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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
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portabella
on 15/06/2017, 08:24:19 UTC
Reposting from slack for visibility.

Byteball, so far has no formal governance model. BUT! It is ripe for having THE BEST governance model - due to the witnesses system.
The witnesses are the rule enforcers, but the users area the witness-selectors. Revolutionary, more than "smart conditional payments"
this inverted model of power... is Byteball strength, killer feature.

See, bitcoin is rule-enforcing, and has no clear rule-makers, Ethereum has, and we know The DAO. Most tech which has a Foundation, that is the rule-makers. Those are the governors, the rule-makers.

Byteball, you dear users, the amount of transactions you can make, ie the amount of bytes you have, is the amount of POWER you HOLD. Over, witnesses, which are rule-enforcers only.

Start using https://byteroll.com/ as your hub today, select the BEST witness! Bringing you the best insights!

Inspired by
 https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/blog/the-blockchain-paradox-why-distributed-ledger-technologies-may-do-little-to-transform-the-economy/
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 04/06/2017, 22:48:20 UTC
pop

 Cry I followed all the way to the absolutely ​nothing part. Yes, I did add the easy deposits badly. It's hard making friends in many cryptos because intelligent people think they're above it...

Come to the slack channel, DM me, and I will give you 9 MB.
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 04/06/2017, 09:02:59 UTC
Any documentation on how to set up a witness?
I would gladly help you set it up, but there seems to be no point to have 10-100 more witnesses - the community/users cant even decide to replace 1 of the developers 12. Get on the slack and Ill guide you anyway, the process is basically the same if you follow the instructions for running a hub here https://gitlab.com/snippets/1548253

BTW, the wiki is now reachable at https://wiki.byteball.org/ as well, besides https://byteroll.com/
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 23/05/2017, 20:20:50 UTC
The Byteball wiki has become really pretty, with very useful information, thanks to engaged slack users, special shout to @slackjore and @mc (shortened for anonymity).

But wait, there is more! Now it is reachable at https://byteroll.com/

As is tradition, the wiki content is licensed like wikipedia, and its content available on git at https://gitlab.com/byteball/wiki/tree/master for backup-purposes, history-feature will come in next releases of wiki.js and other fancyness.

Some selection of pages https://byteroll.com/installation https://byteroll.com/distribution https://byteroll.com/faq-general https://byteroll.com/oracle https://byteroll.com/trading/trading-blackbytes

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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 17/05/2017, 22:11:48 UTC
Is your witness actually shared by other people?

Who are your cuple of guys? Is the trans-guy also with you? Who is behind this witness, whatever you call it? Why should I trust that you would act fairly and justly after that poor attempt of labeling other hubs as lesser than your own? What other greedy acts would you do in future?
Trans-guy? Well, like, its only a nickname man.

Chill out a bit.

Let them battle it out, it's keeping the thread bumped, and new investors will notice the project Wink  last time i saw similar thing like this on BCT the coin went 70x lol
To be honest, their fights are interesting, I for one, am envious of any IoT-experience and the more I find out the better. But in any case I just had to tell the guy "dont assume my gender"  Cheesy
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 17/05/2017, 21:20:36 UTC
Is your witness actually shared by other people?

Who are your cuple of guys? Is the trans-guy also with you? Who is behind this witness, whatever you call it? Why should I trust that you would act fairly and justly after that poor attempt of labeling other hubs as lesser than your own? What other greedy acts would you do in future?
Trans-guy? Well, like, its only a nickname man.

Chill out a bit.
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 16/05/2017, 21:03:04 UTC
It is quiet in here. Which means, it is time for a commercial!

This witness is the best witness, the best!

Replace the default witness JED* with, the fancy fast, most-honest highest-integrity tightly-secure witness 7ULGTPFB72TOYA67YNGMX2Y445FSTL7O

You make the change in the global settings, or you change to use a hub of byteroll.com/bb e.byteroll.com/bb s.byteroll.com/bb and a few more independently run from me such as byteball.me/bb and accept the suggested witness-change.

Also in the news, see the wiki at https://byteroll.com/
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 12/05/2017, 08:13:17 UTC
There is a new Byteball wiki at https://byteroll.com/ and https://byteroll.com/witness
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You can login with your byteball.slack.com and add content, licensed under Commons like Wikipedia.
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 11/05/2017, 13:28:44 UTC
Security and convenience Notice for users of these hubs

byteroll.com - 1gbit unlimited in North Europe.
e.byteroll.com - 1gbit unlimited in North America
s.byteroll.com - 200mbit in Singapore.

They do not have the "Push notifications" enabled, as that requires Google Cloud Messaging/Google-Services to function. When using those hubs you wont receive push notifications / when someone sends you a Chat message in Byteball, you wont be notified until you look at the Byteball app.

This is in my opinion a security precaution, to not give any data not even 1 byte to Google for using Byteball, either the hub or the Byteball app. The information Google receives when using push-notifications is at least "Android phone Y has message available for delivery at datetimestamp ...", in my opinion that is too much information.

Further, the hubs and witness wont ever reveal your IP address as is done by the byteball.fr/worldmap. There is no logs on the above hubs, logs go to /dev/null.

