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Re: TMR ASIC project introduction
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schua
on 27/08/2013, 01:46:56 UTC
Which part of china you are located? can arrange pick up?

We are in Shanghai.
You can pick up the TMR miner from our office if you are in Shanghai.
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Re: TMR ASIC project introduction
by
schua
on 27/08/2013, 01:29:04 UTC


Thread claiming stuff we can never verify, in order to launch another thread with a preorder.


That's a very smart guess.

But I can guarantee you that we will NEVER do a preorder.

We only sell goods in stock. That's how we did in CHINA. And we will continue to do that in the future.

All our first-generation product has been tested before we sold to China users.

Right now 66 miners have been sold to about 40 different chinese customers on Taobao.com, and some customers also buy it for the second time.

Taobao.com is chinese Ebay.  We can only receive the money if customer receive the good and feel satisfied.

In fact, about ONE month ago, we post the Chinese version of this introduction on bitcoin talk at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=268174.0  

And we think it is appropriate to post this English intro version until we have some real customers.

So now here it is.
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Re: TMR ASIC project introduction
by
schua
on 27/08/2013, 01:05:21 UTC

"Only available in China."

...

So you came here to tease us with a product that we can't buy?

Or, were you just trying to show off?  Tongue

Or... Huh

Sorry, please let me explain it.

In fact, we hope to sell to international customers.
However, the TMR 2.2GH/s miner's weight is about 1.1KG (2.4Pounds).
So the international logistic fees will be very expensive.

But if there's anyone outside China want to buy the miner , and don't mind the expensive international express fee,
you can send us the email or message.
We'll figure out how to send the miner to you.

http://www.tmr-asic.com/photo/org/endproduct.jpg
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TMR ASIC project introduction
by
schua
on 26/08/2013, 23:04:44 UTC
Our BTC project is named as TMR (http://www.tmr-asic.com/index_en.html), which comes from "The Miner". This project was started from the beginning of this year, and targeted on high efficiency Btcoin computation ASIC for, and distribution scheme of future computation power systems.
We had already completed the first-generation ASIC for Btcoin miner, which is based on one traditional and cheap 153nm CMOS process, with normal computation ability of 144MH/s, as some optimization had been done on RTL code. Actually, this first ASIC is used for verification and design experience for Btcoin computation ASIC, and the result is quite good, as listed below. These results will make good basis for coming next-generation full-speed Btcoin ASIC, and reduce the risk of high-cost and new CMOS process which will be used.
Since we make the first-generation ASIC based on low-cost CMOS process, so this price of these exited ASIC is still competitive enough to be build up as these miner machines.

Review of Our progress in this year:
A. We completed preparation works at February, and started the ASIC design at March.
B. The front-end and back-end of ASIC design were completed before 26th, Apr.
C. The fabrication process was started in the foundry at 9th, May.
D. The first package of testing ASIC was delivered at 28th, Jun.
E. The functions of first ASIC have been tested completely, and a lot size of miner machines are in production period at 1st Aug.
F. We start to sell 2.2GH/s miners on TAOBAO.com at 16th, Aug.  Now the customers have given a lot of positive feedbacks. http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.47.HFf7Uk&id=21969451511&initiative_new=1&initiative_new=1

Test results of this ASIC is as below:
A. The single ASIC works well, and running speed is 144MH/s.
B. The stage connection function of several miners works well.
C. The system software and hardware works well, and keeping in stable operation mode until now.

On-sale miners based on previous ASIC
A. Component: Each miner has sixteen pieces of TMR ASIC, with one board, one 9V supply, and one piece of USB connection.
B. Speed: theoretical speed as 2.3GH/s,and actual running speed is around 2.2GH/s (According to miner pool results)
C. Power consumption: around 26W
D. Interface: One USB port is used to connect with computer
E: Software: Special modified Cgminer software is provided.
F. Attachment: The router is provide to connect with TMR miner, so TMR miner can be mining without computer support.
G: Others: multi-miner operation mode is supported, then several TMR miners can be stage-connected to be one powerful miner with only one USB port.

