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Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
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ru0chen
on 25/11/2023, 14:38:53 UTC
Don't know wether scammer are still causing harm to the world, and don't know wether  good people will receive good rewards.
Ten years have passed, am I the only one still concerned about this matter?  ru0chen@qq.com
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Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
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ru0chen
on 23/09/2015, 13:31:36 UTC
Graet, can you dare to come back and read again what you ever wrote in here?
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Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process
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ru0chen
on 30/04/2015, 07:43:22 UTC
Putting your head in the sand and hide isent the solution Ukyo, come back to the forum as soon as possible and explain whats going on and make the promised payments.
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Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
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ru0chen
on 30/04/2015, 07:41:41 UTC
Putting your head in the sand and hide isent the solution Great, come back to the forum as soon as possible and explain whats going on and make the promised payments.
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Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
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ru0chen
on 13/02/2015, 06:29:10 UTC
It seems that I am the only one continue watching this post
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Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process
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ru0chen
on 16/01/2015, 00:57:00 UTC
the price is not so high when UKYO stolen our Bitcoins......
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Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
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ru0chen
on 16/01/2015, 00:41:21 UTC
Quote from: lunarboy on January 08, 2015, 12:35:25 PM
Is anyone taking legal action here?  Huh

I'm not taking legal action, but will be willing to pay 5% of the loan to legal expenses (which is 0.75 BTC in my case). I believe this should be more than enough to cover the initial legal expenses, assuming the BTC price doesn't fall dramatically, and half of the lenders take part (the calculation: total loan * percent for legal action * percent of participants = 2000 * 0.05 * 0.5 = 100 BTC ~ 27,000 USD ).

I suggest 15% of that to go to the (reputable) member in charge of administrating the lawsuit. Unfortunately, I don't have the reputation to do that.

If you're willing to be responsible of such a lawsuit, please reply to this comment and mention if you have relevant experience / qualifications.

Also reply to this comment if you're willing to take part in such a lawsuit, and pay 5% of your loan for the expenses.

Thanks!

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yes , I want to take part in this lawsuit! I willing to pay 5% of the loan which is 9.15BTC
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Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
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ru0chen
on 21/10/2014, 04:03:42 UTC
Quote from: thy on October 09, 2014, 01:20:22 AM
Quote from: bigasic on October 03, 2014, 11:07:05 PM
With the price plummeting like it is can only benefit lenders... I think that caused a lot of the issues, the price of btc skyrocketed, could be wrong. I, too have been screwed over by something similar...
I think the original problems for Graet goes back to when his mining pool had some bug in its payoutscript 2013 and they payed out 900? btc to much.

Then his loan on BF for 2 000 btc was as far as i understand partly used to pay back people that first loaned him the 900 btc that he was short and i think a large part of the remaining around 1100 btc was probably invested in btcstocks, when the two bitcoin stock exchanges btct.co and bitfunder had to close business many of his stocks lost a lot of value as i understand it, a 500-600 btc(50/60%) loss i think it was that graet himself mentioned, what happened to the remaining around 500 btc stock values after the initial big drop i have no ide.

His miningpool havent come back to the levels it was at back in the earlier mining days but it was doing pretty good for the months aug and sept this year when avalon pointed 1/2 there miners at his pools but it looks like avalon has left his pool some weeks ago, no ide why that is the case.

The lower price of bitcoin that we have seen recently should of course be a great time for graet to move some IRL assets into BTC if he wants to clear a large part of his btcloan debt, the mentioned 200 000 dollars would have bought around 667 BTC @ 300 usd/btc and if he had a buyorder at btc-e back earlier this year when it dropped down to even lower level he could possibly have BTC assets of well over 1000 btc, maby even over 1500 btc(if he managed to save the remaining 500 btc stockassets from btct.co/Bitfunder) by now, but i guess its a matter on how he have prioriticed things and what actions he has taken to fix his BTC debt problem.

