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Quote from: Bitalo_Martin on November 05, 2014, 03:04:51 PM

Here is the full initial email communication. I will add more attack logfiles asap.

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From: DD4BC TEAM <dd4bc@outlook.com>
To: Martin Albert <martin@bitalo.com>
CC: "fabio@bitalo.com" <fabio@bitalo.com>, "antti@bitalo.com"
   <antti@bitalo.com>, "pawel@bitalo.com" <pawel@bitalo.com>, "mauro@bitalo.com"
   <mauro@bitalo.com>, "michael@bitalo.com" <michael@bitalo.com>,
   "isaac@bitalo.com" <isaac@bitalo.com>, "maciej@bitalo.com"
   <maciej@bitalo.com>, "lilia@bitalo.com" <lilia@bitalo.com>,
   "felix@bitalo.com" <felix@bitalo.com>, "peter@bitalo.com" <peter@bitalo.com>,
   "sebastian@bitalo.com" <sebastian@bitalo.com>, "trevin@bitalo.com"
   <trevin@bitalo.com>, "christian@bitalo.com" <christian@bitalo.com>,
   "michaelg@bitalo.com" <michaelg@bitalo.com>, "fabiob@bitalo.com"
   <fabiob@bitalo.com>, "support@bitalo.com" <support@bitalo.com>,
   "martin.albert@gmx.net" <martin.albert@gmx.net>
Subject: RE: DDOS ATTACK!
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 15:33:53 +0100
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Let me know if you are interested.=20

From: dd4bc@outlook.com
To: martin@bitalo.com
CC: fabio@bitalo.com=3B antti@bitalo.com=3B pawel@bitalo.com=3B mauro@bital=
o.com=3B michael@bitalo.com=3B isaac@bitalo.com=3B maciej@bitalo.com=3B lil=
ia@bitalo.com=3B felix@bitalo.com=3B peter@bitalo.com=3B sebastian@bitalo.c=
om=3B trevin@bitalo.com=3B christian@bitalo.com=3B michaelg@bitalo.com=3B f=
abiob@bitalo.com=3B support@bitalo.com=3B martin.albert@gmx.net
Subject: RE: DDOS ATTACK!
Date: Sat=2C 1 Nov 2014 13:47:16 +0100

=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
To end this and because I'm in a good mood today=2C I will offer you a disc=
ounted price of 0.5 BTC=2C so we end this and I move further.

If yes: 17aLGgw8AwJdqiBtMMG1QtQJgNQQkiyEsp

If not=2C this is my last email to you and we will both be doing what we mu=
st...

From: dd4bc@outlook.com
To: martin@bitalo.com
Subject: RE: DDOS ATTACK!
Date: Sat=2C 1 Nov 2014 12:59:43 +0100

=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
Let me go back to important part:

In a first mail I have told you that I'm offering info how to properly prot=
ect your site. And that's true.

I'm not script kiddie and I know how this works=2C I can bypass =0A=
almost any protection (except Prolexic)=2C because I know every protection=
=0A=
and their weaknesses - I'm regulary DDoS-ing sites behind CloudFlare and I=
ncapsula=2C Blacklotus=2C Staminus and OVH.

I know what I can't bypass and if I can't - nobody can.=20

When I say info how to properly setup=2C I mean how to do it for a good pri=
ce. Yes=2C you can always go for Prolexic and pay 10K per month.

From: dd4bc@outlook.com
To: martin@bitalo.com
Subject: RE: DDOS ATTACK!
Date: Sat=2C 1 Nov 2014 12:39:33 +0100

=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
OMG=2C no! That hurts!

What am I going to do if I lose my Outlook account... LOL.=20

You know what's funny?

This morning I dreamed that somebody=2C somehow=2C found my real name and =
published it in a press release... And there was my name all over the Inter=
net... When I woke up=2C I laughed.

Because it's possible only in a dream.

DDoS attacks are impossible to trace back to origin. You can try over email=
logins like you are doing=2C but there are two things:

- Microsoft will not give you my IPs just like that. You need to report me =
to your local police in Finland=2C then THEY must ask for my login directly=
from Microsoft or through FBI.

- Once they (and IF=2C because they probably won't care) get my login IPs=
=2C they will point to TOR...

And third=2C probably most important=2C you are not helping yourself doing =
this.

