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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 12/02/2020, 23:11:19 UTC
Agriculture and Bitcoin may not sound aggreable or workable in the normal sense. However, where it could help you out is if you buy some Bitcoin hold for sometimes, then sell it when the price increase. You can then use the profit for crop cultivation. However, this may waste a lot of time as agriculture is all about seasons.

Another way is for you to seek out Bitcoin angel investors who can invest in your farm. The are willingly to invest provided you provide valid identification and also perfect plan of how to cultivate health lucrative crops.

Agriculture is a lifetime profitable business. For angel investors, check out https://angel.co/bitcoin/investors

I know this site. It's true it is very good site. I'd like to find investor who will like to try some ideas on our land! Our idea is how to use nature's technology for producing food. I want find invesments for developing of nature-friendly technology for farming.
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 12/02/2020, 23:03:45 UTC
My simple way of advising you is; make enough coin, when you sell, in regards to whichever aspect you want to invest in the agriculture, you may buy enough land, do mechanized farming, employ more hands, make good production. Then, you may involve the government to also support by investing into it. From there, whatever your product, it will be a benefit to your country at large.there are some agricultural organizations  that still invest in bitcoin even as project. You can get there.

Sorry but our government is not about to help people. Because it is Russia Wink Maybe in future it could be, but not now. Now I think how to help my business by own strange.
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 12/02/2020, 22:59:38 UTC
Hello all.

Please teach me how could I use a crypto for developing agriculture in my country?

Cheers.

I dont think I understand what you mean.  Maybe if there are unbanked individuals in your area they can use crypto to buy and sell agriculture products.  But as far as crypto helping developing agriculture I think you are looking at crypto wrong, I'm sorry.

I think I'm not looking at crypto wrong. I use crypto now. I want use better!
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 12/02/2020, 22:54:10 UTC
Well, Russia is a country with above average acceptance of Bitcoin. You can bargain with your suppliers (for fertilizer and pesticide) and request them to accept Bitcoin as a mode of payment. Apart from Bitcoin, you can implement the Blockchain technology to track the incoming supplies and the delivery of farm products to the whole sale dealers. I think already we have several Blockchain applications for that purpose.

We no need pesticides. We know how produce own fertilizer without chemistry (worms and/or biogas station). We develop our farm without pesticide!
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 12/02/2020, 22:48:36 UTC
That's a rather broad question. I think the best way to use it to help farmers is to create a crowdfunding platform to help them buy supplies for their farms and make BTC a payment option.

There are already some platforms doing this, like Cropital, so you'd already have an example to follow and then simply allow cryptos to be used, no need to make your own blockchain/alt. This would be more a charity since it wouldn't always be certain that there'll be a return on investments.

Thank you for an idea. I think how to use the TON blockchain for our site in future!
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 12/02/2020, 22:37:13 UTC
⭐ Merited by amishmanish (2)
I have an idea for speaking about it.
What do you think about this crypto scheme?

Cows -> Bio Gas -> Energy -> Asic mining -> Bitcoin for farmer -> Bitcoin for investors

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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 12/02/2020, 22:27:16 UTC
OP, if you want investment, then forget about it. However, if you have a farm and want to be involved in cryptocurrency, in theory, there might be some ways. Well, you could sell your crops in Bitcoin, but I doubt it will be handy. You can also utilize waste by creating a biogas power plant connected to the mining rig.

But again, it would be better if you just being an ordinary farmer, focus on the productivity of your crops, and forget about cryptocurrency. You could, however, save a little bit amount of money in crypto just in case this technology become mainstream.

No, man, crypto is a new opportunitie, and I will use it. And I use it right now!!!
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 12/02/2020, 22:24:28 UTC
It gave them an idea that it was this easy to make money out of it by just providing a vision of helping the agricultural sector. Be it with farmers, renewable energy and other stuff that can be connected to that sector.

Still, many are not closing the doors for the opportunity if there's an actual and legit project that will certainly provide a vision and proposal that's really aiming to get with the specific part in agriculture.

