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Re: Trump Fills Stadiums; Bush Fills Banquet Halls
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peterson33
on 22/08/2015, 11:01:26 UTC
I fail to see Trump slapping anyone into obscurity with his false promises and his gross ignorance on so many fronts. Saying he's ending birth right citizenship while being clueless on what the 14th explicitly says, puts him at the top of the heap for the best bs candidate for the GOP;http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lessons-for-trump-from-a-14-yr-old-girl-509101635878
I like the fact Trump suggested a war with Mexico. Every illegal alien criminal in the US should be snuffed.
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Re: Trump Fills Stadiums; Bush Fills Banquet Halls
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peterson33
on 22/08/2015, 10:51:14 UTC
Seemingly the 46th P.O.T.U.S. will be Mr.Trump.
His skyrocketing success is amazing.
No one has any chance against him.

Donald Trump is filling up stadiums while Jeb Bush can barely fill the banquet room at the Best Western

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI4i48kNo6A&feature=youtu.be


I don't think anyone who actually makes a living studying presidential politics counts on Trump being the next president of the United States. He's a novelty and attracts the Sheeple like a nasty wreck on the highway attracts rubberneckers
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Re: BiPolarBob's Tell-A-Joke Round #1 (Prize: 0.12345 btc)
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peterson33
on 22/08/2015, 10:07:13 UTC
A few days after Christmas, a mother was working in the kitchen listening to her young son playing with his new electric train in the living room. She heard the train stop and her son said, "All of you sons of bitches who want off, get the hell off now, cause this is the last stop! And all of you sons of bitches who are getting on, get your asses in the train, cause we're going down the tracks." The mother went nuts and told her son, "We don't use that kind of language in this house. Now I want you to go to your room and you are to stay there for TWO HOURS. When you come out, you may play with your train, but I want you to use nice language." Two hours later, the son comes out of the bedroom and resumes playing with his train. Soon the train stopped and the mother heard her son say, "All passengers who are disembarking from the train, please remember to take all of your belongings with you. We thank you for riding with us today and hope your trip was a pleasant one. We hope you will ride with us again soon." She hears the little boy continue, "For those of you just boarding, we ask you to stow all of your hand luggage under your seat. Remember, there is no smoking on the train. We hope you will have a pleasant and relaxing journey with us today." As the mother began to smile, the child added, "For those of you who are pissed off about the two hour delay, please see the bitch in the kitchen."
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 18:50:59 UTC
Nice straw man you've got there.
LOL, we can always count on you to dodge the questions that show the complete lack of logic and weakness of your position.

The reason you dodge is self evident.
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 18:49:27 UTC
That's my objection to min wage laws too. Pay x dollars or we will initiate force against you. Complete violation of the non-aggression principle.
So I take it you object to laws regulating pollution, minimal safety standards, overtime laws, child labor, beating your workers, and slave labor as well? All of which involve requirements which can involve the initiation of force.
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 18:41:45 UTC
your question was silly

why would a salesperson ask me to pay him/her half unless of course they wanted equity or a larger variable comp plan?

With respect to 2 people "off the street", that's a nice hypothetical but does not apply to my market sector. I look for people who bring experience and market knowledge.
I can see it will be the latter.
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 18:37:34 UTC
If the minimum wage rises marginally above inflation then of course it won't result in unemployment as rising prices, offset rising wages and therefore it's hard to argue against it. The problem come when you have a hike in the minimum wage, like the proposal to raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour. However there can still be some problems say the economy is in recession, and there's a fall in demand. You have to options, reduce wages or cut jobs. In the UK wages were quite flexible during the great recession and so offset a fall in jobs. In the US unemployment rose to a higher level than in the UK. Reducing wages is probably better than cutting jobs, but if your workers are on a minimum wage then there's no flexibility.
My take is that it would ignore the laws of economics to say that any change in the MW would have no effect on MW employment.

On the other hand, economics also recognizes the concept of demand elasticity -- the fact that for some goods a small change in price has a big effect on demand, while on others, a large change in price only has a small effect on demand.

The demand for low price labor seems to be fairly inelastic -- that is, an increase in the price of labor (e.g. the MW) has a moderately smaller effect on demand for low end labor.

Thus, for example, we have seen periods (e.g. the mid 1990s) of significant MW increases with little or no apparent effect on MW employment. However, there is certainly a level where the higher cost will have a greater effect on employment.
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 18:36:34 UTC
I have no $50k salespeople, it's more than double that.
Good for you. Care to answer my question, or do you intend to continue to dodge it for obvious reasons?
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 18:05:03 UTC
Notice that I did not say "all studies"? Thanks for those 6 examples. Here's a lot more of them over the past 50 years:

http://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/c876c468-ffca-47ed-9468-7193d734bde9/50-years-of-research-on-the-minimum-wage---february-15-1995.pdf

Well a blatant diversion and dodge attempt. What a surprise.

Notice I did not ask you to prove that "all studies" should increasing MW increases unemployment. I asked to prove your claim that "most studies" say this, as you claimed.

And that Republican piece from 1995 is the best you can come up with? Again, no surprise.