Date: Sat=2C 1 Nov 2014 12:58:11 +0200
Subject: Fwd: DDOS ATTACK!
From: martin@bitalo.com
To: dd4bc@outlook.com=3B abuse@Outlook.com

Dear outlook team=2C
we want to report a criminal abuse of your mail system (see mail below) and=
would like to request all login data from the user so that we can forward =
these to the local police authorities
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: DD4BC TEAM <dd4bc@outlook.com>
Date: Sat=2C Nov 1=2C 2014 at 4:57 AM
Subject: DDOS ATTACK!
To: "martin@bitalo.com" <martin@bitalo.com>=2C "fabio@bitalo.com" talo.com>=2C "antti@bitalo.com" <antti@bitalo.com>=2C "pawel@bitalo.com" awel@bitalo.com>=2C "mauro@bitalo.com" <mauro@bitalo.com>=2C "michael@bital=
o.com" <michael@bitalo.com>=2C "isaac@bitalo.com" <isaac@bitalo.com>=2C "ma=
ciej@bitalo.com" <maciej@bitalo.com>=2C "lilia@bitalo.com" m>=2C "felix@bitalo.com" <felix@bitalo.com>=2C "peter@bitalo.com" talo.com>=2C "sebastian@bitalo.com" <sebastian@bitalo.com>=2C "trevin@bital=
o.com" <trevin@bitalo.com>=2C "christian@bitalo.com" <christian@bitalo.com>=
=2C "michaelg@bitalo.com" <michaelg@bitalo.com>=2C "fabiob@bitalo.com" iob@bitalo.com>=2C "support@bitalo.com" <support@bitalo.com>=2C "martin.alb=
ert@gmx.net" <martin.albert@gmx.net>

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=0A=

=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=

HelloYour site is extremely vulnerable to ddos attacks.I want to offer you =
info how to properly setup your protection=2C so that you can't be ddosed!M=
y price is 1 Bitcoin only.Right now I will star small (very small) attack w=
hich will not crash your server=2C but you should notice it in logs. Just c=
heck it.I want to offer you info on how I did it and what you have to do t=
o prevent it. If interested pay me 1 BTC to 17aLGgw8AwJdqiBtMMG1QtQJgNQQkiy=
EspThank you. =20
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=0A=

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Let me know if you are intereste=
d.

From: dd4bc@outlook.com
To: mart=
in@bitalo.com
CC: fabio@bitalo.com=3B antti@bitalo.com=3B pawel@bitalo.c=
om=3B mauro@bitalo.com=3B michael@bitalo.com=3B isaac@bitalo.com=3B maciej@=
bitalo.com=3B lilia@bitalo.com=3B felix@bitalo.com=3B peter@bitalo.com=3B s=
ebastian@bitalo.com=3B trevin@bitalo.com=3B christian@bitalo.com=3B michael=
g@bitalo.com=3B fabiob@bitalo.com=3B support@bitalo.com=3B martin.albert@gm=
x.net
Subject: RE: DDOS ATTACK!
Date: Sat=2C 1 Nov 2014 13:47:16 +010=
0

=0A=
=0A=
=0A=

To end this and because I'm in a good mood today=2C I will=
offer you a discounted price of 0.5 BTC=2C so we end this and I move furth=
er.

If yes: 17aLGgw8AwJdqiBtMMG1QtQJgNQQkiyEsp

If not=2C this=
is my last email to you and we will both be doing what we must...
style=3D"color:rgb(51=2C51=2C51)=3Bfont-family:'Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetic=
a=2CArial=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-style:normal=3Bfont-variant:=
normal=3Bfont-weight:normal=3Bletter-spacing:normal=3Bline-height:21.875px=
=3Btext-align:start=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-transform:none=3Bwhite-space:n=
ormal=3Bword-spacing:0px=3Bdisplay:inline !important=3Bbackground-color:rgb=
(250=2C250=2C250)=3B">

From: =
dd4bc@outlook.com
To: martin@bitalo.com
Subject: RE: DDOS ATTACK!
=
Date: Sat=2C 1 Nov 2014 12:59:43 +0100

=0A=
=0A=
=0A=

Let me go back to important part:

In a first mail I=
have told you that I'm offering info how to properly protect your site. An=
d that's true.

I'm not script kiddie and I know how this works=2C I =
can bypass =0A=
almost any protection (except Prolexic)=2C because I know every protection=
=0A=
and their weaknesses - I'm regulary DDoS-ing sites behind CloudFlare and I=
ncapsula=2C Blacklotus=2C Staminus and OVH.

I know what I can't bypa=
ss and if I can't - nobody can.

When I say info how to properly set=
up=2C I mean how to do it for a good price. Yes=2C you can always go for Pr=
olexic and pay 10K per month.

