I start to see the correlation between Gulden price and Florin perfomance. Rijk won't give up on a new premine for himself? Force more negativity on Gulden until the community gives up and lets Rijk have a new premine?

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Why will I invest in a coin where the investor has to do the work and invest but investors have there own work to do. When I have invest in stocks or other cryptos like HEX it's not expected that I work to make the company or crypto a success.

This is nonsense. Gulden needs more exchange exposure, period. 1/3 of the bitvavo funds were already spent on something other than a euro-nlg pair therefore if those remaining funds aren't used for at least some kind of decent exchange listing (xt.com is at least a decent backup after bitvavo) then it is proof positive that Centure is just stealing money from the Gulden dev rewards and using them for purposes other than improving the Gulden project.
Also, how did those gulden funds get converted to BTC for the bitvavo listing in the first place? That's right they were dumped on Bittrex by Centure via Rijk! The sheer hypocrisy of Rijk pointing to "whale dumpers" when literally the biggest dumps over the past year were from the conversion of dev rewards to an exchange listing fund that hasn't even been used accordingly is simply beyond belief.

Take out 25-50% of the remaining dev reward as a premine, adjust the dev reward down by 25-50%. Won't this solve the development fund shortage and give the coin time to get back on track?

I want Gulden to succeed as much as you but don't want to be thrown under the bus because of low lives that have nothing better to do

There are many owners who want to see NLG (I think Indulgences or Ndulge has some branding potential) succeed regardless of administrative turmoil and executive greed. It's a great payment interface, has a good tech foundation, just needs some new life, some tlc to get it more internationally ready.
Between freelancers, new investors and contracting out Malcolm, the current chain can almost certainly be readily maintained in a properly decentralized manner. Imagine what could be done with a proper allocation of that 68% block reward by a revised team who know more about marketing and social media! And even on a technical leveI think it is even possible to take POW2 to the next level to POW3 (proof of work, witness and wisdom! the wisdom part being obvious: this project is no longer under the centralized storm cloud of RP and Centure!).

Hear me out, by leveraging the longstanding price history, NLGs veteran alt status, the fact it is still standing as a project, the fact that despite it being in a brutal bear market that could be finally coming to a close a potential massive bull cycle could be around the corner, and the controversy surrounding the decoupling from Centure--imagine, an investigative bounty could be paid to a major influencer like BitBoy Crypto or CoinBureau to do a feature report on all these controversial developments.
The chatter and new awareness would in all probability have an enormously positive effect on price. Such a potential turnaround would turn RP's face blue as everyone realizes the "new gulden" could just be another insider trading rip-off coin like Rijk always treated gulden while it was under the thumb of Centure and instead all investors flock to the original chain--A saga that is almost like the inverse of Ethereum. Shoot for the stars and we might land on the moon so to speak.

The story comes together. I smell desperation because without Gulden supplying him development funds , florin has no development or he is forced to sell his florin premine. This is why i see no big buy orders and when one biggish buy order came on the market at 300000 it was sold quickly.
I can see the pressure on the florin market and trading in the 200000 - 280000 next week but Rijk keeps saying how people are holding. My better judgment is telling me he is telling others to hold while he can sell the premine.

Another game.

Which 2014 coin had the biggest premine + block rewards and has done the worst by farrrr.

A. Syscoin
B. Groestl
C. Digibyte
D. Gulden

Not all the sell orders are yours but it's strange you telling people you don't have Gulden. What game you playing?

Rijk when you going to remove those sell orders?  Next time use a different bittrex address. LMAO

Rijk thanks for talking about bitcointalk in lounge. I didn't want to express my opinion on slack because I will look dumb and this forum I feel I can be more open with my thoughts.

Tomu thoughts is the same impressions I had, as a crypto newbie I had no idea we had to help make Gulden work if we invest in Gulden. It's true I didn't understand the concept of decentralization and as a guy that has his own life, family and work I can't do much
besides promote to people in my circle. The problem I find is most of these people are in my shoes where they can't contribute to Gulden by creating development,most know less about crypto then I do and I don't know a lot.

Is it possible to add to Gulden.com before people buy that they must contribute if they make an investment, if this was communicated better you will have less problems but understand it will scare people away if they have to work on it when they don't understand it.
It's why it's easy to scam people in this industry.

For young people who have a lot of free time and can code, Gulden is the perfect coin because of it's low value and can help turn Gulden into a gem. This might be your target audience , developers without work and you can use the premine to pay them.

Speaking for myself I am useless as a investor to this coin because I don't add value besides my purchases on bitcoinmeester before Gulden was delisted.

I got advise from a younger work college to invest in Hex last year and that is a coin where you can invest and pray the people behind it are not scammers. With this coin the community is not asked to do work when they invest and my small investment is up over 1000%. For people in my shoes coins like this are more attractive because no work is required from us. Most people have their own lives to lead and don't have time to help out in a practical way.

New account incoming.

I am also done with the BS, Malcolm respect for the work on Gulden but your founder is a real cunt to block an exchange listing opportunity.

With each block I notice a 65 reward is going towards development for Gulden. How is funding raised for Florin?

Is it the same developers working on both coins and do both coins share the costs equally?

Besides a new premine what do you think the future holds for Gulden? What will it take for Rijk Plaasman to reinvest in his own creation?

Gulden should have a dual setup.

A community leader that is knowledgeable and flamboyant and can get out their and promote Gulden as a leader. This leader gets paid a salary from the premine.
Rijk remains the leader of development and does not get involved with the community. Only manages development and development is paid monthly by the premine.
Premine in a multisig address between 3 people. Community Leader, Rijk and 1 other trusted person in the community.

The third person should have accounting skills and handle administration of all outgoing expenditure that can later be shown to the community.

This removes all the distrust of premine used for other nefarious reasons or Rijk using it for a family trust. 3 people keep a eye on each other.

Weren’t really whales dumping Remco ;-) only a few xfl where needed to flatten the curve. Stretched out order books.

I think spending money for a listing like XT as Gulden community is a bad choice also.
With Stex and Bittrex you have 2 already. Listing on XT wont magically get you more interest in the project

Rijk also spend time on charactor assassination in slack and not reading what is said and trying to bait people into getting lawyer letters. Albert did a good job in getting transparency from Rijk on the bitvavo funding, keep up the good work Albert!
I got a few messages on slack to say that Rijk only care about florin , you can see he is all double standards. When florin want XT exchange listing he like all happy but when Gulden ask he comes with a threat and adding another exchange will take the price down. He is a real shitbag with no soul.

Rijk trash gulden not me why is he desperate to get a Gulden premine ? think about it florin price go down he has to please a kickboxer champion who can fuck him up do you think he going to worry about gulden investors.

@longcon stay focus on gulden and not worry about Florin. Florin is a coin I will sell because rijk is nasty and mean person and when the price is higher. Florin has no heart and soul like gulden, gulden has all the passion because it can be big in the future.

Update is about 100 million premine and investors who buy have to put into witness for 3 years. Dev reward removed. This is a win because same supply and coin buyed on blockhut don't go to whales.