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It seems now that BTC and many of the main cryptos are our of reach for a majority of people. Its become a speculative disaster waiting to happen. A peer to peer decentralised form of payment now left in the hands of 2 individuals who own more than 40% of it and an ever increasing and volatile price which makes transacting in BTC for goods and services practically impossible. Its fair to assume that satoshi would be appaled by what is taking place.
I am a big fan of BTC and other crypto coins. However, It is now clear that the price of BTC is ridiculously high. Its literally a disaster waiting to happen. Dont invest now, or if you do be ready to loose a significant amount of $$ when the market significantly corrects itself.
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You should learn etheroums open source smart coding language Solidity and follow their tutorials and others on YouTube. Then youll be able to set up smart contracts and ICOs. However as a word of caution, depending on where you live, you shouldnt advertise that you make smart contracts as in some places theyre not legal and enforceable, leaving you liable for misrepresentation depending on the circumstances.
Well there are many Blockchain based notary platforms that have been created (you can do a quick google search to find out the leading ones). But whether it is legally sufficient depends on which country youre in and which state the contract is concluded in. For example if you live in the USA, Smart contracts concluded in Vermont and a handful of other states are legally valid whilst in other states, are unenforceable.
Whilst it may seem that BTC is a threat, in reality it is not. Banks are embracing Blockchain based technology and solutions and are actively positioning themselves to be a part of this new emerging industry. I believe that it is only a matter of time before central banks start minting their own currencies in order to remain relevant and keep with the status who.
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You should read around this forum, read daily cryptonews (you could create a google alert to help you with this), follow bitcoin and crypto leaders on twitter and watch youtube videos. Thats plenty of information to help you gain 'insider' knowledge. If you want to learn Blockchain development, start out by searching that on youtube and go on to more advanced tech websites from there (u could get courses on udemy by paying around $5).
This is simple fraud under the pretext of improving Bitcoin. They are using the most established cryptocurrency brand and creating un-necessary or ineffective forks and propping them up to inflate their value. I won't be surprised if major backers of this are investigated for a range of financial crimes.
Forking bitcoin hasn't been about making money out of thin air. It has been about improving the technology and making it more useful to a wider group of people.
This is an argument which i don't believe in. if its about improving technology, let them create their forked versions and call it something else.
lol it's easier said than done my friend. Its like saying "no more war! People die needlessly" sure that's all true but politics and greed and human folly means wars will continue in one form or another.
Wars can be politically motivated, religious or just economic. That's what is happening right now, an economic war, that threatened to change everything. Everyone wants their part of the pie so to speak
Wars can be politically motivated, religious or just economic. That's what is happening right now, an economic war, that threatened to change everything. Everyone wants their part of the pie so to speak
I agree with your statement. But the thing here is if we as a majority of the crypto community reject pointless forks, and refuse the 'forkers' from calling their shit coin Bitcoin, then BTC could survive. Ultimately, after 3-4 more BTC Forks, the market will correct itself and it'll be harsh.
Constantly creating Forks of BTC and calling them BCH or whatever is going to end up being a massive disaster for them cryptocurrency industry. There's already talk of a new fork supported by Segwit and Coindesk etc to fork BTC again this November! This is totally unacceptable. I think that it is a matter of time before the market catches on to this fraud of forking, which literally billions of dollars of value from nowhere. Just imagine if the New York stock exchange (or a random group of traders) decided to create a 'Forked version' of itself. Literally, no one would ascribe any value to it and everyone would see it for what it was.. day light fraud. People are going to catch on soon, and BTC will fall if this continues.
The only reason BTC has any value is that it has name recognition and a reputation for stability (compared to eth atleast). We need to save BTC from this tyranny which causes instability and goes against the fundamental of cryptos.
The only reason BTC has any value is that it has name recognition and a reputation for stability (compared to eth atleast). We need to save BTC from this tyranny which causes instability and goes against the fundamental of cryptos.