Other hubs you can use is blackbytes.me/bb which isnt mine.

Can't sync the wallet connected to e.byteroll.com/bb. Other devices connected to different hubs synced with no problem.

Thanks for reporting! As it hasnt got logs I couldnt troubleshoot the cause, but it got stuck itself, was unsyced, probably during the previous time an upgrade was required.

Will add some more monitoring to the hubs.

There is now a wiki.js instance at https://byteroll.com/ you can login/authenticate with your byteball.slack.com and begin writing!



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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 11/05/2017, 09:23:43 UTC
Security and convenience Notice for users of these hubs

Further, the hubs and witness wont ever reveal your IP address as is done by the byteball.fr/worldmap. There is no logs on the above hubs, logs go to /dev/null.

Other hubs you can use is blackbytes.me/bb which isnt mine.

All IP are freely available from the database in any hub or any full wallet on any end-user desktop computer.

There is no "revelation" here. The info is open to everybody that can run a simple db query. We just display it in a structured maner for the benefit of all.

As always use TOR if you want to remain private. Nothing new under the sun.

Very shady to turn the other hubs in red, untrustworthy. Very shady to call your witness a "community-witness" when you color others red but yours green, those you show as red are the same people who helped you setup your witness.

You are trying too hard to gain trust of users, and by doing so is loosing at least my trust.

Use byteroll.com/bb the witness 7ULGTPFB72TOYA67YNGMX2Y445FSTL7O if you want security and privacy, your IPs will not be shown on a world-map.
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 11/05/2017, 07:41:54 UTC
Security and convenience Notice for users of these hubs

byteroll.com - 1gbit unlimited in North Europe.
e.byteroll.com - 1gbit unlimited in North America
s.byteroll.com - 200mbit in Singapore.

They do not have the "Push notifications" enabled, as that requires Google Cloud Messaging/Google-Services to function. When using those hubs you wont receive push notifications / when someone sends you a Chat message in Byteball, you wont be notified until you look at the Byteball app.

This is in my opinion a security precaution, to not give any data not even 1 byte to Google for using Byteball, either the hub or the Byteball app. The information Google receives when using push-notifications is at least "Android phone Y has message available for delivery at datetimestamp ...", in my opinion that is too much information.

Further, the hubs and witness wont ever reveal your IP address as is done by the byteball.fr/worldmap. There is no logs on the above hubs, logs go to /dev/null.

Other hubs you can use is blackbytes.me/bb which isnt mine.
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 10/05/2017, 21:31:52 UTC
Hello Byteballers!

Dont forget to replace the default witness JED* with the second witness to appear on the network, the fancy fast 7ULGTPFB72TOYA67YNGMX2Y445FSTL7O

You can also use these hubs which should offer you the above witness if you so choose.

Europe: byteroll.com/bb
Americas: e.byteroll.com/bb
Singapore: s.byteroll.com/bb

Diversify the witnesses, let me collect the transaction fees, and in turn keep the network safe! Happy to help with anything even if you want to start your own witness. Thanks!
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 26/04/2017, 20:20:59 UTC
What about witness?

It is the second witness to be run by an independent community person, me.

The purpose is to show that

1) witness of the creator can be replaced by the community,

2) to test and verify witness-parts of the code, or just one more witness running on the network and its effects,

3) to assess social/community aspects of the process, and last but not at all the least,

4) to earn for me some fat profits. In fact, if the profits are so fat, I would gladly also share the profits of the fees with EFF, GNU, Wikipedia and other cool organizations. Right now, there has been no profit-earning and just bytes loosing as running the witness looses bytes, but oh well.


Great features! Nice developments.

Reminder for people in here, you can use my witness
7ULGTPFB72TOYA67YNGMX2Y445FSTL7O to replace JEDZYC2HMGDBIDQKG3XSTXUSHMCBK725.

Also, I run a few hubs, byteroll.com if you are in Europe, s.byteroll.com if you are in Asia, and e.byteroll.com if you are in America. You can use them without using my witness, to offload the main hub.

I looked on  stat of your witness. Arround 4.5 % activity on net. Is this enough to trust?

The witness has a high up-time, but due to the nature of witness-es, I cant run it with a High-Availability configuration / automatic-failover in case when ISP/hardware fucks up, due to the small risk of accidentally having the same witness running at same time but posting different units - that is a recipe for disaster.

The stat means 4.5% of all transactions have my witness selected, 7ULGTPFB72TOYA67YNGMX2Y445FSTL7O, but to be honest, if I was you I wouldnt trust me. Not yet, trust takes time, a lot of time. But if you are willing to experiment and wish to push/see another witness than default from creator, faster. Do it!

Remember, you can always switch back or to another witness.
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 26/04/2017, 19:46:36 UTC
Great features! Nice developments.

Reminder for people in here, you can use my witness
7ULGTPFB72TOYA67YNGMX2Y445FSTL7O to replace JEDZYC2HMGDBIDQKG3XSTXUSHMCBK725.

