LOL! why dont you take 2 seconds to read and actually stay informed bitmain currently ONLY takes BCH lol, so not only a vendor that takes it but takes it OVER BTC

". Only BCH(Bitcoin Cash) payment method is accepted in this batch, please use the exact amount mentioned in your order and complete the payment within one hour. After one hour, the order will expire and your payment may not be detected by the system automatically. Payment must be in BCH. We cannot accept payment in BTC. If you send BTC to the BCH wallet the coins may be lost. If the payment is submitted but the receipt is delayed, we will make your payment "Valid" manually. "

God, if only people got past the hate and thought it through lol "$200 trash coin" for the win

Well hope non china company's come out then cause I cant do wire transfers for more then $999 so BTC is my only method of purchase unless they start taking paypal lol. I know in canada I can literaly go to an atm and withdraw BTC as cash with 0 problems

wire transfer only was disappointing. was hoping to buy with BTC. kinda shows a lack of faith in there product that they wont accept it as payment.

http://miner.ebang.com.cn/en/index.html

Is this the official site? it seems very sketchy to me? also does this run like the Avalon where you have to buy a separate controller?
very interested in a few of these if they are legit. but ive been scammed before and I am very hesitant.

First off there is many exchanges that take BCH, also in the beginning of October bitmain themselves actually had a shipment of machines that they where selling for BCH only and where offering an exchange of $425. Price of BCH is also dropping at the moment because of this craze for free bitcoin gold, once everyone gets their free gold you will notice the currency jump in value. Its like one person said on here "You dont get rich for being right, you get rich when everyone else is wrong". I am glad so many fail to see the value in BCH.

umm? I think your trying to make the argument that BTC was never intended to be used to buy a coffee? on this I disagree (along with many others) original vision for the currency was a "decentralized peer-peer cash system" in other words. A low fee currency that was meant to be used as cash without government breathing down your neck. "cash system" not investment portfolio system it has become.

8 MB (with scale function) allows more transactions to be done at once. In a world where transactions can get back logged for days, increasing how many transactions that can be done at once is an increase to speed. In a world where no chain needs to be higher then 2 MB your right, they are not any faster but this is hardly the case.

You do bring up a point I am not really all that knowledgeable on and that is the spam attacks. however in a scaling environment the amount of attacks required is significantly more? as well as if a fee IS needed to be introduced with the ability to process 4* the transactions would mean the fee required would be  significantly less.

Though I don't understand the exact technical issues of memory and ram BCH has already mined 8MB blocks on several occasions with little issues? I assume 8 transactions of 1 MB takes up the same memory/ram as 1 of 8MB?

To your last point, they must be under a spam attack 99 % of the time then. I mine and trade both currency's any time I do any kind of transaction with BTC my fee is anywhere from 3 - 8 $ and the transaction takes 3- 18 h.  longest wait ive ever had with BCH is 30 min and fees are never more then 20 cents. if you are using some other kind of method to get around this hey i welcome the info!

I do appreciate an actual point of view backed by some thought instead of mindless insults.

How "NEW" I am or anyone else for the matter does not make any facts that I have stated any less true,and I obviously am WAY more informed then someone so esteemed as yourself. I would also like to point out it is the op who felt the need to start a post to use completely illogical arguments to discredit BCH. This pump up conspiracy theory is just  an argument being used because other then brand, BCH is better in every single way. I have yet to see any logical point to contest this.

People thought BCH would replace Bitcoin because it is in fact better in every way. what people failed to see is how important brand is and its the only thing BTC has going for it. I also refer you to my last statement and suggest you do some homework. Bitcoin cash was created by those very same developers who built BTC, this isn't some random person trying to make money off of bitcoin's name. This is leading edge developers who worked for years WITH BTC seeing a vital flaw in its system and fixing it through a fork. Its more like 2 partners developing a business together decide on very different goals splitting up on 2 different paths. I thought this would actual be an informative debate with actual facts, not just mindless insults with no actual knowledge.

It is important to note that BCH was not created by some Joe Shmo who wanted to build a crypto. Its called a fork for a reason, and was started by some of the same influential people in the bitcoin community for years. They saw how disastrous the future of bitcoin was becoming and decided to fix it. To many people are to lazy to actually do the homework of the differences of the coin to make an informed decision and the brand is more well known so they stick with BTC but as a coin itself it is better in every possible way.

