I am quite sure he is now just buying low so he can finish this cycle, I am also quite sure he is ignoring you to keep the price low.
Noxt investors confirmed they can be scammed with no problem, no one is going to do anything (this is also the main reason I sold my "coins", soft crowd).

@Hueristic
The damage you did and still doing to this project is just enormous, each and every time someone tries to escalate this or just ask rofo for basic response you will be here to talk nonsense - actually I remember you as the biggest barrier between us and rofo, you just keep justifying this scammer whatever he does and it makes his scam look much more legit.

Your loss is well deserved in my opinion.

For others I feel very sorry, even cryptonit which I respect a lot

Maybe he was just shorting himself against the market, sell high - do nothing - buy low - profit

Anyway I'm out long ago, I even managed to recover my loses with shitcoin trading.
Just in case it motivates jason in some strange way, I would still be happy to see (some) of you getting your investment back.

Right on time

I just had some nice digging in your forums.

This project indeed looks very impressive and very promising, I am considering to join your upcoming ride

From my experience with jason you must add some drama or some legal treat, otherwise he won't bother to reply.
But good luck with talking to the wood

yeah yeah I know money is not everything, I just don't believe what you say that's all.

Good job with distracting this discussion, every time I try to discuss the poor state of this project somehow it gets distracted to something else, usually general crypto/life things which are totally unrelated to my claims.


Do you have anything to say about that Jason missed every single deadline he set by himself? and in most of the cases he wouldn't even bother himself to post a short message telling why?
Or about that his deliveries looks like 20 days work and not like 365 days work?

Because basically those were my original claims before we started to talk about peace and love.

oh come on lol now we are spiritual? "im not a daystrader"?
Sorry I just don't buy it, we can just stop arguing about that because it leads nowhere.
I think you are on auto-mode protecting your friend and I respect that, but if you were right about the project state the market would be somewhere near your opinion. this is not the case.
The market is the most reliable survey, no one tells bullshit over there unless he is willing to pay for those bullshit

I really respect you cryptonit, I used to think you are just a pumper back in 2013-2014 but after all those years full of deliveries and hard times for DMD I have no doubt you are one of the hardest working developers in this space.
Maybe you can teach Jason few moves?

"i did expect my investment in NOXT as a 5 year investment minimum"

You saw a roadmap of 3 months but decided to expect this investment as a "5 year investment minimum"?
I respect you a lot, I also respect you for defending your friend - I would probably to the same.

But I just don't believe you

EDIT: At one hand you are saying you are happy with your seeds, at the other hand you won't buy exactly the same seeds for 1/5 price you paid for those you are very happy with.
Explanation?

Do you want to compare the delivery rate of DMD to NOXT? how many things did you deliver in the past 14 months?
what about updates? how many do you do a day? 5?

And I just don't believe you about being happy with this investment, there a sell order for less then 25% of the ICO standing there for days - if there was a single person on this plant who is satisfied with how this project going forward he would just buy those coins like crazy.

People lies, the market doesn't.

btw this order is not mine in case you wondered.

EDIT: you are protecting your friend and I appreciate it, but I just don't believe you are happy with how this project is going forward.

EDIT2: sorry I didn't see your question
"now the question is at what project u work on and we can profit from it pikuchato?"
Well I am running a few bots that make nice profits, but I chose to avoid others money because I respect money that was earned by others, probably by hard work.
How is that related to NOXT? Do you want to be my investor?

Well thank you for the update, you did not answer to "what is the reason you are not working on noxt?" but I guess it is better then nothing.


Yes of course, You may even add a delivery or two because I am not sure it will work based on my name only.


And about deleting the thread, come on are you 5? do you think that deleting this thread will make your investors happy and solve all the problems?
Your investors are miserable and frustrated because of you - not because of this thread, unless you can delete or change that fact or get new investors which are happier - it will just keep going with you regardless the platform.
Change your childish attitude instead, it will be much easier for you.
We already got used to nothing so the standards are not too high at the moment, all you got to do is more then nothing.

He is not answering.

Let me ask again because last time you said I am escalating things too fast,
Does anyone here thinks we have a good reason to keep waiting?

Because in my opinion all jason needs in order to work is motivation.
Same goes for updates.

For now he has no motivation because he realized his investors are bunch of pussies who won't do anything when and if he steal their money,
Are you ready to flip this situation and give jason some motivation he doesn't have?

First thing I am going to do is message all of his relatives in facebook, telling them Jason stole our money with empty promises and now he is not responding.
Maybe his mother will explain to him stealing others money is bad.
We can write a detailed document describing what happened, this document will be handy in any future move as well.

If you think this is too extreme you are welcome to suggest any other opening move, this is the cheapest and easiest and I think it will bring results.
I bet he tells to his family he is some crypto guru, they will be quite surprised to hear he is just a scam artist.

Your opinions?