Re: Forking Dilemma:The ticking time bomb that will render cryptos untenable...
Cryptocurrencies should face the same market forces. While people may view Bitcoin cash as valuable and as it stands, it seems that a correction did not happen, the cryptocurrency community should treat forks of coins with the contempt they deserve. When BCH was created out of thin air, its value should have been 0.001$ but instead, the market valued it at $700 and now its about $300. Holders of bitcoin were rewarded new valuable currency as though it were largess. The next cryptocurrency fork should be treated harshly especially if its a further BTC split.
This issue of forking must be addressed if cryptocurrencies are to become as accepted and understood as fiat.
This issue of forking must be addressed if cryptocurrencies are to become as accepted and understood as fiat.
Not all forks are created equally, to use that expression.
The Bitcoin Cash developers are unknown, untrusted people who are just doing a simple fork of the software. The economy backs the Core developers. I believe this will be the case in the future, even if future forks split the network considerably and all network values suffer considerably as a result.But markets are not efficient, especially in this atmosphere of crypto hype and market manipulation in unregulated, illiquid markets. There are forces (Roger Ver, for instance) that are likely propping up the BCH price to dry up the liquid supply. Like BTC, most BCH will not move. Once supply dries up, it can be pumped, and the Bitcoin Cash haters can be "proven wrong." Bitmain could even start pointing hash power at it once it's profitable to mine. Wouldn't that be an interesting development?
Imagine if the new york stock exchange created a 'forked version' of all their shares and tried to pass it off as equal value to which the market erroneously responds by correcting the forked version of the market to 35% of the value and increasing the actual exchange by 35%..it's unbelievable. I know cryptos and shares are different but think about it!
Re: Forking Dilemma:The ticking time bomb that will render cryptos untenable...
First, there is a total of just over 200 currencies around the world, while there are already 1000s of different cryptocurrencies (imagine 1000s of different forked versions which are forked further).
i have a laser printer at home and some simple A4 papers. i design some pretty square image and write a number on top right corner of it and then start printing it. if you think what i just printed is a "currency" like what USD, ... are then yes there are 1000s of different cryptocurrencies.
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Cryptocurrencies should face the same market forces. While people may view Bitcoin cash as valuable and as it stands, it seems that a correction did not happen, the cryptocurrency community should treat forks of coins with the contempt they deserve. When BCH was created out of thin air, its value should have been 0.001$ but instead, the market valued it at $700 and now its about $300. Holders of bitcoin were rewarded new valuable currency as though it were largess. The next cryptocurrency fork should be treated harshly especially if its a further BTC split.
they are treated harshly the same way most altcoins are treated.this has nothing to do with their prices, it is all the economy that never switches over. you are talking about "currency" in this topic and that means when they are being treated harshly!
when no merchant, services, payment processor,... even considers using any of these altcoins that proves they are useless.
the price is just for speculators wanting to make more money ($$$) out of it. the market is easily manipulated too and there are people who are still hopeful that BCC reaches the same price as BTC so they they are hodling!
and in my opinion it is a decentralized and free market we can not and should not tell others what they can or can not do.
My point is that currently few merchants and payment processors recognise the main cryptocurrencies (BTC,ETH)etc. The idea of forked versions which come out of nowhere (There's talk of Bitcoin Segwit 2x Hard fork this November already!), should have value is ridiculous and I am suggesting that once the market collectively get the relevant information the correction of these forked versions to junk status will happen, while significantly affecting the value of the principal version. In the meanwhile convincing humans that something that literally didn't exist yesterday has a value of hundred of dollars will fail miserably (even convincing the public to adopt cryptos could be a hard sell). If we want to preserve our crypto environment, we should collectively reject the vast majority of the forking attempts to protect ourselves.
It is granted that fiat is generally brought into creation by borrowing against a balance of zero by central banks across the world. While people may compare this to a fork situation where seemingly an entire new concurrent stream of cryptocurrency based on the principle is created, I think that there are many differences.
