I'm still around when I get emails about thread updates. That Wikipedia article is fucked and definitely needs editing. Know any Wikipedia editors?

Fuck me but you're an ignorant nigga. Please don't ever breed. The world needs less fucking retards and you're not helping.


You don't even know if "CryptoNote Team" and "Bytecoin Team" consist of the same one or two people, same way as we don't know if Satoshi Bless-his-heart-nakamoto was one person or multiple. The difference is that the people that can corroborate Bitcoin's launch are a mix of known people, publicly logged sources, and pseudonymous individuals who have been around since long before you started talking shit on Bitcointalk.


Yeah nigga, they provided the reference implementation. That's the only thing they've done well. This new shit they're doing is disinteresting and boring.

And it's ok for a fork to succeed the parent. Here are some examples of projects that were forked, and the people behind the original don't go around bitching about trying to discredit with sockpuppets. Fucking pathetic.

Joomla was forked from Mambo.

X.org was forked from xfree86.

LibreOffice was forked from OpenOffice.

Webkit was forked from KHTML.

OpenBSD was forked from NetBSD.

Maybe most well known, Ubuntu was forked from Debian.

The more you push the more you're going to look like an idiot when investigative reporters start digging, and they find all the dirt on the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam. Get out now and save yourself, fucker.


I thought you were an SDC fan? By your argument Shadow is shit and shouldn't be supported because only Bytecoin is the true flag-holder for this technology. That's what you're saying right? That SDC is shit?


This is the part where I know you're a fucking moron. Jesus. Link us to the place where 'Monerians' say that BTC is a scam? But more than that, BTC's history is easy to find with fucking Google.

Satoshi's email from 01/11/2008, before Bitcoin's launch and genesis block: http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography%40metzdowd.com/msg09959.html

Satoshi's welcome email to the Bitcoin mailing list on SourceForge from 10/12/2008: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-list/thread/CHILKAT-MID-90b5da14-69c8-c4cb-d124-e88fbecfafd0%40server123/#msg21033408

Satoshi's email from 09/01/2009, announcing the launch of Bitcoin: http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography%40metzdowd.com/msg10142.html

Satoshi's post on the P2P Foundation Forum from 11/02/2009: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source

Bitcoin.org scrape on archive.org from 31/01/2009: https://web.archive.org/web/20090131115053/http://bitcoin.org/

How about you show us some shit like this from the months leading up to Bytecoin's launch and shortly after it? Oh that's right. You can't because it doesn't fucking exist.

Waaahaahaa, no they haven't, moronic fuckwit. Let's pretend that HitBTC isn't a scam with fake volume (I know, I know, but let's forget the bullshit for this) we can roughly calculate the total volume traded quite easily.

The (godawful) BCN website indicates that there are 184.47 billion BCN to be emitted. ChainRadar tells us the total coins emitted by March 12, 2014 (when BCN was "discovered", lol) as 147.95 billion BCN.

In order to find the total trade volume we use two JSON data sources: http://coinmarketcap.com/datapoints/bytecoin-bcn/volume/1403010113000/1438621454000/ (USD volume per day) and http://coinmarketcap.com/datapoints/bytecoin-bcn/price_usd/1403010113000/1438621454000/ (USD price per day) and divide the volume by the price to get the total BCN volume per day. Add this up and you get 119.05 billion BCN total volume.

So, shit heads, even if you were dumping your illicit stash 24 hours a day and nobody else ever bought and sold BCN you wouldn't have finished dumping the entire amount.

Liars, scammers, fucking asswipe scum need to learn that your scam isn't going to succeed. Give it up now.

Oh shit I forgot those.

Here's a link to all the dev work Bytecoin did from the beginning of 2012 until March 2014

Awwwwww shit, my nigga, the fucking champion cryptocurrency scammers are back from the dead! Well done on resurrecting your CryptoShit Bytemyass scam from certain death. I see you found some time to make pictures, congratu-fucking-lations on learning to use Corel Draw. Now instead of your scam bullshit why don't we talk about what a real open source project looks like and what your scam looks like. Here you go, retards.



Why don't you curl up into a ball and die like the lying scammer fuckheads you are?

It's only a short-term incentive. The real talent is always going to flow towards projects that aren't giant scams (Bitcoin for example) which means you can only ride the wave and pump the price for a few years before the house of cards collapses around you. Good scammers recognise this and move on to the next scam quickly enough.

Anonfile is being a piece of shit lately. Thankfully archive.org has saved copies.

whitepaper_v1.pdf, SHA hash 509da5d77428a8d26e75601fe9ac22d1f958d29a, https://web.archive.org/web/20140706225233/https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper_v1.pdf

whitepaper.pdf, SHA hash 5bafdd891c1459ddfd22d71412d5365de723fb23, https://web.archive.org/web/20140529235502/https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

I've updated the links in the main post.


No Charlie, it's not bullet-proof.


Monero is fixing the huge failings found in the CN protocol. https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf

But that's not really the point of the research. The point is that CN/BCN is a scam that is desperately trying to pretend it's legit, and thats some bullshit right there.

The forum is setup so that it doesn't show that he's logged in, you dumb shit.

This is a fucking retarded "marketing" effort.

If Satoshi Nakamoto wanted to create something new he'd publish a whitepaper that would unfuckingdoubtedly show off his deep grasp of both macroeconomics and the science of cryptography, not launch some shithole scamclonecoin.

Oh and satoshi sent me a message confirming it's not him:

The dev of this coin is a purchased account, so it's not coming from a Sr. Member. Ya'll are getting scammed.

OP updated, thanks for the clarification, dog.

Oh haaaai Alain. First time caller, long time listener. Any chance you could shove a Tweet up on https://twitter.com/alain to verify that it's really really you?