The coin itself is better in every way, as I said they simply lack the brand. To many stubborn people out there for BCH to have its real value shown. all anyone can ever say is "its not worth as much" or "lower market cap" but as a sustainable crypto that follows the true values of the founder of bitcoin BCH is better in every way.

Absolutely right! BCH will never be BTC, and I'm glad! From day of its creation BCH has always been superior. faster transaction at a fraction of the price is just the beginning. Do you honestly think the future of crypto is going to a coffee shop and waiting 30 min and paying 8 $ in fees to  buy a coffee? BCH is better in every way, the only thing they lack is the brand. In time people will stop being stubborn and realize a quality coin is more important then what its called.  The only reason it angers you so much is cause they are superior in every way and you are fearful that you are backing the wrong horse.

Exactly so these manufacturers need to get their head out of their ass and start actually "growing the chain" or they will kill the bitcoin, and then they will make no profits at all anymore, all because of their own idiocy.

sadly im not entirely sure how exactly that works. I would have to set up those miners and find software myself right? do you have any suggestions for a good newbie guide to that?

realized my rant got off topic from op intent , I took my rant elsewhere lol

I started this rant in another section but this caused the conversation to veer off from OP intent so I started this new one to discuss how hardware in the chain is sold.

The biggest problem I have about the way hardware is sold is that. 1 of the biggest perks of bitcoin is its suppose to be a financial system run by the people. I originally got into it because I loved the idea of a system away from the corruption and scheming of banks and government. But when you have a system that shits on the little guys and only rewards the people who can buy mass quantity, its no longer a system run by the people it is now a system run in majority by the rich. This basically makes BTC like every other currency where the few dictate everything. The only perk it has now is the Anonymity and that only depends on where you live and even then with all the scams and theft out their, this causes just as many problems as it does solutions.

I have no problems with the people who have been doing this for years and have stockpiled and generated from being early investors. its just if people can literally be spamming the webpage from the moment it goes in stock and still not able to get a single machine, its no longer a currency run by the people and in fact goes against everything I would of thought bitcoin standed for. I just think Bitmain Canaan and all other hardware suppliers should prioritize selling few machines to many over alot of machines to few and let those who want to buy 60 machines + have to pay the premium prices instead of the little guys who just want 1 or 2 machines each release.

You hear slogans like "Grow the block chain" but if your only selling machines to the few, how does this help "grow the chain"? I have only been in this for a year so maybe im not fully understanding the system as well as some, however if in the end you wind up with only 100 or so people with all the machines does this not destroy the whole BTC system? without a vast network of DIFFERENT people verifying transactions it opens the network up to so many issues does it not?

anyways.. that's my rant feel free to post opinions weather they agree with me or not, maybe you guys can make me understand this. General point im trying to make in all this is. The needs of the MANY should out way  the needs of the FEW (patent pending), and the manufacturing needs to stop catering to the bigwigs and share some love with us little guys who just wana grow by 1 or 2 machines a month without having to pay the bigwigs $3000 for a machine!

Hey I have no problems with the people who have been doing this for years and have stockpiled and generated from being early investors. its just if people can literally be spamming the webpage from the moment it goes in stock and still not able to get a single machine, its no longer a currency run by the people and in fact goes against everything I would of thought bitcoin standed for. I just think Bitmain Canaan and all other hardware suppliers should prioritize selling few machines to many over alot of machines to few and let those who want to buy 60 machines + have to pay the premium prices instead of the little guys who just want 1 or 2 machines each release.

I keep mine in BCC, I have no idea why market has not realized its the better coin yet. Lower fees, faster transactions, plus they have a perm solution instead of a temp one. just a mater of time before the community stops attacking BCC and is forced to embrace it.

The biggest problem I have about the way hardware is sold is that. 1 of the biggest perks of bitcoin is its suppose to be a a financial system run by the people. I originally got into it because I loved the idea of a system away from the corruption and scheming of banks and government. But when you have a system that shits on the little guys and only rewards the people who can buy mass quantity, its no longer a system run by the people it is now a system run in majority by the rich. This basically makes BTC like every other currency where the few dictate everything. The only perk it has now is the Anonymity and that only depends on where you live and even then with all the scams and theft out their this causes as many problems as it does solutions.

I noticed whatToMine said DGB is the most profitable 300% then 20 min later its 120% any thought on this coin? do you think its worth switching my mining power over to it when it is high ? why does it fluctuate so much ? any information would be interesting.