We did 2 plans
1. We write own plan and did ICO (we rased 0 funds and continiue own story on own resourses)
2. We bought analyze of our ICO and bought tokenomy plan from cryptoanalytic. But it is too complicate for me to realise this tokenomy  (I can share for you but only as google translated pdf if you want but it needs some time for translating)

Also cryptoanalitic found for us some famous agriculture projects. Before I go sleep, I want share it for you. Information was collected almost 1 year ago, some information can be not actual.
1. You failed on it and you still want to try it again. But if there's legitimacy to the projects that you will start working with, this will automatically  gain the likes of the people and investors but if it's nothing new, expect nothing.

2. No, thank you. There's no need to share it and I don't need it. Don't buy something that you don't actually understand, services or offers like that earn from people that are thinking of how easy it is to make money from what they have discovered.

Thanks to stompix, so most of those projects were scam and if not, a failure.

1. We tried the ICO, yes, but we are still farming our agriculture bussiness right now and using cryptomining to grow better. ICO was a second step to understand crypto opportunities for our bussines. Bad exp is exp, is not it? In fact, our token does not work for now. Any ideas? I don't understant how use tokens for my business. This thread is about this problem!
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 12/02/2020, 22:15:02 UTC
I think you can use blockchain technology.
Blockchain transforms the agricultural supply chain by simplifying the transition between producers and retail. Through the possibility of quickly identifying the sources as well as verifying deviations. If an irregularity is detected somewhere in the food chain, the system can take you to the point of origin, which makes investigations easier and more assertive, reducing the need for multiple conferences.
In this way, the entry point for small-scale farmers begins to look for opportunities. Entering the supply chain through the ease developed with the reduction of intermediaries becomes an opportunity.
If you have bitcoins then you can use them to buy supplies and machines for your agribusiness.

No, man. People in our country commonly are don't understand this opportunitie.
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 12/02/2020, 22:10:56 UTC
That depends on how you really want to use cryptocurrency in your business. You can decide to create an app that lets people invest in your farm land using cryptocurrency. Saying this because I have seen a company that did that in my country, but the difference would be that they are not accepting cryptocurrencies, we make payment using our debit cards.

But, you can do similar and allow people to invest using cryptocurrency if they wish, and within a fixed period like 6 months or so, they will make some profit. Or maybe you can allow people to purchase farm produce from you by using Bitcoin. I believe there are lots of ideas that you can come up, it all depends on what you really want.

Creating the app is not a good idea for us. I don't know programming so well. And I have no idea what I should do into the app for people. I have 170Ha, I need investments for developing of it. I don't need app, really.
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 12/02/2020, 22:07:39 UTC
There are blockchain projects that register the supply chain and link contractors to farmers.
Benefits for the farmer is that he can sell a product for a good price and not need to have the cash to pay contractors first.
It can create a trust chain and no coin is needed. I can bring you in contact with the organization that develops this.

It will be great but also I'd like to know details about it, if it's possible.
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https://www.agunity.com/
There is also e meetup group with tons of info: https://www.meetup.com/Blockchainfood/

Could you simply write what is project about?

For example: project gives the {} for the {}. You need only {}
Thanks
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 12/02/2020, 22:02:30 UTC
I have an idea. You can create a coin using which you can buy local agricultural products in your country.
I agree with this, they can take advantage of the technology and create their own coin with its sole purpose of helping develop our agriculture.

Yes, exactly!
Take advantage of the technology and create a coin that complicates everything!!!!

What would a new coin do other than giving farmers nightmares and sleepless nights?
Not only have people like my family care about the weather, diseases, price of crops, price of gas, now we would have to check every ten minutes the price of that shitcoin!

Tell me one, one damn advantage a token will have for a farming business and I will tell my parents all my relatives and all the villagers in my old town about it and I will shill for that coin 24/7 on this forum! One thing that could be done with a token and not bitcoin!

1. www.smartlands.io (Spain) - it is opportunities for real sector to recieve investments. But I did not write mail to them yet.
Yeah, from 24 millions to 500k$, no volume , no exchange!

2. https://www.pavocoin.com (site is dead) - Iot stuff for agriculture. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3227901
It was a scam!