Our merits:
A. Our ASIC design targets on final system cost, so PCB boards are only requested to provide power supply, clock and one usb2uart interface. Based on these, multi ASIC modules can work together without any other peripheral circuits.
B. The stage-connection technology of several miners can been verified based on our existed platform.
C. The potential experience on high computation power distribution.
D. All team members are senior technicians and management with over ten years experience, and working together for almost ten years for one team, and several successful consumer electronics chips with KK level sales monthly.
E. Good relationship with financial market, as senior consultant from famous investment companies, banks and other fund companies.

We are working on:
A. We will distribute computation power system widely, and preparation work of miner sales.
B. Optimization work for previous RTL design, and 40% area had been reduced for coming Full Mask production of the second-generation ASIC.
C. More funding are organized to complete the Full Mask production of coming second-generation ASIC.

Future objectives:
A. To provide high efficiency miner hardware project.
B. To provide completely distribution scheme of miner computation power system.

http://www.tmr-asic.com/photo/org/work.jpg
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Re: 矿机TMR 独立调研报告
by
schua
on 18/08/2013, 03:10:33 UTC
     TMR团队的先期运作完全是自毁招牌。看到淘宝产品描述页面里TMR直接注明:"因此在您购买此矿机时,请充分了解此风险,即有可能买此矿机投入的钱可能永远无法赚回本。"这才是业界良心啊,甭管价格高低!人家提醒小白了!不像杨骗子啊打着赚钱的旗号坑了多少小白啊!凭这句话就说TMR靠谱之前我要说下,在矿机发布多天前,TMR官网上就写着“TMR全新比特币芯片 每16颗芯片打造一台矿机 多台矿机便捷级联,极具性价比”,但是却一直不公布售价。有多少人是冲着这句话加了群的?每天我都在TMR群里看到大家都在TMR极具性价比,是业界良心的,都在热切的期盼售价的公布。待到16号公布的时候,骂声一片。
     另外,采用这种资本垄断,团队获利的盈利模式对BTC社区有百害而无一利。这将导致BTC中心化的进一步加剧,危害BTC网络的稳定性。
     以上两点,我认为TMR不值得尊敬,这样的团队还是越少越好。
确实如此,结果看出销量不咋嘀居然就说:卖不出自己部署,边部署边卖。。。这话听着真是让人搞笑,主要是那业界良心与极具性价比的巨大反差,让人看到矿机行业没一个靠谱的。

边部署边卖是正常的做法。
跟销量没有任何关系。
不管我们怎么定价,都会这么做的。

如果你有矿机产品在卖,请问有更好的方式吗?
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Re: 矿机TMR 独立调研报告
by
schua
on 18/08/2013, 03:01:20 UTC
     TMR团队的先期运作完全是自毁招牌。看到淘宝产品描述页面里TMR直接注明:"因此在您购买此矿机时,请充分了解此风险,即有可能买此矿机投入的钱可能永远无法赚回本。"这才是业界良心啊,甭管价格高低!人家提醒小白了!不像杨骗子啊打着赚钱的旗号坑了多少小白啊!凭这句话就说TMR靠谱之前我要说下,在矿机发布多天前,TMR官网上就写着“TMR全新比特币芯片 每16颗芯片打造一台矿机 多台矿机便捷级联,极具性价比”,但是却一直不公布售价。有多少人是冲着这句话加了群的?每天我都在TMR群里看到大家都在TMR极具性价比,是业界良心的,都在热切的期盼售价的公布。待到16号公布的时候,骂声一片。
     另外,采用这种资本垄断,团队获利的盈利模式对BTC社区有百害而无一利。这将导致BTC中心化的进一步加剧,危害BTC网络的稳定性。
     以上两点,我认为TMR不值得尊敬,这样的团队还是越少越好。

嗯,官网是一个月前做的,主要是看到市面上的烤猫现货价格实在太贵了,
当时算了一下我们的成本,分摊掉前期一些一次性费用,感觉能比其他现货便宜好多,
所以也没有考虑很多,就写了这个宣传文字(当然这也是我们的最终目标,从芯片设计阶段我们就在这么考量)。

