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Re: [ANN] 💰⛏ 💰⛏ 💰⛏ ICE ROCK MINING ICO2 - LIFETIME PROFIT
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pokachou
on 08/08/2018, 08:58:35 UTC
I see that 'my wallet' when logged in shows how many tokens I have which is great but the dashboard still only shows how many I bought during the ICO.... Can it not reflect the total investment of coin in the wallet?

Check your real wallet: the one holding your tokens. Not the "wallet" you see on the IRM ICO page. The last one is not at all a wallet.
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Re: [ANN] 💰⛏ 💰⛏ 💰⛏ ICE ROCK MINING ICO2 - LIFETIME PROFIT
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pokachou
on 02/08/2018, 07:42:35 UTC
Dias, a couple of Months ago you said you guys would implement 2FA on the website, there is still no 2FA so it is going to happen and if not, why not  and if so, when please?

Also, why are you guys only listed on token.store, why not go onto a bigger exchange?

Hello, ICO was finished. There is no need to make 2FA at the website. Because all the payouts will be provided on blockchain and you do not need any personal cabinet. The smart contract provides you with safe transactions.
Hi Dias, thanks for the fast reply.  

Okay, I understand the ICO is over, but does that mean all profits paid can only be to one address that was listed?   The reason I am suggesting 2FA even though ICO is over, is it is my understanding it is still relevant and you can change and address if you need/want to?  So from my perspective 2FA is still very relevant and important.  And it is not expensive to install it, drop in the ocean.  

Also another question, if you hold ROCK2 at time of ICO or at time of purchasing post ICO, are all holders of ROCK2 paid for mining based on the size of their holdings or is it only those who were registered for ICO, in other words does anyone who holds ROCK2 automatically become a receiver of Dividends,

And if you increase your position in ROCK2 does that mean you will automatically receive more ETH as a result of that purchase from the mining provided you are using the same address as the one registered on your website?

Dude you dont need 2FA because by now your tokens should all be in your wallet, so there's no use in changing the ico website. Do you have a good understanding of how ETH tokens do work?
Profits are not paid on the address that you listed (or else selling tokens would be useless). Your tokens were sent on that address. And by the time they get to pay us anyone holing ROCK2 tokens in their ETH wallet will get payments. SSo for your second question the answer is: yea if you get more ROCK2 tokens you'll get paid for your tokens (meaning the one bought during ICO and the new ones)
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Re: [ANN] 💰⛏ 💰⛏ 💰⛏ ICE ROCK MINING ICO2 - LIFETIME PROFIT
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pokachou
on 18/04/2018, 15:46:28 UTC

https://i.imgur.com/USdC0a0.png

700% ROI, mining with vaporware.
Haha.
Yea I got to admit that post is a bit scary...
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Re: 🔥 [ANN] 🔥 [ICO] 🚀 Miner One - Cutting-Edge Bitcoin Mining. 🔵 🔵 Crowdfunded.
by
pokachou
on 17/04/2018, 09:39:11 UTC
I wanna the ICO to finish and the MinerOne guys to start construction the first mining center. I’ve already bought sone MIO tokens and I wanna start receiving dividends.
Then you will have to wait. The ICO ends May 15, then various issues will be solved.. All in all, I think that they will launch the first mining center at the end of the year.
Wow, such calculations. Don’t listen to him, the team has already started constructing its own mining center. I think they’ve already bought first  batch of equipment. The first mining center will be launched during the following 3-4 months.
How could they already buy the first batch of equipment if the ICO isnt over yet?
Well, they’ve bought it, that’s all. They’ve collected the soft cap, so the ICO will be successful anyway. That’s why they’ve already started to work on construction. Btw, it’s specified in the technical documentation of Miner One. 
What mining equipment did they choose?

Pretty sure they decided to wait for ETH price to rebound before buying and that is a good thing for us investors.
They sent a poll some time ago to check what investors thought about buying now vs waiting for a bit, and it was decided to wait.
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Re: 🔥 [ANN] 🔥 [ICO] 🚀 Miner One - Cutting-Edge Bitcoin Mining. 🔵 🔵 Crowdfunded.
by
pokachou
on 03/04/2018, 12:20:21 UTC
@ pokachou

Sending them back to miner one should be possible, right?

But in any case, that's why a good solution would be, to just grant every affected member an additonal appropiate amount of MIO tokens for compensation purposes.

@ minerone.io

Looking forward to your cooperative response.

