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Re: sgminer: Baikal Giant X10 / N / B - Open Source - Confirmed OC Giant B!
- No asic mods req'd to add those algos i.e. X10 has always had the ability
Imagine the people/group who reversed engineered the X10 since it first came out, mining all in the background. $$$$$$$$ multiple folds.
This is very risky, considering previous asic experiences, this is not worth it.
Yup, they are probably holding out on Groestl from the X10, so they can get sales for the BK-G28. Once they get enough sales, then they MAYBE release Groestl for the X10 later on. Remember, when they release NIST5 for the X10, it was probably the most profitable for like just like a day or 2, because everyone switch to it. Then it wasn't profitable as other algos anymore. This will be the same fate as Groestl.
Also remember, when first buying X10 when it was released, BTC was near all time high last year around November/December, so don't be expecting high profit returns this time around.
Lastly BK-G28 has all the same algos as X10, so all the algos will be saturated in increased hashrate and difficulties and profits lower for everyone not matter what.
This won't be a smart buy at this time of the market because the efficiency isn't that big of a jump compared to the X10 from Giant+, but then again, there will always be people buying ASIC no matter what anyone says.
This looks interesting: https://store.mineority.io/sqrl/cvp13/
hold on , i suspect some other driver files are missing for the fpga chip. since i always test it on PC with fpga development kit installed.
I will upload the file to share drive and share a link with you. sorry for trouble setting it up! i didn't realize would be that hard, will figure out a way to straight out the process
I will upload the file to share drive and share a link with you. sorry for trouble setting it up! i didn't realize would be that hard, will figure out a way to straight out the process
Tip: You should install a fresh copy of windows and start a setup guide from there, noting every thing you install/did to get your board running. It will help a lot of others once they purchase your board. Or else, you will have tons of questions from people.
Group buy will open up soon. In my own code it is a one line change to support the XUPVVP-VU9 but I am also supporting the XUPVVP-VU13. These cards have many advantages over the Xilinx cards (30% and 80% faster, default water-cooling, plus dynamic voltage control and automated reboot capability). My rig is made of Xilinx cards because that has been all that was available, but my next rig will be Bittware cards for sure.
30% and 80% faster? That's a pretty big bump in speed. Hope it doesn't cost an arm and leg.
The thing that threw me off instantly was the website. Like really, you create your own FPGA, yet can't even throw in your own website/domain? Piggy backing off https://www.webasyst.com/cloud/ means that you aren't really in it for the long haul or just want something up quick and easy for show to dump later. Even Baikal has their own domain/website and we know how well they are in their communication... lol
If I was truly evil, I can create a product and website easily with video that looks like it's running from a classic Atari game and offer crypto payment, bank transfer, and paypal to insure confidence/safety in people.
Lets say 1500 people bought it, 1200 people paid with paypal, and 300 people paid crypto just because they want to use crypto or their funds are tied in crypto.
If there's a chance if that it does turn vaporware, those 1200 people who paid with paypal gets their money back, no problem for both parties. Owner doesn't care, cause 300 people paid in crypto, so win-win.
Now time to shutdown generic website and move onto next project.
Then again, I could be all wrong, this is just how I see it. For now....
If I was truly evil, I can create a product and website easily with video that looks like it's running from a classic Atari game and offer crypto payment, bank transfer, and paypal to insure confidence/safety in people.
Lets say 1500 people bought it, 1200 people paid with paypal, and 300 people paid crypto just because they want to use crypto or their funds are tied in crypto.
If there's a chance if that it does turn vaporware, those 1200 people who paid with paypal gets their money back, no problem for both parties. Owner doesn't care, cause 300 people paid in crypto, so win-win.
Now time to shutdown generic website and move onto next project.
Then again, I could be all wrong, this is just how I see it. For now....
Called this on the dot, live and learn people. Knowledge is priceless.
Update:
For those of you who purchased your fpga through us but wish to host with mineority will be given the opportunity to do so. We'll send out an email and update with details when we have them.
Redundant, but following up to what Tom has said.
All sales through sales@squirrelsresearch.com inquiries, fpga.land payment portal web purchases, and Mineority.io are being coordinated together. All current and future FPGA sales through all channels are eligible to be hosted within Mineority, and we will be in contact today on how to add hosting instead of shipping for existing orders - please do NOT email us to cancel an order you already placed to move it to Mineority hosting, this is a huge drain on our resources and unnecessary.
If you want to pay in fiat instead of crypto for a Mineority card and have your card hosted through Mineority, please contact sales@squirrelsresearch.com to do this directly. We are working to make this easier in the near future.