3. https://agricoin.asia/ (site is dead) -

Another scam
4. http://biocoin.bio (Russia) - (site is not working). Real project, real story in Moscow, I buy foods sometime in Lavka Lavka lavkalavka.com.
Another scam

5. https://demeter.life/ - site is still working. Good idea for future, it is time for me to look again on this project.
Failed project

6. http://mashkino.club/ (Russia) - looks like a real project. The real business, but there are now english text inside.
Failed project

7. http://www.kolionovo.com/en/ (Russia) - famous Russian project. Story of success. Real farm, real people. Like!
 

Another fail with zero deliveries.


I think your meaning is very good for understanding that crypto tokens commonly is looks like as SCAM!

But people are real! Biocoin and kolionovo project are real. And they are not SCAM! I know Biocoin and Kolionovo leaders directly.

I'd like to move forward the question how to get investments for an agriculture people. If tokens are scam, ok. What next?
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 03/02/2020, 23:50:28 UTC
It gave them an idea that it was this easy to make money out of it by just providing a vision of helping the agricultural sector. Be it with farmers, renewable energy and other stuff that can be connected to that sector.

Still, many are not closing the doors for the opportunity if there's an actual and legit project that will certainly provide a vision and proposal that's really aiming to get with the specific part in agriculture.

We did 2 plans
1. We write own plan and did ICO (we rased 0 funds and continiue own story on own resourses)
2. We bought analyze of our ICO and bought tokenomy plan from cryptoanalytic. But it is too complicate for me to realise this tokenomy  (I can share for you but only as google translated pdf if you want but it needs some time for translating)

Also cryptoanalitic found for us some famous agriculture projects. Before I go sleep, I want share it for you. Information was collected almost 1 year ago, some information can be not actual.

1. www.smartlands.io (Spain) - it is opportunities for real sector to recieve investments. But I did not write mail to them yet.
Our cryptoanalitic wrote:
"At Medium: Smartlands is a global platform for tokenizing the assets of the real economy by issuing Security Tokens
Smartlands: a breakthrough platform that provides an opportunity for any agribusiness tokenize their assets and attract investments from crypto investors. Crypto investors will be able to invest in asset-backed tokens and discover agribusiness as a new investment market.1
The platform offers tokenize any business from the real sector. After the audit, a certain number of tokens will be issued corresponding to the assessment of the company's fixed assets. Required: the presence of a real working business, financial statements for the previous 2 years (preferably), a detailed business plan." (google translate)

2. https://www.pavocoin.com (site is dead) - Iot stuff for agriculture. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3227901
Our cryptoanalitic wrote:
"The creators of Pavocoin claim that they will be able to “pump” the farming sector with the help of IoT and cryptotechnologies and take it to a new level. A high-tech approach is put at the forefront regarding sowing, cultivation, and processing / harvesting / delivery of crops. There is reason to consider the project a scam." (google translate)

3. https://agricoin.asia/ (site is dead) -
Our cryptoanalitic wrote:
"Agricoin (AGC) works without borders, which allows the process of payment and transfer of agricultural products worldwide.
AGC Blockchain: In addition to existing similar cryptocurrency platforms that have already established themselves and are well known, Agricoin (AGC) promotes further compatibility and flexibility with other blockchain technologies.
Agricoin (AGC) is not only a technology, but we are promoting the idea of ​​fair and ethical business practices in agricultural industries. We occupy a position as a connecting infrastructure among the components of agribusiness, such as farmers, farmer cooperatives, financial institutions, storage and distribution systems, the commodity market, initial communities and many others.
3 members from Asia and the only way to contact is LinkedIn.
With a high degree of probability, we can say that the scam project and there are no technological innovations behind it" (google translate)

4. http://biocoin.bio (Russia) - (site is not working). Real project, real story in Moscow, I buy foods sometime in Lavka Lavka lavkalavka.com. Boris Akimov created token in time not good for bitcoin. Look https://coinmarketcap.com/ru/currencies/biocoin/. Sad.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2169384

Token is still cryptocurency but I don't know how to buy biocoins Smiley

Our cryptoanalitic wrote:
"BioCoin is creating a vibrant ecosystem that supports local communities and green businesses, builds a network of socially responsible companies around the world, and accelerates the global adoption of organic agriculture, sustainable development, and responsible consumption.
Despite a strong PR, the Bio team has not yet been able to fully justify the investor community, and probably in the future, the consumer community. But, the existence and success of the project confirm that in Russia there is a demand for quality products from local farms and the category of clean products." (google translate)

5. https://demeter.life/ - site is still working. Good idea for future, it is time for me to look again on this project.