Also, I run a few hubs, byteroll.com if you are in Europe, s.byteroll.com if you are in Asia, and e.byteroll.com if you are in America. You can use them without using my witness, to offload the main hub.
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 14/04/2017, 20:11:11 UTC
You cant win with troll.

Now you are just changing your original question to be "what is the result of a stresstest", and if tonych actually makes a stresstest you would just say "but oh you run the stresstest with AMD Ryzen and more powerful motherboard than what is available for normal people living in Moldova".

Byteball is the first DAG-coin and that hurts your little ego since Iota is still not on any exchange and has the retarded idea of using Proof-of-Work in the space of IoT.

As more transactions are posted to the network transaction times decrease - throughput increases.

I am very interested in your IoT experience and especially the prototype mentioned, is it or will it ever be available for public study? Did you actually use the ESP8266, if so and you cant FOSS it, can you give a few pointers how one would go about implementing a light Byteball client for it, what was the biggest problem you faced?

Thank you.
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 13/04/2017, 21:00:39 UTC
Hey guys,

Quite a few hubs and witnesses showing up, this is great!

Gentle reminder, dont forget to replace your JED* witness which shows up in the middle in the default list, with mine which is 7ULGTPFB72TOYA67YNGMX2Y445FSTL7O. This is the second member of community to run a witness for a while now. The byteroll.com/bb is my hub.

You'll know me from the slack mostly, the intention with the witness and hubs is to help the Byteball network, and earn some fees, if the fee-earnings ever become really significant say above $100 per month, it would make sense to share the fee to a community fund or other FOSS or nice projects such as EFF.

Security is tight, the witness is physically secure and not in any cloud.
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 08/03/2017, 08:42:38 UTC
To protect those who didn't upgrade fast enough, I'll update the default hub to refuse connections from clients that run an old version.

This is now done.
If you run a your own hub, please upgrade it too.
thx!  Smiley
Upgraded my hubs too.
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 16/02/2017, 10:21:45 UTC


That's a valid concern and freezal got it right: the network had to start centralized and no one's showed up yet with the needed reputation and credibility.  I'm going to use every opportunity to relinquish control over 11 out of 12 witnesses in favor of reputable individuals/organizations/companies that are willing to be part of the network.  That would make the network only stronger thanks to both their involvement and the network becoming more decentralized.

You could have an election for 12 witnesses like Komodo did for their 64 notary nodes.


Why bringing politics in when there's no need for it? Human intervention shouldn't be as strong as this. I mean Bitcoin works because there's very little human intervention. There's a lot of politics outside the protocol (big blocks, small blocks, BU not BU) but that doesn't harm the continuation of the network.
I'm confused on this one  Roll Eyes

If there is a better decentralised way to select 12 witnesses than a vote by coin holders then we should do that, but is there?

look at eigentrust+ a peer2peer technology which is used to support a trust relationship in decentralized networks
NEM implemented it to create tzogether with their POI (prove of importance) a blockchain consense mechanism that can create a high secured network without any energy waste (POW) and without any human interaction needed (witnesses lists manual set by wallet owners)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEM_(cryptocurrency)#Node_Reputation_System
"Although the NEM client is open source and available on github,[7] the NEM server based component, the NIS, is closed source and the binary is obfuscated to presumably prevent decompilers from revealing how it works."

That raises many red flags and sirens.

Another interesting algorithm for P2P networks is FairShare, it improved bittorrent seeding/leeching ratio massively, speeds up initial transfers and is very difficult to attack - since that algorithm doesnt need to ask other peers anything, is only in the client and affects the way client initiates and picks whom to talk to.

EigenTrust looks very nice and interesting, thanks!
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 14/02/2017, 22:24:28 UTC

Besides, as far as I know, tonych can't do anything if economy decide to change some witness [..]
I guess, this puts me in the "mindless cheerleaders" category then Wink.


Let me quote the most well informed person:


You are correct, if 12 witnesses so decide, they can block all attempts to replace them. But this is exactly what they were expected not to do when they were added themselves.  If a minority of witnesses appears untrustworthy, they can be promptly replaced before they reach majority.

I discuss in the whitepaper a mechanism which helps make the behavior of witnesses more predictable and earlier detect any breaches of trust:  a would-be witness pledges to follow the witness lists of a few (possibly larger than 12) prominent industry leaders.  The pledge is not enforceable in the protocol but publicly auditable, any breach of the pledge would immediately make the witness a candidate for removal.

Begin spreading the trust.

The witness 7ULGTPFB72TOYA67YNGMX2Y445FSTL7O replaces UENJPVZ7HVHM6QGVGT6MWOJGGRTUTJXQ
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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
by
portabella
on 14/02/2017, 20:20:27 UTC
You can even now begin using my witness.

Witness 7ULGTPFB72TOYA67YNGMX2Y445FSTL7O replaces UENJPVZ7HVHM6QGVGT6MWOJGGRTUTJXQ

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Activity: 4

Good joke. Or an attempt to offend us implying our average IQ is in single digits range.
No offense meant. Yes, low activity, independence. Ive come to this thread due to this actually being Byteball news on the internet.

Do you have any other questions?