Thanks!
David
Since mineority website shows there are more stock for sale, any chance for the whole PayPal issue to be resolved soon or enough time yet? Or sales between Mineority and fpga.land are totally different? Would love to buy some more, but with this crypto dip, really prefer to hold onto it. When crypto rebounds back up, it'll be like paying $5000+ usd worth of crypto for each board.
Check here: https://store.mineority.io/product/fpga/
Kristy-Leigh Minehan (aka OhGodAGirl) has teamed up with GPUHoarder and there is something like 1900+ FPGAs available. At least this is what her store counter says
Kristy-Leigh Minehan (aka OhGodAGirl) has teamed up with GPUHoarder and there is something like 1900+ FPGAs available. At least this is what her store counter says
I believe she mentioned that Mineority had acquired 2000 units to make available to the public or to run them in-house. Don't quote me, head over to their site and read for yourself.
So that's 5000 units + 2000 units for a total of 7000 units going be from xilinx that is going to be on hashing? Wonder how many more there are... hashrates seems like it's going be saturated. Considering some bought from xilinx too directly from whitefire thread.
Update:
Paypal asked for additional documentation. By the time we get them the additional documentation the sales will already be closed.
They will allow us to continue doing business in the future though. So, future batches with paypal shouldn't be an issue.
Well, that sucks, with the current crypto dips, it'll actually cost more in crypto right now than if bought last week... lol.
We're only planning to provide lyra2z and cnv1. I'll be mostly focused on the shell which will allow community developers to quickly put their design together.
Will you be auditing the codes that the developers push into the shell? Wondering if there's a possibility for backdoors or what not or if there's a hidden dev fee on top of your shell dev fee that they can somehow implement.
@senseless
According to whitefire, X16R, X16S , X17 "requires 2-3 FPGA cards connected together at 320GBps with 2 x QSFP28 cables, since the algorithms do not fit in a single FPGA effectively."
So would the 16GB memory circumvent that? Seeing if I would need an even amount of FPGA or not or would 1 FPGA would be able to achieve the same thing and swap out the bitstreams within the 16GB memory.?
According to whitefire, X16R, X16S , X17 "requires 2-3 FPGA cards connected together at 320GBps with 2 x QSFP28 cables, since the algorithms do not fit in a single FPGA effectively."
So would the 16GB memory circumvent that? Seeing if I would need an even amount of FPGA or not or would 1 FPGA would be able to achieve the same thing and swap out the bitstreams within the 16GB memory.?
We are only able to talk about the work we've done on lyra2z and cnv1
I noticed on your site it says "Power: 75W PCI-E + 150W 8-Pin AUX", so would that mean it'll actually require a max of 225w combined for each card depending on the algo? Or the 150w for lyra2z and cnv1 were already measured as the overall baseline? Trying to figure out how many can fit on my PSU safely without overloading.
@senseless FYI - it looks like my PayPal payment was processed with no issues. Marked as completed. Wonder what their criteria was for blocking payments.
Its a long list. Basically amounts to this is unusual and seems like something we dont understand so were shutting it down
Did you guys give them a heads up that you guys will be selling products soon and that they will be expecting an influx of $100k+ transactions soon? Or else, they might think it's fraud or money laundering if caught by surprised.
So, when does this 7nm come into play into the crypto space? https://www.xilinx.com/news/press/2018/xilinx-unveils-revolutionary-adaptable-computing-product-category.html
is it safe to say that if we used paypal, and the funds clear paypal and the financial institution behind it, then we're golden with our orders? i just checked my transactions and they're all good. never heard a peep from paypal or anyone else... so all is well then?
Ya, you guys are ok. It's paypal that's in trouble
Same here. Already have a pending charge on the CC through PayPal. It should clear in a day or 2. I hope that is fine?
Yep, we're still going to go through and manually verify all the orders of course. But as long as it clears and your identification / billing / shipping / picture of you holding your id / etc match up... You're good..
Would that mean if there are some people that refuse to provide identification, would their order be cancelled and stock open back to the public?
Yes, or if they request a refund, or if paypal doesn't allow their pending transaction to complete, etc.
Well, time to break my F5 button, my funds are free and clear in crypto, originally wanted to use PayPAl, but good thing I didn't use PayPal yet, they seem shaddy of what they did to you. They don't deserve the transaction fees.
is it safe to say that if we used paypal, and the funds clear paypal and the financial institution behind it, then we're golden with our orders? i just checked my transactions and they're all good. never heard a peep from paypal or anyone else... so all is well then?
