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And how does that explain why we are getting punished for the mistakes of others? And if adam and eve made a mistake isnt it God fault for not making them good enough?
The corruption is in the genetics. We are in a lineage that includes their corrupted genetics.
God told them that they could eat the fruit of all the trees in the Garden except one. He did this to give them the free choice to do right rather than wrong, to glorify God for His greatness of creating them. The choice they were supposed to make was to NOT eat of that one tree. It was easy... they had all the rest of the trees to eat from.
It would have been to the benefit of Adam and Eve and us all if they had glorified God by obeying Him. He glorifies us, at times, through praise when we do good things. Just think how great His praise would have been of us if we had abstained from eating the fruit through all these thousands of years.
It was our choice, just like abstaining from sex until we are married is our best option today.
Isn't Eden just metaphor? That tree was "tree of knowledge" imho. At one point we simply found out that we can do bad things - destroy, hurt.. kill because of (/or thanks to) our free will. Maybe that was the point when everything went wrong and that's why it's written in the bible.. It wasn't real place imho.
How does freewill aply to a kid dying right now in africa, there are hundreds that have done nothing and they are dying because of starvation, god could save them but he choses not to
This is a difficult question to answer.
One of the answers is that none of this will be remembered or brought to mind after it is over. The important point is the status that each individual will hold in the hereafter.
Kid dying in the Africa? What about free will of it's parents? Or free will of the soul born which soon found out it was a horrible mistake? It sounds crazy but maybe the soul decided to found out how suffering feels. Soul can't imagine it without experience. Another explanation could be that the body can't exist without a soul and some poor soul was "grabbed" there.. Just guessing here..
And how does that explain why we are getting punished for the mistakes of others? And if adam and eve made a mistake isnt it God fault for not making them good enough?
The corruption is in the genetics. We are in a lineage that includes their corrupted genetics.
God told them that they could eat the fruit of all the trees in the Garden except one. He did this to give them the free choice to do right rather than wrong, to glorify God for His greatness of creating them. The choice they were supposed to make was to NOT eat of that one tree. It was easy... they had all the rest of the trees to eat from.
It would have been to the benefit of Adam and Eve and us all if they had glorified God by obeying Him. He glorifies us, at times, through praise when we do good things. Just think how great His praise would have been of us if we had abstained from eating the fruit through all these thousands of years.
It was our choice, just like abstaining from sex until we are married is our best option today.
Isn't Eden just metaphor? That tree was "tree of knowledge" imho. At one point we simply found out that we can do bad things - destroy, hurt.. kill because of (/or thanks to) our free will. Maybe that was the point when everything went wrong and that's why it's written in the bible.. It wasn't real place imho.
If God exists then he is a BAD God a malevolent God, why would he decieve us like this? Why wouldnt he just show us that he exists plain and simple. Why would he let accidents happen or a baby dying when that baby hasnt done anything wrong? If heaven exists why doesnt he take us there already instead of making us suffer?
Maybe he created us (souls) and gave us free will to experience his ability to create by creating our own experiences. Some souls maybe decided to take part in his experiment some didn't. I believe that everyone at least think sometimes about him (some do much much more - creating religions, forcing their believes to others etc.) because deep inside we just know him.
Maybe we just forgot everything as soon we were born to our bodies. Maybe some souls are born to "wrong" parents who shouldn't have kids. Maybe some souls suffer simply because of other soul's actions. God has nothing to do with it. He can't break free will of anyone because his experiment would fail - ended prematurely. Maybe he want us to remember and find out how great his experiment (The universe) is "from the inside" without him exposing whole truth.
My last crazy guess: Maybe he didn't create the Universe, maybe he became one and we are "him". Maybe he just want to find out who/what he is by us and our bodies (eyes,ears..) Maybe that's why we have consciousness. Sorry for my bad english, I'm just trying to think outside of the box, that's all.
Thank you all, great to see that some bitcoiners are philosophers too. What do you guys think about "universe as computer simulation" theory? http://io9.com/5950543/physicists-say-there-may-be-a-way-to-prove-that-we-live-in-a-computer-simulation this could mean that God is a programmer and the Universe as well as us are "just" complex programs.. Paper: https://www.fat.bme.hu/student/pub/Programozas3/SimulationArgument.pdf
I actually asked my computer science professor about this today and from his point of view (he is researching AIs/ fractals/ chaotic systems etc.) and he told me that it's pretty obvious that the universe is computing "something".. he is atheist though.
I actually asked my computer science professor about this today and from his point of view (he is researching AIs/ fractals/ chaotic systems etc.) and he told me that it's pretty obvious that the universe is computing "something".. he is atheist though.
If there is any God, like in God being a superior being it wont be the God from the bible or any other religion.
Yeah, that's exactly what I think.
Thank you all, great to see that some bitcoiners are philosophers too. What do you guys think about "universe as computer simulation" theory? http://io9.com/5950543/physicists-say-there-may-be-a-way-to-prove-that-we-live-in-a-computer-simulation this could mean that God is a programmer and the Universe as well as us are "just" complex programs.. Paper: https://www.fat.bme.hu/student/pub/Programozas3/SimulationArgument.pdf
I actually asked my computer science professor about this today (he is researching AIs/ fractals/ chaotic systems etc.) and he told me that it's pretty obvious that the universe is computing "something".. he is an atheist though.
I actually asked my computer science professor about this today (he is researching AIs/ fractals/ chaotic systems etc.) and he told me that it's pretty obvious that the universe is computing "something".. he is an atheist though.
Still waiting for the scientific proof. After all the thred is called that. Almost 200 pages with ribbish? Where is the proof?
Agree, this thread is a mess, I wish I had better english to contribute.. what about this post?
I personally dislike term "God" simply because it's connected with religion(s) so I prefer "Creator" or "Designer".. Is it even possible for us to talk about something beyond space and time without any personification? The Signs of God's Existence documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS1x-6al2pE
I watched it all, here are references for their "proof":
Golden ratio discovered in quantum world: Hidden symmetry observed for the first time in solid state matter:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100107143909.htm
Solid-state physics: Golden ratio seen in a magnet:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7287/full/464362a.html
Is there connection between golden ratio and God? Do we at least know what's consciousness? And what about Noetic sciences?
http://www.noetic.org/about/what-are-noetic-sciences/
Is there even a way to scientifically prove God's existence?