First, there is a total of just over 200 currencies around the world, while there are already 1000s of different cryptocurrencies (imagine 1000s of different forked versions which are forked further). Secondly, when a currency is borrowed against nothing (with certain exceptions) the currency depreciates Sharpley in value. It does not increase. Theres no way that our governments can announce that we all have an equal amount of new currency based on what you had at the time of announcement and expect it to be valuable.
Cryptocurrencies should face the same market forces. While people may view Bitcoin cash as valuable and as it stands, it seems that a correction did not happen, the cryptocurrency community should treat forks of coins with the contempt they deserve. When BCH was created out of thin air, its value should have been 0.001$ but instead, the market valued it at $700 and now its about $300. Holders of bitcoin were rewarded new valuable currency as though it were largess. The next cryptocurrency fork should be treated harshly especially if its a further BTC split.
This issue of forking must be addressed if cryptocurrencies are to become as accepted and understood as fiat.
First, there is a total of just over 200 currencies around the world, while there are already 1000s of different cryptocurrencies (imagine 1000s of different forked versions which are forked further). Secondly, when a currency is borrowed against nothing (with certain exceptions) the currency depreciates Sharpley in value. It does not increase. Theres no way that our governments can announce that we all have an equal amount of new currency based on what you had at the time of announcement and expect it to be valuable.
Cryptocurrencies should face the same market forces. While people may view Bitcoin cash as valuable and as it stands, it seems that a correction did not happen, the cryptocurrency community should treat forks of coins with the contempt they deserve. When BCH was created out of thin air, its value should have been 0.001$ but instead, the market valued it at $700 and now its about $300. Holders of bitcoin were rewarded new valuable currency as though it were largess. The next cryptocurrency fork should be treated harshly especially if its a further BTC split.
This issue of forking must be addressed if cryptocurrencies are to become as accepted and understood as fiat.
It is the market which attributes to different forks. Bitcoin Cash does have significant backing and actually split the bitcoin community. So it would be wrong to attribute 0 value to it. Bitcoin has risen post the split. That does not take away anything from Bitcoin Cash.
What about the planned Bitcoin Segwit 2x hard fork and the next one and the one after that. We should draw the line somewhere otherwise we will be doing this noble idea of cryptos a disservice. Bitcoin has only risen because there wasnt a 'hard fork' but lets not forget, the same way BTC has risen quickly, it can fall..taking down the entire industry!
I think just in the case of the bitcoin cash split, the fork probably has some value.
After all, it's a split from the dominant currency.
Bitcoin has become a brand and it has public notification.
A fork from bitcoin inherits in my eyes some of the brand value of bitcoin.
At the same time the brand value of bitcoin stays the same.
If the value of bitcoin cash realy is as high as it was/is of course there are different opinions for that.
After all, it's a split from the dominant currency.
Bitcoin has become a brand and it has public notification.
A fork from bitcoin inherits in my eyes some of the brand value of bitcoin.
At the same time the brand value of bitcoin stays the same.
If the value of bitcoin cash realy is as high as it was/is of course there are different opinions for that.
It makes sense that bch is building on BTC's recognisable name. But where does it stop and at what point does the value of BTC drop significantly because of all the uncertainty surrounding each fork and the unknowable number of future forks?
Re: fall of bitcoin Necessary............bitcoin is a threat For the dollar
The biggest threat to bitcoin is from within, groups trying to hijack its brand and its development, first already done and goes by the name of "Bitcoin Cash", the next is planned for a few months from now and goes by the name of "Bitcoin SegWit2X".
Governments and banks will embrace bitcoin because of its property, much like gold.
Governments and banks will embrace bitcoin because of its property, much like gold.
