obviously, no one is going to be convinced of the other side's opinion on hopping. both sides bring up valid points, but i don't see any legal evidence to backup the claims of fraud, deception, or theft. it's just different interpretations of math. as stated by a previous post, it is more an issue of taking advantage of those not aware of certain facts about hopping, which is not illegal. why is it the responsibility of the pool to provide such information about hopping? a pool tells you its payment method which is all you need to know. information about hopping and how it works on different payout methods is freely available. heck, there are even mathematical papers written on it referred to earlier in the thread. where is the intentional deception, the fraud? is it in the pool not telling you that their pool is susceptible to hopping? this information is not hidden by the pool; it simply requires you to do a minimal amount of research. maybe if the pool didn't tell you the payment method you could claim fraud but all the math is open for anyone to see. it is the responsibility of the miner to choose their pool, and if they choose poorly because they failed to inform themselves of certain facts it remains the miner's decision and the miner's responsibility. i mine where i choose to because i can, because there are no restrictions as to how, when or where i mine. i believe that is a great asset of bitcoin.