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The employment effect of the minimum wage is one of the most studied topics in all of economics. This report examines the most recent wave of this research –roughly since 2000–to determine the best current estimates of the impact of increases in the minimum wage on the employment prospects of low-wage workers. The weight of that evidence points to little or no employment response to modest increases in the minimum wage.
http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage-2013-02.pdf
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 17:55:49 UTC
Why do most studies on the topic disagree with you? Does that ever raise any red flags in your mind? It should.
Why Does the Minimum Wage Have No Discernible Effect on Employment?
http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage-2013-02.pdf
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 17:55:07 UTC
Why do most studies on the topic disagree with you? Does that ever raise any red flags in your mind? It should.
The Most Rigorous Research Shows Minimum Wage Increases Do Not Reduce Employment
http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/pages/job-loss
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 17:54:33 UTC
Why do most studies on the topic disagree with you? Does that ever raise any red flags in your mind? It should.
The evidence is clear: increasing the minimum wage doesn't cost jobs
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/11/the-evidence-is-clear-increasing-the-minimum-wage-doesnt-cause-unemployment
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 17:53:50 UTC
Why do most studies on the topic disagree with you? Does that ever raise any red flags in your mind? It should.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.
http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 17:52:38 UTC
Why do most studies on the topic disagree with you? Does that ever raise any red flags in your mind? It should.
Raising the Minimum Wage Boosts Growth and Does Not Cause Unemployment
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-pacitti/raising-the-minimum-wage-_3_b_7152976.html
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 17:51:19 UTC
Why do most studies on the topic disagree with you? Does that ever raise any red flags in your mind? It should.
Research Shows Minimum Wage Increases Do Not Cause Job Loss

http://www.businessforafairminimumwage.org/news/00135/research-shows-minimum-wage-increases-do-not-cause-job-loss
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 17:50:41 UTC
Why do most studies on the topic disagree with you? Does that ever raise any red flags in your mind? It should.
Can you prove most studies conclude this? There are certainly a lot of them that conclude the opposite of your claim.
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 17:43:19 UTC
That's also what I meant. Any person is worth whatever someone else is willing to pay them.

Employees and their time is worth what the market determines.
And that, of course, can be a *lot* different that the value they contribute in creating goods and services.

When there is an oversupply of workers, unless there is some other means of setting price (wages), the market sets their wages lower, and the owners reap costs savings and greater profit.

Which is basically what we've been seeing over the past three decades.
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 17:42:46 UTC
for me it's all of the above. A developer who allows me to introduce products in less time than other developers is valuable to me.

A salesperson who brings in good numbers is compensated well for their success. Those successful salsepeople then allow me to hire good developers so we can create better products thus making it easier to sell and the cycle continues.

But, that all began with a dream (mine) and risking EVERYTHING and getting the product and market right. If I was wrong, then there would be no salespeople as I was the initial salesperson. There would be no development "team" as I could not initially afford them.

I hold all accountable and don't measure by hours worked. If I make a mistake and hire a person with a poor work ethic, I quickly release them. I owe it to myself, to my shareholders and employees (who also have options) and to my customers.

I can't have price increases to compensate for lazy employees (this isn't the govt). I can't have lost revenue due to lazy employees which then affects the performers.

I'm not in a sector where I have min wage employees but a fair argument is that if min wage increases by 40%, should I increase wages by 40% of all of my employees? How do I tell them that they are now only worth 3x min wage as opposed to 4x or more? If I compensate for the min wage increase and give a proportionate increase across the board, how do I determine which employee(s) I lay off in order to free up the cash flow to hand out the pay raises?

You see, a magic pot of money does not come my way the first day/week/month/quarter/year after a wage increase. I have a finite cash flow and must manage it.

I am positive 100% that retail stores and other min wage type employers have the same concern that a pot of money does not arrive the day/week/month/quarter that min wage increases and that they would need to compensate for the cash flow impact.

So you're saying if you have two equal sales man, and one wants $50k and the other will work for $25k, you're going to hire the $50k one?

If not, what are you trying to say that is different than my post?
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 17:28:48 UTC
Businesses pay their employees what their time to the business is worth. Pay too little, the quality of the individual employee goes down, pay higher wages and the quality of the applicants goes up, along with the productivity of the company (providing that it's managed correctly)

I would love to have the guys who work under me and who I couldn't do without to get paid the maximum amount that we can afford, guess what? They already do. Anymore and our bottom line (profits for the LIV's out there) will begin to suffer.
If our profits fall then so does the chance of our company expanding and hiring more people.

If we paid too little, our competition wouldn't have a hard time attracting our employees to work for them.

The greatest myth about the minimum wage among the majority of it's supporters is that every business owner sleeps on a king size mattress stuffed with $100 bills because he/she won't pay their employees a "fair living wage"

Minimum wage is a political ploy that decreases prosperity and drives inflation, that in turn creates more dependant on the government voters (guess who they vote for?)

It's OK though, Hillary Clinton is out there campaigning for "the little guy" and will soon make it all alright by taxing the "rich" (unless they bought her for protection)
I don't think that is the case, as illustrated by your post. Businesses pay their employees what they have to based on the market supply and demand, not based on what they contribute to the worth of the business.
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Re: Minimum wage.
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peterson33
on 21/08/2015, 17:15:02 UTC
the concept that all jobs should provide a "living wage" again becomes subjective. Who gets to define what is a "living wage"

One can try and say the poverty level but someone needs to put meat on the bone. Does a living wage mean a car less than 5 years old for each driver?
Does it mean a separate bedroom for each family member?

Must all TVs be at least 42 inches?

should they have air conditioning?

If they have children, should their salary be increased for every child they choose to have?

In other words, the person selling you tickets at the theater who has 3 children should be paid a lot more than the 16 year old teenager. Would that not be "fair" and provide the "living wage" ?
Most companies will pay the minimum wage if there is profit to be made. No profit = no businesses or jobs.

They will obviously make less profit when min wage goes up but can adjust prices to compensate. If the min wage went up so high as to eliminate profit they would close.

The story we keep on hearing though is that less profit = closed businesses. Which is nonsense. If you can prove that business would lose all profit from a rise in min wage then you have a point.