这一个多月来难度确实变化太大了,我们也没料到,最近太忙没有顾及到官网,所以有了这样的结果,
我想说的是这是个动态的过程,并非我们的本意。

至于我们的成本,
第一批小批批的成品成本跟大规模上量后的成本有很大差距的。
另外我们第一版的板子从设计角度为了确保容易定位bug,也完全没有做成本压缩上的考虑。
而且我们也适当要摊销一部分一次性投入(mask,制板,贴片都有些一次性费用)。

所以最后:
如果按成本价来卖,当然也可以,但我们最终权衡再三(主要考虑到我们的供货能力)还是订下了这个价格,让您失望了。
而这个价格,是定位给研究者用的。所以我们在淘宝说明上把挖矿风险提示得非常清楚。

另外,我想说,只有当一个行业充分竞争时,您心目中的“业界良心”才会出来,
因为他们会有一定的资本实力,利用一些创新型的方式来赢利。
起码比特币挖矿行业目前还没到达到这个阶段。

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Re: 难道真的没有可以回本的矿机? Smart矿机预售公告
by
schua
on 06/08/2013, 01:39:57 UTC
我是投资人之一,本来实在不想预售,但是最近看到很多人购买了几乎无法回本的矿机,实在于心不忍。因为我们并不缺资金,所以可以暂时超低价不记mask成本预售,只为占领市场份额,并且用国内第二大交易平台做担保如果延期可随时退还全部预定金额。

这位弟兄已经活跃很久了,披露过做芯片的事,应该是真实的。
喜欢忽悠的人通常不会那么耐心,不会提前很久打埋伏。

我相信这位兄台说的也是真实的,的确在做40nm的芯片,
不过我一直在芯片公司工作,虽然不了解你们的具体情况,但有几句想说的:

1.
芯片delay非常正常的。可以认为是常态。

2.
芯片回来,离真正的矿机还很远,系统硬件上的一点点改动就会让时间周期拉长几周到几个月不等。
特别是如果你们的团队在美国,就更困难了。

3.
投一笔钱,成立一个公司,再找几个资深的技术人员来做,可能技术上验证、测试什么的都没问题,
但是如果他们之前不是一个团队并熟悉芯片公司运作的所有流程,那么很可能在芯片产业链的各种地方碰到意想不到的问题,
这样需要非常长的时间来磨合。

虽然是竞争对手,不过还是祝楼主好运,能很好的解决这些问题。

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正式介绍一下TMR比特币芯片的相关信息
by
schua
on 05/08/2013, 01:55:11 UTC
之前在btcman.com论坛上发过一个简单介绍贴,引起了很多朋友的兴趣,
现在在这边发一个比较详细的帖子公开介绍一下我们的这颗芯片及相关信息:

我们取名为TMR  (www.tmr-asic.com),来源于 “The Miner” 其中的三个字母,
于今年年初成立,目标是研发高效率的比特币计算芯片与算力系统部署方案。

我们已经成功研发并投产了第一代比特币计算芯片,
第一代芯片选用了较为落后的153nm工艺,因此现在单颗芯片的计算能力比较弱,约144MH/s,
这种选择,其主要目的是为了低成本的获得比特币计算芯片的设计经验和系统集成能力,
能为第二代的全速芯片打下基础,降低高制程的新工艺流片风险。
而且由于我们芯片流片成本较低,做成矿机在成本上依然能保持一定的竞争力。

回顾整个过程:
A. 我们2月底结束调研,3月份正式开始芯片设计。
B. 4月26号完成芯片的前后端全部设计工作。
C. 5月9号foundry厂开始生产。
D. 6月28号,收到第一批封装好的的测试芯片。
E. 8月1号,芯片基本功能已全部测试正常,现正大批量生产矿机电路板。
F. 8月16号,正式在淘宝上发售2.2GH/s的现货矿机 http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=686.1000925.1000774.16.7X4jPg&id=21969451511

此芯片经过6月底开始的测试,得到的结果如下:
A. 单颗芯片数字逻辑工作正常,运行速度为144MH/s。
B. 多台矿机级联功能正常。
C. 系统软件与硬件方案配合工作正常,一直持续稳定工作至今。