There's a lot that doesn't seem rational, don't you think? The closest answer in this thread that makes any sense to me is that the mastermind behind this falls within the autistic spectrum. They understand the tech, but can't rationalise or understand why their fake story isn't accepted by everyone at face value. Their reaction to this is childlike. Instead of bailing they double down and hope we've lost all sense of fucking intelligence. It's completely batshit insane.

It's almost as crazy as claiming that Bytecoin adding multisig is proof that Satoshi created Bytecoin:

So that's why it's used by at least 1 of those 7 other coins I mentioned, right?

Go play in the traffic, moron.

Boolberry has the same mail host, but the rest doesn't match up. I can't decide if Sabelnikov is the mastermind behind all of this and, after a fallout with the idiots running the BCN shill accounts, wanted to separate himself from them. Or he could still be involved with/leading them and this is their last-ditch way of keeping a finger-in-the-pie - HoneyPenny was meant to be a one-trick-pony and just add "Wild Keccak", but after they lost control of Monero they realised they were fucked and needed to have something completely separate and "clean". Or he could truly have split off from the herd and be on his own. Can't decide, but the lack of transparency from him makes BBR not even worth touching until his motives can be figured out or he tells us.


His early familiarity with the code gives his relationship with the CryptoNote developers away. Whether he did more than just write some/all of the code I don't know.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm not a high school chemistry teacher. I'm annoyed as fuck and I'm going to express my conclusion. Nobody is forced to agree with me.


This makes no sense. It doesn't matter how oppressive your state is, lying and trying to bullshit your way around a story is not a way you engender trust. Satoshi Nakamoto managed to remain anonymous and still have a transparent, open, and fair release. Why do it any differently?



THEY LIED TO US AND PURPOSELY DECEIVED US. I don't care what conclusion you draw from that, but fuck them and their dishonesty. You don't need to be blatantly dishonest unless you have nefarious motives.


Seriously bro, are you his nanny? Does he need a hug and a kiss from you?

You obviously struggle with reading comprehension, so I'll explain again. I don't give a fuck if Sabelnikov is personally responsible for every piece of spam I have ever received. Not a single flying fuck do I give. I have an issue with dishonesty and a lack of transparency. If Sabelnikov had introduced BBR by saying "oh hey, I wrote this epee library and a fuckton of Bytecoin code, but for reasons I won't reveal I'm doing my own coin" we would all have gone "well fuck me, this guy is the money". Even if he didn't say that outright at the beginning, he had the perfect opportunity to come out yesterday and say "people of the Internet unite! I am indeed Sabelnikov! And now I will tell you the true story of CryptoNote!" But he didn't, maybe because he's afraid of Putin knocking on his back door, maybe because he's afraid of the wackjob behind this whole sham breaking his kneecaps, or maybe because he is directly involved with them or is the wackjob in question.

I can't ascertain how involved he is because he refuses to tell us, so I am forced to assume his motives are impure and stay the fuck away from anything he touches.


What in actual fuck did I just read. I never spoke about non-English speakers at all, except for mentioning that Sabelnikov worked at two Russian security firms, and that the Reset CSS snippet was published in an article on a Russian website. Are these untrue or racist statements?

The only other time I mention language is when I say that the Bytecoin shills are easy to spot because "it's easy to see common grammar and spelling fuck ups". I know plenty of native English speaking Americans people that can't speak English for shit. I never once even implied that the shitty grammar was an indication of them not being native English speakers. How can you completely misunderstand something that is this basic??!!


"Disclaimer: I'm a butthurt BBR supporter, I may even be Sabelnikov's alt account. I'm against people insulting anything I like or presenting information along with an opinion of their own because nobody should have an opinion that doesn't exactly match mine."

Fixed that for you.

Nice catch, dog. I'll update the post.

neuroMoan, I added another section called "All Tied Up in a Bow" that goes further to prove the link between all the scamcoins. Go read it.

I'm not against new CN-based coins hitting the market, but given the evidence we've seen of the CryptoNote/Bytecoin fuckery it's best to treat them all with ridiculous amounts of caution unless a very well known member of the community is involved.

For fucks sake, can everyone stop talking about fucking Monero! I have nothing to do with Monero. I had to write about Monero because it WAS launched by the CryptoNote developers as Bitmonero, so it was unavoidable. But I still wanted to make clear the cavernous difference between Monero as it is today and Bitmonero as it was launched. If any other CryptoNote-based coin were to be launched/run/whatever by a person who is well known in this community (or a group containing more than one well known person) then I would point a finger at that too. As it stands, all of the CN coins are either obviously shady as fuck, or too insignificant to matter. Can we leave Monero the fuck out of this and focus on the scammy dipshits that started this whole thing? Good.

My post didn't initially have a donation address, I only put a donation address up because someone pm'd me and said I should get paid for the effort I put in. Fuck you too if you think I'm begging. Donating is not a fucking requirement nor does it invalidate what I said.

Then why use a bought account? Why buy an account in the first place unless you're trying to look legit? There is no legitimate reason to buy an account unless you're trying to scam people.

The SourceForge link between those four is also quite tenable. Nobody uses ShitForge anymore, definitely not for a cryptocurrency.

http://sourceforge.net/directory/?q=cryptocurrency - 36 projects including bullshit like Java GUIs for Bitcoin and cryptocurrency tickers.
https://github.com/search?utf8=✓&q=cryptocurrency&ref=cmdform - 1163 repositories including every cryptocurrency known to man.

It's possible, however unlikely, that the person that bought the OracionSeis account has since split off from the CryptoNote developers. It doesn't fucking matter, hiding behind a purchased account kills any hope of legitimacy. Until the developer is transparent and owns up to everything in great detail, QuazarCoin should be avoided like the scam it probably/possibly is.

Sleeping now, will respond to anyone when I'm up.