I'd love to get more token for my early investment actually. But technically speaking this might be hard if they already used some of the money invested. Should everyone be allowed to get a refund to buy later? If not, what timeframe should be considered for early investors? And how much more tokens would you credit them? Those are pretty hard questions IMO.
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Re: 🔥 [ANN] 🔥 [ICO] 🚀 Miner One - Cutting-Edge Bitcoin Mining. 🔵 🔵 Crowdfunded.
by
pokachou
on 03/04/2018, 08:59:00 UTC
As an early investor, I can understand pinionless and i'm irritated too. It's even worse if you invested with FIAT...

Nowadays FIAT is still more reliable than crypto and therefore helps the whole project (more planning reliability/stability due to less volatility). But the counter draw is, FIAT investors get treated in a way, which makes their investment worth less than an investment with crypto over the last weeks. If it would just have been some per cent, i think almost nobody would complain...but up to about 60 per cent is a punch in the face of every early FIAT investor  Undecided.

It would be a fair and reasonable reaction of the miner one team, to acknowledge this fact and balance it in an appropiate way within a goodwill action  Kiss

Just a suggestion:

What about refunding these people, deleting all MIOs of their accounts, and then they can decide to invest again for the conditions of today?

You cant delete tokens sent to external wallets... the transaction is registered on the blockchain.
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Re: 🔥 [ANN] 🔥 [ICO] 🚀 Miner One - Cutting-Edge Bitcoin Mining. 🔵 🔵 Crowdfunded.
by
pokachou
on 30/03/2018, 14:27:18 UTC
Thank you, Pokachou. Please also remember that healthy discounts were offered to early investors, so the MIO Tokens obtained at the start of the crowdsale were significantly discounted. Complaining about exchange rate fluctuations that no one can control is not very productive. We tied the price of MIO to ETH because we are using smart contracts to manage MIO Tokens. As for the funds raised, not all of them are in ETH.

That is a lie, MIO tokens at the start where at around 0.53EUR and today they are at 0.27EUR. That is not a discount.

No one is complaining about exchange rates, and no mater how many times you will try to change the subject
it will not change the fact that early investors got SCAMMED

For a long time you were only able to buy stuff on bitmain with cryptos (BCH mainly).

Yes, but they adjust the price based on exchange rate, so it makes no difference if you pay in crypto or FIAT.

You do realize its not a scam in any way? Its unfortunate indeed, but you didn't loose your money. You got less than you could've had but its the same thing as day trading. Do you complain on exchanges as well when you trade your crypto to fiat and then the price changes and you could've bought cheaper/sold more expensive?

Besides Im pretty sure you wouldn't be complaining if ETH price did rise instead of going down because then you'd had had more tokens for the same price in fiat as an early investor.
I understand what you are feeling since I did invest early as well. But I take this as an opportunity to reinvest to get even more tokens now.
Its crypto world so no on can guarantee that you will be winning all the time.

Its written on their site/WP that they are indexed on ETH, and you made the choice to invest knowingly.
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Re: 🔥 [ANN] 🔥 [ICO] 🚀 Miner One - Cutting-Edge Bitcoin Mining. 🔵 🔵 Crowdfunded.
by
pokachou
on 30/03/2018, 09:14:07 UTC
Pairing the price of MIO to fiat protects those that invest with fiat currency but it doesnt protect those that invest directly in ETH/BTC. Did you think about that? A lot of people invest directly using eth/btc. This way they are protected. With your solution (the one used by IRM), you get the exacte same use case for people investing in BTC/ETH everyday as the price changes.
Its not a simple choice to make since both way can have issues. And you should know the risks of investing in crypto with that high volatility.

When they are buying equipment in FIAT the smart thing is to set the token price in FIAT. Like all other mining companys did.
Sadly Miner One is not run by intelligent people.

Even worse is that instead of fixing the problem they pretend everything is ok.
Now, me and other people that got in early are looking at 1,5 years+(even if price of ETH goes up) to get ROI when new investors will it in 8 months.

For a long time you were only able to buy stuff on bitmain with cryptos (BCH mainly). Sure now you can buy with USD but thats not always the case. And I feel your pain being an early investor, but think the other way around. Say they did index MIO on fiat. You buy it today with ETH or BTC and then the price of BTC/ETH goes up. Its the exact same use case. Early investors get less money. Even in fiat this does exists at a smaller lever. If they index on USD and I buy in euro, depending on the value of EUR/USD I dont get the same amount on different days.
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Re: 🔥 [ANN] 🔥 [ICO] 🚀 Miner One - Cutting-Edge Bitcoin Mining. 🔵 🔵 Crowdfunded.
by
pokachou
on 29/03/2018, 15:25:39 UTC
Dear Pinionless, as is obvious to anyone with even a basic understanding of markets, Miner One cannot control cryptocurrency exchange rates, including the EUR:ETH exchange rate. Due to the recent drop in ETH prices, it is now a more favourable time to buy MIO for EUR than it was before because the price of MIO is currently tied to ETH.
You don't control the price of ETH but you control the price of MIO, and today the price of MIO is half of what it was 6-8 weeks ago.
People that got in early lost half of their investment.

