Arbitrage betting indeed is a risk free way of betting. I have been doing that myself for some time. But like you say at the end it can be very risky. In every arbitrage bet there is a risk involved when one of the involved bookmakers changes the odds while placing, do not accept your Betsize,....
Since then I got involved more into valuebetting. Value betting can cause downswings but at the end in the long term it should be profitable cause you constantly beat the closing line value. Only downside on the valuebetting also is that after a while betting restrictions and limitations on several bookies can appear

I am using betinasia for 2 years now and always received my withdrawals same day as requested. They have no reason to hold your funds cause such broker services have deals with all bookies and make a percentage on all bets placed through their broker accounts.

And if OP has used betfair in the past then I do not think he has a problem with kyc verification. As betfair sometimes also requests some id and POA verification

indeed. I just suggested him to take a look at betinasia.com it's a broker service where you can use a broker account. I got restricted on betfair myself when I moved back to Belgium. But through Betinasia I can trade sports on orbitX (which is powered by betfair BTW) So it is exactly the same liquidity. Only disadvantage of orbitX is that they have a higher minimum betsize and they do not offer lay bets on horses if I remember well. But I only use it for football and tennis anyway

If I was you I would have a look at https://betinasia.com This is a broker service. I had the same problem. Betfair got restricted in my country and also had to look for other options. Betinasia offer orbitX through their broker service.

So basically you open an account with betinasia and pass their kyc procedure. After depositing min €100 you can get an orbitx account. But the account is not on your name but it's one of 100s of their broker accounts they have with multiple bookies. And biggest advantage of using orbitx through betinasia. orbitX is powered by betfair. So it uses the same liquidity on the markets as betfair. So you will never have any issues with liquidity.

other advantage is that betinasia allows BTC, ETH and LTC deposits

If I was you I would get more into that. cause there are some crypto betting exchanges but most of them lack in liquidity or do not offer in play trading or cash outs.

suits in both I guess. In my opinion beside the wonderful game and everything around they provide for me I seen sorare as a real gamble as well. I have seen cards purchased on a daily basis for thousands of € not knowing if they will hold same or increase in value over time. For example I have seen a limited cards (yellow one which have a 1000 cards cap) of eden hazard going for almost €1500. If he gets injured like last year then its a serious gamble in my opinion

you can always start for less. But knowing that there are insane prizes for most cards involved it's for me personally the minimum amount for to get more seriously into it. now I am more having some fun with some spare cash

Recently I have been getting deeper into sorare.

I love crypto, I love fantasy soccer. So this would be a perfect match for me. I have been playing around with some pocket change but I noticed that if you want get in more serious and really want to make some money out of it you already need €250-500 to set of in a decent way.

As I do not have my desired amount of money to put in already I started of with a lower amount and try to make some money on buying and directly reselling the cards for a small profit to build a larger balance in that way.

Are there other people that love to get in sorare but find it to expensive to start seriously?

As it is a telegram betting app I am pretty sure there is no license

I certainly will. I am very interested. I gave up 'gambling' quit some time ago and I am fully into sports trading for some time. And a decent crypto based sports exchange is just the thing I was waiting for

it certainly is a hell of a job. But if they can create something that can compete with the fiat betting exchanges like betfair, matchbook or Smarkets and be able to keep their commission at 1% then I am sure a lot of regular fiat sports traders will have a go at this

couple questions:

 - are horse racing and dog racing included?
 - Do cash outs in play work same as for example on BetFair
 - does exbet also offer graph like betfair?
 - does exbet offer options to for example connect with the well known trading softwares like bet angel or geek toys?

I do not see anything about trading or investing in this strategy of you but just a regular gamble. you just gamble 5 times in a row on 2 odds or higher and hope they all land. But I do not see what this has to do with trading or investing.... it just stays gambling in the way you approach it

again not much football today but was able to grab a small opportunity to lock and secure some guaranteed profits.

I used to use geek toys as well for horse racing. But same issue as you. Due to my current location I am not allowed to play on betfair. Beside geek toys I use couple other softwares as well. I loved scalping the horse racing pre race and than hedge my profits over all horses to make a guaranteed profits. Perfect way to make money from horses even if you do not know shit about it.

So now I am obligated to use orbitx exchange through a betting broker. I use BetInAsia as they also accept BTC as deposit and withdraw option.  Only shit is that you can't lay horses anymore. I used to play 'lay the field' plenty of time.


I scrolled through above conversation. I agree that playing 'lay the draw' prematch has not much use. I always wait at least until half time and then check the stats. Below you see one of the few games that triggered me to lay the draw at halftime yesterday.




BTW I like your approach to lay the U4.5 @1.05. its indeed a small risk for a huge reward. I very often also lay at extremely low odds. if for example a team is up by 1 goal difference and I see the other team is pushing then I sometimes lay the leading team in 86th- 87th minute. Lately there always is about 4-6 minutes extra time. Which leads the loosing team that is pushing still has 8-12 minutes to score the equaliser

not much football today but yet we still were able to secure a guaranteed winner. 17€ guaranteed no matter what the outcome of the game will be at full time.

check my previous post about the Swansea-Brentford game. Another profitable trade.

I layed the draw at a 1.81 odd with a 6€ stake. So my liability was only 4.86€ that I could possibly loose. I cashed out and hedged my bet in this way to secure a guaranteed profit of at least 4.21€. So this means I almost hit 100% profit on this trade

and another profitable sport trade on football.



The winnings/profits do not look great..... but tell me. Is there any market (crypto/forex/indices,...) where you take 10-15% profits on practically all your trades..... I do not think so. So this is only a 100€ account I started with and after 2 days of trading this account my balance is almost up to 130€



BTW next game on my radar is Swansea-brentfort. Not much action in the first half but enough shots to convince me. And second half already is underway for 15 minutes with a missed penalty + a red card for Brentford. So I seems a good pick for laying the draw to me.

Secured another guaranteed profit on 1 of the matches I followed. this games statistics didn't really meet my qualifying criteria but their previous games lead to high scoring games. So I decided to lay the draw here as well just because I was pretty sure one of both would score another one.




Want to learn more about trading on sports.... just keep following this thread. I will regularly post more successful strategies that I am applying myself on a daily basis

another successful trade on the Liverpool game. No matter how the match ends I will lock in a 14€ profit. Just love it. I don't need to keep an eye on the game and just can go on to the next one and try to scoop some profits in the next trade

yes it is possible but only if you approach sport betting as a long term investment and plan. There is value betting and arbitrage betting which bring guaranteed profits over time. But it needs a significant bankroll to make a full income out of it. If you know with arbitrage betting you mostly make 20-25% profits on your bankroll monthly. So it needs 10k to generate about 2000-2500€ monthly.

One thing I know for sure is that if you rely on the betting part of sport betting than mostly you will not succeed. Bookmakers always have an edge over punters. So you will need to have tools and strategies to turn that edge in your favour. And that is exactly what you do with arb and value betting ..... and with trading the sport markets.

But in any case you need a significant amount before you can start mak¡ng a decent income out of it. If you rely on hitting a 50+ odds accumulator every single week than you will never make it