does your meaning is graet is still have ability to repay the debt?
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Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process
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ru0chen
on 20/09/2014, 07:02:41 UTC
does anyone get the reply from ukyo?
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Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
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ru0chen
on 20/09/2014, 06:54:18 UTC
does anyone get the 1% reply? I get nothing~~~
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Re: BTS：通俗易懂说“锚定”
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ru0chen
on 27/08/2014, 02:30:34 UTC
看看《BTS的市场锚定机制怎么可能做到？？？》这篇贴子吧，你口袋里的购物卡可以和人民币1:1兑换吗？
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BTS的市场锚定机制怎么可能做到？？？
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ru0chen
on 27/08/2014, 02:27:33 UTC
    许多BTS的脑残粉用了一大堆复杂的道理，讲了“BitUSD所扎根的共识在于：1 BitUSD的价值应该和1美元的价值相等。”（[flash]http://www.yibite.com/article-4592-1.html[/url]），还有人专门做了讲解片（http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzYwNjIxMTY4.html）来对BTSX锚定机制做讲述，我撇开那些把人脑袋要弄晕的大道理，只讲三个身边发生的真实的事，让大家明白同样是钱，也有不同的。
     在我所在的三线城市，有个特别大的集团叫国贸，城市里最大的几个联锁超市甚至医院、宾馆和旅行社都是辖下单位，所以他们发行了一种“国贸券”，凭该券可以换到生活中各种常用的东东，相信各位所在的城市一定也有类似的兑换券或者提货券或者储值卡之类的。他们理论上是等价的，你去国贸超市买瓶洗发水所用的国贸券和现钞是完全一样的。我甚至亲眼看到一个同事借了别人几百元钱还不了钱时，掏出几张国贸券问这个行不行，对方苦笑一下也收下了。那么真的等值吗？不！你去国贸超市门口总能碰到一些黄牛党，回收国贸券，比例一般是九折；也有些单位发福利，会去这些黄牛党手中买国贸券，一般九五折能买到。
     当然，也不是说现钞就一定好，我再举一个例子。你拿一百美元钞票或存折上的一百美元余额去银行换人民币，换的数量是不一样的，通常现钞会换得少，原因是银行收了你的一百美元现钞没法弄，他得攒上一段时间够数量了再递送到总行，总行还得找到对手盘去接你的这些钞票，这些都会增加银行的成本，自然换给你的就会少些，这个术语叫“现钞价”和“现汇价”，不懂的去百度一下吧。
     第三个故事有点冷门，如果你是七零后或更早，应该有印象国家以前发行过“粮票”，买吃的除了付钱还要配上对应的粮票才能买到，“全国粮票”走到哪都可以换东西吃，而“本地粮票”只能在当地换，于是要出差的人就满世界找人换粮票用。后来管理没那么严时粮票已经成了第二人民币，可以单凭粮票直接买到东西了——这时候差价就出来了，同样是一斤粮票，全国的和省内的和地方的价就不一样！
    这三故事告诉我们，一旦你所拥有的“钱”使用范围受限，必然价值会打折。那么我们想想USD可以做什么？可以是中国和日本的国家储备货币，可以买俄罗斯和中东的原油，也可以在家门口的地摊上买一个火机……那BitUSD可以做这些吗？如果做不到，你凭什么和USD来个1:1的兑换？？？
    如果坚持非要用1:1的比例强制兑换会是什么后果？很简单你就想像一下国贸门口有个傻B居然按面值兑换国贸券就知道了。有时候道理就是这么简单，很想问一下BTS的脑残粉们，你们说一下人话会死呀？
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Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
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ru0chen
on 27/08/2014, 02:05:42 UTC
I'm readlly willing to join a lawsuit too
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Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
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ru0chen
on 14/08/2014, 23:36:09 UTC
Graet if you want me to stop asking your friends what you have done and how i can contact you, you should explain the situation here public or send my coins back. I know you read this.

If your plan is to stay it out and forget it, it will not work Smiley, many of us wont give up.
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Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process
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ru0chen
on 14/08/2014, 23:33:11 UTC
Ukyo if you want me to stop asking your friends what you have done and how i can contact you, you should explain the situation here public or send my coins back. I know you read this.

If your plan is to stay it out and forget it, it will not work Smiley, many of us wont give up.
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Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process
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ru0chen
on 26/07/2014, 12:37:01 UTC
I would like to join a lawsuit for weexchange, if there is one, assuming a reasonable cost. I lost most of my BTC,  Please contact me here or via PM.
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Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
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ru0chen
on 26/07/2014, 12:30:43 UTC
julz:  I would like to join a lawsuit for Graet.Loan, if there is one, assuming a reasonable cost. I lost more than 183 BTC. Please contact me here or via PM.
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Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
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ru0chen
on 10/07/2014, 07:31:41 UTC
Hi,

I would like to join a lawsuit for Graet.Loan, if there is one, assuming a reasonable cost. I lost more than 183 BTC. Please contact me here or via PM.

Thanks!
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Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process
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ru0chen
on 10/06/2014, 04:19:33 UTC
SebastianJu : I have a lot of graet.loan and I want to sue graet too. I wish to know how to sue him as you did , can you help me ? thank you!
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Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
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ru0chen
on 10/06/2014, 04:03:04 UTC
graet: give back my money!