配套此芯片推出的矿机(直接提供现货,不预售):
A.构成:每台矿机含有有16颗芯片。由一块电路板,一个9V电源和一条USB线组成。
B.速度:理论速度2.3GH/s,实际在2.2GH/s上下波动(矿池的统计值)
C.功耗:26W左右
D.接口:矿机有一个USB口与电脑进行通讯。
E.软件:电脑运行定制过的Cgminer进行挖矿。
F.配件:可提供支持挖矿的路由器配件,无需电脑也能挖矿
G.其他:支持多矿机级联,可将多台矿机级联成只需一个usb接口的单一矿机


我们的优势:
A. 芯片设计以最终系统成本为导向,矿机PCB系统板上仅需供电,时钟和一个usb2uart,无需任何其它外围电路即可实现多芯片协调工作。
B. 多矿机级联技术已在现有平台上经过验证。
C. 大算力系统部署和集成经验。
D. 团队成员都是ic设计行业12年以上的资深技术与管理人员,近十年一起作为团队工作,并已成功推出过多款市场畅销的消费类电子芯片(月KK级别)。

现阶段的工作:
A. 正在大规模开展算力的部署,以及矿机销售的准备工作。
B. 已对前期实现的逻辑电路重新优化,已经减小约40%的面积,并正在为第二代芯片Full Mask做准备。
C. 正在筹集资金进行第二代芯片的FULL MASK。

今后的目标:
A. 提供性价比高的矿机硬件产品
B. 提供完整的矿机布署解决方案


另外很多热心朋友提了不少问题和建议,我们统一回答如下:

矿机销售比特币还是人民币支付?
我们销售方面的人手有限,为了方便起见,统一支付人民币。


为什么工艺这么落后?
我们是2月份才开始准备的,当时希望在流片费投入很少的前提下验证我们的技术,
并同时保证有一定的算力。
我们比较谨慎,只有在得到充分验证的情况下,我们才会考虑全新的工艺。


另外新浪微博上有我们目前测试的级联矿机的图片http://weibo.com/tmrchina


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Re: 比特先锋团队主导翻译的Bitcoin.org简体中文版已正式上线
by
schua
on 03/08/2013, 01:07:12 UTC
很不错的翻译,支持你们。
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Re: 兰德矿局的来历和秘密
by
schua
on 25/07/2013, 12:24:30 UTC
   兰德早期是和蝴蝶沟通代理中国区蝴蝶的售后服务,为了取悦蝴蝶公司页面很早就是这样子,很多人都联系蝴蝶想要做中国区代理销售蝴蝶,都被拒之门外。但是兰德另辟蹊径谈的是蝴蝶的售后服务,当然也得到了蝴蝶公司的相对重视,简单说这就是兰德做事出发点与众不同的效果。
    所幸的是期间矿机开发成功了,也就没必要继续沟通做蝴蝶的售后代理。以此做猜测、推断兰德也不能怪大家有疑问,但还是略显武断。其实大家也不用那么着急的对兰德妄下定论。不妨继续多关注兰德,这对每一位比特币爱好者都是有好处的。
    至于对兰德羡慕、嫉妒、恨的其他别有目的的朋友,恶意攻击有意思么?兰德所代表的是贫民挖矿,的确是动了太多人的奶酪,不过诸位大佬级的“高级黑”。能否用一些诚恳点、宽容点的态度对待竞争对手。的确兰德新生公司还很嫩,但并不代表你们恶意攻击,就可以轻易扼杀"兰德"。回应你们的将会是兰德全体成员会更加努力的做好自己,真诚的回报客户。兰德每一各成员都深受高价矿机的压迫,所以才会共同集资创立了这么个贫民矿机公司。
    日久见人心,请拭目以待,高级黑们,留下你们的名字,也拭目以待吧!兰德会以行动给与你们回击。。。。


真会编故事,
你们研发芯片的人,已经是产业链的上游了,
还会去联系蝴蝶做代理?骗谁呢。