We challenge you to produce these people who you claim were "banned" from our Telegram Chat for "complaining" about EUR:ETH exchange rates (unless, like you, they were violating our chat guidelines, which require basic courtesy and civility, and prohibit spamming and advertisements for other products or services like the ones you mention in your other post).
It is impossible now as you deleted all the messages of people that complained about loosing half of their investment due to your incompetence.

Instead of attacking me, lets work on a solution.


Person A (6 weeks ago) Investment 1450EUR at 0.52EUR/MIO =  2788 MIO
Person B (now) Investment 1450EUR at 0.29EUR/MIO =  5000 MIO
Total MIO 7788
Person A INVESTED 1450EURO will get 36% of net output
Person B INVESTED 1450EURO will get 64% of net output

People who got in early got less hashing power than anyone buying in now.
That is not how you should treat your early investors.
Stop avoiding the problem and please tell us how are you going to fix it.


IceRockMining tied their token to USD to protect investors.
I also asked Ambit Mining and their token is also tied to USD.
They also provide bonus to people who got in early and you are the only company that screwed people that got in early.

Again, the size of the investment of people that got in 8 weeks ago is equal to the size of the investment of people that are buying in now, yet early investors got half the coins. THAT IS A SCAM.

Pairing the price of MIO to fiat protects those that invest with fiat currency but it doesnt protect those that invest directly in ETH/BTC. Did you think about that? A lot of people invest directly using eth/btc. This way they are protected. With your solution (the one used by IRM), you get the exacte same use case for people investing in BTC/ETH everyday as the price changes.
Its not a simple choice to make since both way can have issues. And you should know the risks of investing in crypto with that high volatility.
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Re: 🔥 [ANN] 🔥 [ICO] 🚀 Miner One - Cutting-Edge Bitcoin Mining. 🔵 🔵 Crowdfunded.
by
pokachou
on 21/03/2018, 13:47:05 UTC
I might have missed the answer to what will happen to the unsole tokens after the ICO is over.
Will Minerone burn those remaining tokens? (I know someone already asked that question but I didnt see the answer)
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Re: 🔥 [ANN] 🔥 [ICO] 🚀 Miner One - Cutting-Edge Bitcoin Mining. 🔵 🔵 Crowdfunded.
by
pokachou
on 06/03/2018, 10:00:02 UTC
Hello guys,
I bought token from this ICO a week ago or so but I still havent seen a token credited to my ETH wallet. Has anyone else had trouble with receiving their tokens as well? I already contacted the chat support multiple times and I've been told to wait each time but here on bitcointalks its been said that token transfers are done daily.

They seem pretty legit atm (but with ICO you never know until it's too late) so I was wondering if I was the only one or has this happened to others as well?
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Re: [ANN] 💰⛏ 💰⛏ 💰⛏ ICE ROCK MINING ICO2 - LIFETIME PROFIT
by
pokachou
on 02/03/2018, 13:21:14 UTC
What about the vapor? Did you check the percentage of the humidity in the cave? If there is 12°C cold and the asics are warm the moisture precipitates on the machines. So the rust will ruin the farm. What kind of solution do you have for this problem?

Bitcoins do not rust.   Cheesy

On a serious not though they are probably having fans set up to blow the machines.....not in the sexual or literal sense but to keep any moisture off of them, running fans (not used for cooling) is very cheap. 

I think I saw a post from them saying they indeed have fans to evacuate the hot air/replace it with the cold air from around the cave.
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Re: [ANN] 💰⛏ 💰⛏ 💰⛏ ICE ROCK MINING ICO2 - LIFETIME PROFIT
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pokachou
on 01/03/2018, 08:36:32 UTC

1) Since this is lifetime contract what will be mined after all BTCs are mined?
2) What will happen if we do not collect enough money for 5000 S9s?
3) In the future, you will offer hasing power for cloud mining. How will that affect the investors?
4) What happens if other players come on the market, Like Halong Mining with their 16TH miners? Will you bay asics from them?
5) What happens when the asics are outdated but still functional? Will you sell them? If so will the backers have the privilege to bay them off first and at what price? And if you sell them will that be considered as our mutual profit?
6) Why is 20% of profit intended for OPERATING COSTS AND MAINTENANCE? If, you pay electricity 0,03 USD per kWh that is like up to 10% ( with this BTC price). Where another 10% goes for?
Thank you for your understanding.