Ya, you guys are ok. It's paypal that's in trouble
Same here. Already have a pending charge on the CC through PayPal. It should clear in a day or 2. I hope that is fine?
Yep, we're still going to go through and manually verify all the orders of course. But as long as it clears and your identification / billing / shipping / picture of you holding your id / etc match up... You're good..
Would that mean if there are some people that refuse to provide identification, would their order be cancelled and stock open back to the public?
90 day warranty is a big turnoff for a 3-4k USD item.
is there not a way to build in protection circuits to the device. i know the fpga will not self throttle (afaik) without specific bitstream support (maybe i have that wrong?) but surely there are ways to monitor critical sections of the cards (VRMs, FPGA, support chips, whatever) to downclock the device. i mean gpus are more or less bulletproof in that regard, why cant your card do the same.
seems the only thing outside of your control is ESD damage. that i can see as most miners probably ignore it.
at least offer an extended warranty for an added price.
180 days i could handle, 90 days, not so much. sounds almost like youre deliberately running beyond spec and cooling abilities and dont expect it to last.
no disrespect intended but self preservation seems like it should be built into high performance parts from day one.
EDIT btw not all miners abuse their rigs. my rigs lead a better life than my daily driver.. constant power (no cycling), better cooling, more checks for maintenance (temps, dust, cable conditions) etc.
is there not a way to build in protection circuits to the device. i know the fpga will not self throttle (afaik) without specific bitstream support (maybe i have that wrong?) but surely there are ways to monitor critical sections of the cards (VRMs, FPGA, support chips, whatever) to downclock the device. i mean gpus are more or less bulletproof in that regard, why cant your card do the same.
seems the only thing outside of your control is ESD damage. that i can see as most miners probably ignore it.
at least offer an extended warranty for an added price.
180 days i could handle, 90 days, not so much. sounds almost like youre deliberately running beyond spec and cooling abilities and dont expect it to last.
no disrespect intended but self preservation seems like it should be built into high performance parts from day one.
EDIT btw not all miners abuse their rigs. my rigs lead a better life than my daily driver.. constant power (no cycling), better cooling, more checks for maintenance (temps, dust, cable conditions) etc.
We will be building protections into the shell. HOWEVER, that's our code. We can't control other's code or what code you use. If you run some code that has no protections built in and you damage your board; do you think we should warranty that?
Obviously trying to push 300 watts through a device designed to handle 225W is not going to end well. Another example, running the devices at the upper limits of their thermal design.
So as long as we only use your shell, it should be safe, regardless if it's from other developers through your shell, correct?
The only time that the protection wouldn't be there is if we load up our own custom bitstreams without using your shell correct?
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There's a pretty simple solution for all the potential buyers out there. If you don't like the terms/warranty, then don't buy it, simple as that. No one is holding a gun to the buyer's head to buy a product with only 90 days warranty.
If you would like a 1 year warranty, then I suggest senseless create a 3rd product on his website for $15,000 board with included 1 year warranty. There, buyer's have options now.
Easy as 1, 2, 3.
There's a pretty simple solution for all the potential buyers out there. If you don't like the terms/warranty, then don't buy it, simple as that. No one is holding a gun to the buyer's head to buy a product with only 90 days warranty.
If you would like a 1 year warranty, then I suggest senseless create a 3rd product on his website for $15,000 board with included 1 year warranty. There, buyer's have options now.
Easy as 1, 2, 3.
Huawei didn't hold the gun but is paying 1B fines. Easy as that.
For warranty? Can't seem to google any related article about that 1B fines and Huawei, got link?
You couldnt really say "beat to death as mining hardware" when your creating it for that purpose. If its obeying the purpose, a 90-day warranty wouldnt be within the reasonable standard. There are many factors when coming up with a warranty, and for this product being $3000+ and being used for its intended use to break within 1 year, would most likely end in a lawsuit with your company if someone wanted to. There is an implied warranty, and you will be held accountable for implied warranties if the product cannot do what its built to do for atleast 1+ years. This is why you see long warranties in the computer sector.
There's a pretty simple solution for all the potential buyers out there. If you don't like the terms/warranty, then don't buy it, simple as that. No one is holding a gun to the buyer's head to buy a product with only 90 days warranty.
If you would like a 1 year warranty, then I suggest senseless create a 3rd product on his website for $15,000 board with included 1 year warranty. There, buyer's have options now.
Easy as 1, 2, 3.