From: =
dd4bc@outlook.com
To: martin@bitalo.com
Subject: RE: DDOS ATTACK!
=
Date: Sat=2C 1 Nov 2014 12:39:33 +0100

=0A=
=0A=
=0A=

OMG=2C no! That hurts!

What am I going to do if I l=
ose my Outlook account... LOL.

You know what's funny?

Th=
is morning I dreamed that somebody=2C somehow=2C found =3B my real name=
and published it in a press release... And there was my name all over the =
Internet... When I woke up=2C I laughed.

Because it's possible only =
in a dream.

DDoS attacks are impossible to trace back to origin. =
You can try over email logins like you are doing=2C but there are two thing=
s:

- Microsoft will not give you my IPs just like that. You need to =
report me to your local police in Finland=2C then THEY must ask for my logi=
n directly from Microsoft or through FBI.

- Once they (and IF=2C bec=
ause they probably won't care) get my login IPs=2C they will point to TOR..=
.

And third=2C probably most important=2C you are not helping yo=
urself doing this.

Date: Sat=
=2C 1 Nov 2014 12:58:11 +0200
Subject: Fwd: DDOS ATTACK!
From: martin=
@bitalo.com
To: dd4bc@outlook.com=3B abuse@Outlook.com

=3D"ltr">

Dear outlook team=2C

we want to repo=
rt a criminal abuse of your mail system (see mail below) and would like to =
request all login data from the user so that we can forward these to the lo=
cal police authorities

---------- Fo=
rwarded message ----------
From: DD4BC =
TEAM <=3Bdd4bc=
@outlook.com>=3B
Date: Sat=2C Nov 1=2C 2014 at 4:57 AM
S=
ubject: DDOS ATTACK!
To: "martin@bi=
talo.com" <=3B martin@bitalo.com<=
/a>>=3B=2C "fabio@bitalo.com" <=
=3B fabio@bitalo.com>=3B=2C "ef=3D"mailto:antti@bitalo.com">antti@bitalo.com" <=3Bo:antti@bitalo.com">antti@bitalo.com>=3B=2C "bitalo.com">pawel@bitalo.com" <=3B>pawel@bitalo.com>=3B=2C "mauro@b=
italo.com" <=3B mauro@bitalo.coma>>=3B=2C "michael@bitalo.com" =
<=3B michael@bitalo.com>=3B=2C=
"isaac@bitalo.com" <=3B=3D"mailto:isaac@bitalo.com">isaac@bitalo.com>=3B=2C "to:maciej@bitalo.com">maciej@bitalo.com" <=3B@bitalo.com">maciej@bitalo.com>=3B=2C ".com">lilia@bitalo.com" <=3Blilia=
@bitalo.com>=3B=2C "felix@bitalo.=
com" <=3B felix@bitalo.com>=
=3B=2C "peter@bitalo.com" <=3Bhref=3D"mailto:peter@bitalo.com">peter@bitalo.com>=3B=2C "mailto:sebastian@bitalo.com">sebastian@bitalo.com" <=3Blto:sebastian@bitalo.com">sebastian@bitalo.com>=3B=2C "lto:trevin@bitalo.com">trevin@bitalo.com" <=3B n@bitalo.com">trevin@bitalo.com>=3B=2C "italo.com">christian@bitalo.com" <=3Blo.com">christian@bitalo.com>=3B=2C "o.com">michaelg@bitalo.com" <=3B">michaelg@bitalo.com>=3B=2C "fa=
biob@bitalo.com" <=3Bfabiob@bita=
lo.com>=3B=2C "support@bitalo.c=
om" <=3B support@bitalo.com&=
gt=3B=2C "martin.albert@gmx.net>" <=3B martin.albert@gmx.net=
>=3B