We can try go straight to the Australian Federal Police, they have a strong online presence and I already talked with them few times.
They don't really interested in helping with non Australian citizens cases but they sound highly motivated to get information about Australian scammers, actually I had to cut the conversation because the officer kept asking for names (which I didn't give for now).
This type of move is final and will take more time, for now I think messaging his family is much more reasonable.

"conceptualizing the idea for deliverance in 2015"

Well... can we try conceptualizing the idea for deliverance in 2016 instead?
I don't think it went so well for 2015

EDIT: now seriously, are you ever going to deliver anything? or just give us an honest and proper update about what is happening with this project and why we have 0 results after 1 year?

EDIT2: Again, logging in, reading, giving zero fucks, logging out.

Does any of rofo's cheerleader able to think about a good reason not to escalate this to the maximum we can? the dude just doesn't give a fuck, he is not working neither - what do you see here? please enlighten me.
The only good moments of this project were under legal treats, without them rofo is not working.

@Jason grow the fuck up, this is a business not a kindergarten where you can just bury your poo in the send and it will go away.
Stand like a fucking man and for once give us a proper update, what keeps you from working on this project? too lazy? you just don't give a fuck? you spent all money on booze? what is the reason you are not working on noxt?

For weeks now... I pm rofo about it like 2 weeks ago.
I guess he is just busy with something else, noxt become his side project and it really doesn't look like it's his main concern for the last few months or even since the beginning.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/09/bitcoin-founder-craig-wrights-home-raided-by-australian-police

"Police search home belonging to Australian entrepreneur and academic, who tech publications claim was key to creation of cryptocurrency and could be figure known as Satoshi Nakamoto"

Bitcoin makes all governments shit their pants

Technically you are 100% right, he will use those earnings to buy noxt tokens and remove them from the cycle, I tried to explain the outcome

When rofo finish the cycle by having 100% of the coins, he can do whatever he wants.
He can create a new funding cycle in order to fund new goals for his project, he can also just stay with a company/project that is 100% his - in that case he will need to fund everything but he will also enjoy 100% of the profits.

About when he buys them back, it should happen when he have the funds to do so, he won't buy all at once, he will use the earning he may got from this project in order to buy those tokens back.
He should buy those tokens for ico price or higher for those who will sit longer, I am not sure about the exact rules but this is the spirit. current price is around 33% of the ICO price.
So yes, this is a huge gamble, but if it goes well the current price should at least triple itself.

@szenekonzept
Close, it is "his work(project), that is funding the tokens is central (by nature)"
Those decentralized tokens represent revenues that might come from a centralized project in the field of decentralized crypto currencies

@Buy$Polar
Those tokens value is backed with only one thing, rofo's work.
If someone will manage to buy 100% of the coins - he will basically have to wait for rofo to buy them all from him, so the new holder won't be in charge of the project - he will just be in charge of all of its tokens.

It is similar to entering a small casino and buying all their casino jetons include from the existing players, it will just mean the casino now have to pay for 1 big holder instead of many small holders, the value of those tokens is still backed by the casino - not by the holder

edit: and of course that holder is not a share holder of the casino now, he just own their tokens which represent something (fixed value in this example).

It is much simpler, I am not talking about centralization forced by being depended on the dev(s) like any other crypto coin, those coins are still decentralized as far as much I concern.

Those decentralized projects like noble coin, can be taken over by anyone - if the majority will agree on a new chain it will become the new ledger of noblecoin - classic decentralization - the majority wins.

This is not the case here, no one can take over on anything because those decentralized tokens of noxt worth nothing without rofo's work, actually it is agreed the cycle of noxt will end when rofo will finish to buy all noxt tokens back and own 100% of them - so basically those tokens represent the work of jason in the crypto currency field, this is why it was so easy for him to make changes dynamically when needed, he is the only one who need to agree to such changes - it is 100% his project.

you see the line "I am crowd funding..." in the op? it is not a decentralized project being led by 1 dev, it is 1 dev running a project under his name, those tokens should represent his future earnings from the crypto field in case he will have any (I know there is no guarantee for success or any return like I mentioned few times).

Edit: We are already in the gray field so maybe it is time to note this is *my* opinion, Although I am quite sure I am right

Having a legal entity is not a requirement for a project in order to be centralized, centralized means it being controlled by a centralized identity/group - jason in this case.

"Peer-to-peer payment system dabbler, Noble (www.noblemovement.com) founder/director (centralized distributed ledger service and consultancy business), decentralized cryptocurrency NobleCoin (NOBL) founder, alternative cryptocurrency advocate, outspoken industry and manipulation critic, digital currency investment advisor, web/API/payment developer/designer"

Anyway I think this discussion is just spamming the thread, I will be happy to explain why noxt is centralized in private in case you still wonder.
I did read the whitepaper few times...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralisation

You are confusing noxt token which is decentralized with noxt project which is centralized...


edit: please don't put words in my mouth, I just said noxt is not a decentralized project.