Our cryptoanalitic wrote:
"Demeter is the revolution of organic food through blockchain technology. We are creating the Growfounding concept, an opportunity for users to “rent” Micro-Field directly from farmers and grow the products you want as they see fit.
The Demeter platform will allow people from all over the world to rent micro-fields in different corners of the planet and engage in agriculture. Thanks to transparent technology, users will not overpay and will be able to decide how to cultivate the land themselves. Or you can just buy agricultural products anywhere you like.
Another project without bright features, without a prototype, and with the idea "For all the good""  (google translate)

6. http://mashkino.club/ (Russia) - looks like a real project. The real business, but there are now english text inside.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2286600.0

7. http://www.kolionovo.com/en/ (Russia) - famous Russian project. Story of success. Real farm, real people. Like!
Our cryptoanalitic wrote:
"The Kolionovo Ecosystem project is aimed at creating and conducting extensive testing of the local economy model and raising funds for the development of real production of agricultural goods and services. The KOLION marker is based on the Waves chain and is used as the main currency in the ecosystem." (google translate)

I think it is enough for today. Thank you for attention.


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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 03/02/2020, 22:18:12 UTC
First I would like to Thank you for taking such step or even thinking about it.
I do think that Agriculture and cryptocurrencies are way way apart but I do think there is something you could do.

If you do feel comfortable you can create a website which sells the products directly from the farmers without any middle men and you can start receiving payments in bitcoins itself , do give them some discounts if they are paying in bitcoins because you know When you eradicate the middle men you are gonna save up a lot for the farmers and this profit , even 1-2% of it can be used to give discounts for the people paying in cryptocurrencies.

Thank you for the excelent idea. I think it can work in Europe or somewhere else but in our country it can be a little risky because we have no laws about bitcoin. We can sell bitcoin via fiat but I afraid to sell production via bitcoin.

In fact, some people are selling illegal things hiddenly in the darknet. Crypto is good for this, is not it? Without law I don't want sell like this.
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 03/02/2020, 22:08:17 UTC
You can begin a crypto based installment application for ranchers, application can give security on ranchers' income and can settle shoppers' expense on fruit,vegetables, grains, and so on.
Utilizing crypto-based installment application can be center point for national agricultural markets.

It is too complicated for us. We are farmers, we are not about to write application for crypto-investors.

I do not plan on offending you but I just would like to say that Agriculture itself is a job , not even a job but it's something people cherish because it has been passed down from generations to generations and you know I do think that it is the most vital job one can ever do.

In our case, this is our job for last 5 years only. If you know, our country was a Soviet union in the past. There was no farmers. There was colectives of people without private property. Property was common for all. Machines was producing by goverment plan. But it is old story, I'd like to speak about real time, not about past Smiley

We started as farmers again from zero because of it.
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 03/02/2020, 22:04:34 UTC
There are blockchain projects that register the supply chain and link contractors to farmers.
Benefits for the farmer is that he can sell a product for a good price and not need to have the cash to pay contractors first.
It can create a trust chain and no coin is needed. I can bring you in contact with the organization that develops this.

It will be great but also I'd like to know details about it, if it's possible.

To supply we must to grow plants on our land. Now we can grow only small part without special machines.
So our problem for now is to get cheap credits for buying agricultural machines, seeds and special equipments. And we should store foods because in the Autumn price on agriculture is very low.

If get some bitcoins we also must have a good rating in cryptoworld, but it is really complicated. We created infovacuum around our farm for 1 year and realised some crypto project and worked hard on farm. I got credit and bought 1 tractor, some equipments and some mining rigs. Now I sell bitcoin, sell some food and return money to bank. It is real story how to develop with crypto. But my credit limits is not so high to cover land 170Ha.