This forking business 'Bitcoin SegWit2x' or the next one after that will be the end of Bitcoin and cryptos. This idea of creating valueless forked versions of an intrinsically valueless and intangible 'coin' is dangerous and once the market catches on and the bubble bursts, no crypto will recover and go above $1 in my opinion. This idea of undermining currencies every couple of months will prove fatal.
Re: Forking Dilemma:The ticking time bomb that will render cryptos untenable...
Cryptocurrencies should face the same market forces.
There's a question of whether currency can gain value or be devalued through inefficient spending.
Example when new york was bought from native americans for paltry sum. Did the value of real estate diminish while the value of goods traded for new york gain value?
Another example if a government bought 200 toilet seats at a cost of $4 billion dollars, would that devalue US currency?
That could be one area where crypto retains value over other currencies, its buying/selling paradigm is more efficient and more effective than other currencies which negates the effect inflation(inefficient spending) has upon it.
I would imagine the paltry sum of money spent to purchase New York at that time was a very significant sum, which would imply the value of real estate shot up. Regarding government spending, If there is an oversupply of currency (or goods) in the market, then the value falls (supply-demand economics). In fact, less than 10% of USD's are printed and actually in circulation. Whilst I agree certain cryptos are more efficient than other currencies insofar as negating the effect of inflation is true, the fact of the matter is that the hourly fluctuations that occur trading any crypto currency is greater than a year or two's worth of inflation. Also, when the market rejects this idea of forking currencies by reducing them to junk status, the effect that would have on an overwhelming number of cryptos (in terms of uncertainty causing prices of the main currency to drop) is literally 10 times worse than years of inflation. It's interesting really.
People can do whatever they want. Bitcoin is resilient by design and there's virtually no issues to be worried about.
The crypto market is lean and very efficient (not perfect) but it's as good as it gets.
The crypto market is lean and very efficient (not perfect) but it's as good as it gets.
What about all the unsustainable daily fluctuations on the value of bitcoin? I'd think that's a pressing problem if theres to be widespread adoption. Also, the absolutely inflated price of bitcoin (higher than gold and almost every commodity) , which only the elite can afford seems like another problem. The cryptosphere can be a lot more efficient. There are significant shortcoming emerging which will only get more apparent as more people adopt it and 'real' fiat starts pouring in.
Re: fall of bitcoin Necessary............bitcoin is a threat For the dollar
People must understand that Bitcoin isn't anymore the plaything that it was years ago. Every exchange will face difficulties if they don't properly register their activities - especially when it comes to allowing people to exchange/trade crypto versus USD. If an exchange isn't willing to go through whatever is needed to be allowed to run a platform that involves USD, it will experience what BTC-E has gone through, what Bitfinex is, or will go through, Poloniex, etc. BTC-E, however, is reported to be involved in the MtGox theft back in the days. I don't like the government shutting exchanges down, but in case of BTC-E, if they are really one of the master mind behind the MtGox theft, may all involved entities burn in hell.
You're 100% right.. as an aspiring crypto lawyer, I have been reading findings from the SEC, UK and EU regulatory authorities which suggest that the starting point towards regulating cryptocurrencies is to monitor all the possible exchanging avenues from crypto to fiat. Governments have entire departments ready to implement new directives and strict laws could be in place very soon announcing that trading cryptos over a certain amount per year (as an unlicensed individual) is a crime (with mandatory minimums) thus rendering services like localbitcoins illegal. Meanwhile, they'll set strict AML, KYC and fiduciary obligations on the established and new exchanges making it 'safer' for the people and a lot more beurocratic (going against the very principle of cryptocurrencies).
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Not sure what country OP is in, but try wiring money in to GDAX. If you have a Coinbase account, you have an account on GDAX.
Coinbase (who owns GDAX) is too painful and slow to increase available money from bank accounts and credit cards. Wires are fast, but they do have a fee.
im based in the UK.. but on holiday now in another continent missing out on all the action.. Coinbase (who owns GDAX) is too painful and slow to increase available money from bank accounts and credit cards. Wires are fast, but they do have a fee.