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Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-st=
yle:normal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont-weight:normal=3Bletter-spacing:norm=
al=3Bline-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:start=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-trans=
form:none=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-spacing:0px=3Bdisplay:inline !importa=
nt=3Bbackground-color:rgb(250=2C250=2C250)=3B">Hello
or:rgb(51=2C51=2C51)=3Bfont-family:'Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Cs=
ans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-style:normal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont=
-weight:normal=3Bletter-spacing:normal=3Bline-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:=
start=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-transform:none=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-s=
pacing:0px=3Bbackground-color:rgb(250=2C250=2C250)=3B">
gb(51=2C51=2C51)=3Bfont-family:'Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csans-=
serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-style:normal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont-wei=
ght:normal=3Bletter-spacing:normal=3Bline-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:star=
t=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-transform:none=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-spaci=
ng:0px=3Bbackground-color:rgb(250=2C250=2C250)=3B">(51=2C51=2C51)=3Bfont-family:'Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csans-se=
rif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-style:normal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont-weigh=
t:normal=3Bletter-spacing:normal=3Bline-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:start=
=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-transform:none=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-spacin=
g:0px=3Bdisplay:inline !important=3Bbackground-color:rgb(250=2C250=2C250)=
=3B">Your site is extremely vulnerable to ddos attacks.
color:rgb(51=2C51=2C51)=3Bfont-family:'Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=
=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-style:normal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3B=
font-weight:normal=3Bletter-spacing:normal=3Bline-height:21.875px=3Btext-al=
ign:start=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-transform:none=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bwo=
rd-spacing:0px=3Bbackground-color:rgb(250=2C250=2C250)=3B">
or:rgb(51=2C51=2C51)=3Bfont-family:'Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Cs=
ans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-style:normal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont=
-weight:normal=3Bletter-spacing:normal=3Bline-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:=
start=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-transform:none=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-s=
pacing:0px=3Bbackground-color:rgb(250=2C250=2C250)=3B">:rgb(51=2C51=2C51)=3Bfont-family:'Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csan=
s-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-style:normal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont-w=
eight:normal=3Bletter-spacing:normal=3Bline-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:st=
art=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-transform:none=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-spa=
cing:0px=3Bdisplay:inline !important=3Bbackground-color:rgb(250=2C250=2C250=
)=3B">I want to offer you info how to properly setup your protection=2C so =
that you can't be ddosed!
-family:'Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=
=3Bfont-style:normal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont-weight:normal=3Bletter-sp=
acing:normal=3Bline-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:start=3Btext-indent:0px=3B=
text-transform:none=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-spacing:0px=3Bbackground-co=
lor:rgb(250=2C250=2C250)=3B">family:'Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=
=3Bfont-style:normal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont-weight:normal=3Bletter-sp=
acing:normal=3Bline-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:start=3Btext-indent:0px=3B=
text-transform:none=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-spacing:0px=3Bdisplay:inlin=
e !important=3Bbackground-color:rgb(250=2C250=2C250)=3B">My price is 1 Bitc=
oin only.
ca Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-style:nor=
mal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont-weight:normal=3Bletter-spacing:normal=3Bli=
ne-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:start=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-transform:no=
ne=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-spacing:0px=3Bbackground-color:rgb(250=2C250=
=2C250)=3B">
eue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-style:normal=
=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont-weight:normal=3Bletter-spacing:normal=3Bline-=
height:21.875px=3Btext-align:start=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-transform:none=
=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-spacing:0px=3Bbackground-color:rgb(250=2C250=
=2C250)=3B"> Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-style:norma=
l=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont-weight:normal=3Bletter-spacing:normal=3Bline=
-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:start=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-transform:none=
=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-spacing:0px=3Bdisplay:inline !important=3Bback=
ground-color:rgb(250=2C250=2C250)=3B">Right now I will star small (very sma=
ll) attack which will not crash your server=2C but you should notice it in =
logs. Just check it.
ly:'Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfon=
t-style:normal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont-weight:normal=3Bletter-spacing:=
normal=3Bline-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:start=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-t=
ransform:none=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-spacing:0px=3Bbackground-color:rg=
b(250=2C250=2C250)=3B">
Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-st=
yle:normal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont-weight:normal=3Bletter-spacing:norm=
al=3Bline-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:start=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-trans=
form:none=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-spacing:0px=3Bbackground-color:rgb(25=
0=2C250=2C250)=3B">lvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:14px=3Bfont-styl=
e:normal=3Bfont-variant:normal=3Bfont-weight:normal=3Bletter-spacing:normal=
=3Bline-height:21.875px=3Btext-align:start=3Btext-indent:0px=3Btext-transfo=
rm:none=3Bwhite-space:normal=3Bword-spacing:0px=3Bdisplay:inline !important=
=3Bbackground-color:rgb(250=2C250=2C250)=3B">I want to offer you =3B in=
fo on how I did it and what you have to do to prevent it. If interested pay=
me 1 BTC to 17aLGgw8AwJdqiBtMMG1QtQJgNQQkiyEsp
b(51=2C51=2C51)=3Bfont-family:'Helvetica Neue'=2CHelvetica=2CArial=2Csans-s=
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The fact of the matter is: You got what you deserved. You programmed a website with vulnerabilities and vulnerabilities still exist in it according to a recent scan. You are stupid, bitcoin wallets should be kept on your PC not online. Dumbass, if you are that dumb to program a insecure website then in my opinion you got what you deserved. Take it as a life lesson