I don't want get credits in bitcoin. Bitcoin can be 50000$ after several years, I think it is too risky for agriculture business and own reputation. I cannot sell all production via bitcoin because in local area people don't use bitcoin. And I don't know how to use tokens for real investors.

I thought about series of smart contracts for small aims. Like smart contract for buying tractor and equipments for growing plants, smart contract for the simple warehouse to store food until Spring, smart contract for the biogas producing machine, smart contract for the biogas generator of electricity. It are just ideas.

I created this thread to understand should I go in this direction or not? Or do I need to search agriculture partners like banks or private local investors?

Sorry for mistakes, English is not my native language.
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 03/02/2020, 20:49:33 UTC
I have an idea. You can create a coin using which you can buy local agricultural products in your country. In this case, people or some organizations or shops that want to buy this products will be required to start buying this coin. Since the coin is constantly bought on the exchanges, the price of this coin is constantly growing. The creators of this coin (the ministry of agriculture of your country) receive a lot of money because of this. As a result, everyone is happy, people have local goods, agriculture is flourishing and in demand.

I think it does not work. Local people don't know how to use bitcoin. We're selling products for fiat right now.


Perhaps I did not understand the essence of the matter a little, but it is possible to connect cryptocurrencies and agriculture.
The most obvious example is to issue a token that can be exchanged for a certain amount of your products, this can be useful if your country has an unstable national currency.
Or you can do an ICO / IPO to expand your business, through the issuance of tokens for the rapid development of your economy.

We did ICO but it was a not success story for selling tokens Smiley but our farm are growing and growing up. https://www.coingecko.com/ru/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8E%D1%82%D1%8B/ecopole

I agree with this, they can take advantage of the technology and create their own coin with its sole purpose of helping develop our agriculture.

It does not work. Examples: banana coin, milkcoin, Biocoin, etc.

In reality I right now can create a new token with name CowGold and selling it on the Etherdelta, because I have a lot of cow's excrements on my farm, but local people don't know about Ethereum and Etherdelta. And people from Etherdelta no need CowGold. I joked about CowGold but I hope you understood my irony.
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 03/02/2020, 20:11:02 UTC
For the ICO, there's no need to do this. I think there were projects before that aimed to help the agricultural sector and economy by providing their tokens but it wasn't really effective and useful at all. It was abused and just became a source of wealth collection for the side of the developers.
Yes,this method of raising funds was very discredited by various types of SCAM, which were very common earlier, but if various guarantees of the return of funds, with competent white paper, in a painted financial plan, are provided, then this can be very good.

I thought a lot about that. This is the most complicated thing for me is how to give and keep guarantees of the return of funds. I thought about smart ETH contracts but I have no idea how to create system of returning based on ETH.

I know how to return funds only if I use cryptomining. But for mining it needs electricity. I have a some cheap electricity (about 20kW). And I can get electricity from biogas but it is complicated project which also needs money.
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 03/02/2020, 17:10:50 UTC
What exactly do you mean by agriculture development? Like as in, developing the land you just said and making it grow using crypto? Or is it a research-based agricultural development that you would want to obtain? Either way, crypto isn't going to help you. I mean, both endeavors require money, yes, but using fiat or crypto doesn't make any difference. What makes a difference is the talent you have in managing/researching the so-called "development" you would want to have.

Crypto isn't some magical seed you can plant and it grows a beanstalk that has technology far advanced than the current civilization, it's just fiat. A mode of payment for transactions BUT is unregulated by the government. Thats it.

I agree and disagree with you. I'm using cryptominers like heaters for warming my farm house and animals and getting bitcoin payment from nicehash.
But I don't know how to use the crypto for agriculture projects, how to attract investments or crowdfunding money.
What I can for now it is use my own abilities and abilities my old partners

I did ICO in last year. But imho it does not work like this. I cannot to simply create tokens and simply receive investments  Smiley
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Re: agriculture and bitcoin
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rockminer1
on 02/02/2020, 02:26:36 UTC
I have a land 170Ha. But have not a lot of currency for developing a good story. I do good story by small currency for now, but it is story for many years. And it is because I created thread, please teach me! How could I use a crypto for agriculture development?