1. It will start from July 2018.
2. We already passed our soft cap in the first phase. It was 50k. Now whatever we get we will start.
3. We will not offer hashing power, we will offer a share of profit.
4. We will get best ones. Firstly we will provide analysis of all current miners.
5. Yes, we will give such opportunity to our backers.
6. We will upgrade and fix our miners and make better conditions to holding this ASICs. 

TNX for your answers, but I need some clarification. I spouse you are very tired and that is why you didn't answer me everything.

1) What will be mined after all the BTCs are mined? ( I know when you are starting the mining process)
2) Question answered.
3) In the future, you will offer hasing power for cloud mining. How will that affect the investors? ( I understand that in ROCK 2 phase we as investors will receive a share of a profit. My question is regarding the future project,are you planning next project Cloud mining? If, so how that will affect investors from a ROCK2 project?)
4) Question answered.
5) Question answered.
6) Why is 20% of profit intended for OPERATING COSTS AND MAINTENANCE? If, you pay electricity 0,03 USD per kWh that is like up to 10% ( with this BTC price). Where another 10% goes for? ( So, from OPERATING COSTS AND MAINTENANCE, as you explained, you will among other things upgrade and fix our miners? And 20% of profit is intended for DIVIDEND REINVESTMENT, meaning you will use all this money just for buying new ASICs?

Thank you.

If Im not mistaken the last bitcoin should be mined around 2140 or 2140 so unless you got a plan to stay alive until then (and want to share it with us) you dont have to be bothered by that question.
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Re: [ANN] 💰⛏ 💰⛏ 💰⛏ ICE ROCK MINING ICO2 - LIFETIME PROFIT
by
pokachou
on 16/02/2018, 10:43:11 UTC
I am really interested by the ICO (got my btc ready to buy) but checking the calculation of your site/google sheet, I feel like the 30$ profit/day for a S9 asic is a bit confusing. This was probably the case when you opened the ICO but with the difficulty rising and the price going down, the profitability is more 10$ daily for the 13500GHs. With those values your 1K investment values would be more like:
1month income 2month income 3month income 6month income 12month income 36month income
65$66$66.9$69.5$75$102$


That would sum up to a total of 1824$ over 36 month.
Pretty big difference if you compare that to the 12862$ that your google sheet gives over 36 months.

Could you please provide some clarifications on that point?

Again, I am really interested in the project just a bit afraid by the values...


Hello! Thank you very much for your question!


At the time when we were engaged in calculations, BTC cost 13,500 dollars. With this exchange rate, profitability was at that time slightly more than $ 30 from 1 miner s9.

But those figures that you see, are made up of your investment and 45% of the bonus because now there is an early pre-sale. This gives you an advantage. With less investment, you get more shares.

1000 $ = 1450 ROCK2 tokens.

It is very important❗️

And as well, please do not look at the price of the BTC in the context of the single day or even one month. Please look at the annual trend. For example, every summer and autumn BTC is at its peak! In summer it will cost much more than even 13,500 dollars.

+ to this we expect new equipment with more power for the same money. Therefore, our ROY of 200-425% is quite real and in fact, we expect much more.

I hope I answered your question, Sir!

I will give it a try, I'll be investing this weekend. As I said Im pretty interested by the project, it's just that most of the ICO launched today are scams that just want investor's money. Hopefully it wont be one of these. Smiley
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Re: [ANN] 💰⛏ 💰⛏ 💰⛏ ICE ROCK MINING ICO2 - LIFETIME PROFIT
by
pokachou
on 15/02/2018, 16:52:52 UTC
I am really interested by the ICO (got my btc ready to buy) but checking the calculation of your site/google sheet, I feel like the 30$ profit/day for a S9 asic is a bit confusing. This was probably the case when you opened the ICO but with the difficulty rising and the price going down, the profitability is more 10$ daily for the 13500GHs. With those values your 1K investment values would be more like:
1month income 2month income 3month income 6month income 12month income 36month income
65$66$66.9$69.5$75$102$


That would sum up to a total of 1824$ over 36 month.
Pretty big difference if you compare that to the 12862$ that your google sheet gives over 36 months.

Could you please provide some clarifications on that point?

Again, I am really interested in the project just a bit afraid by the values...