trade/transfer upon sufficient network confirmation. This will make it one of the fastest swap sites, if not the fastest, because the withdrawal would be initiated within 15~ or less mins in most cases.

The way things are set up, I think we should be able to manage up to $10m~ a day in volume as of now. We hope to grow to the point where I'll have to accomodate for more. I've also decided that the max transaction size will be 100BTC. I think this limit is super important because it will give financial freedom and privacy to those who seek it. We will be able to fulfill anything larger with a white glove, OTC solution. There's really no good options for no-kyc instant swaps (especially large ones) for the pair anymore. Now that Binance has restricted unverified accounts to 0.6BTC in withdrawals a day, things have become worse.

I am are looking for a designer to execute our vision aesthetically, and someone who has experience in web development/blockchain.
The designer should have experience creating web design that fit a modern aesthetic that is simple yet functional. We will be needing graphics, but not many. Possibly some animated buttons.

On the development end, I am looking for someone familiar with BTC/XMR. This includes blockchain, programmatic access in order to interface with our back end, key management, Monero CLI, Bitcoin Core RPC, and more.

We will also be seeking feedback from the community in the future regarding any fees that will be charged, features, and such other things.

-PB