OK so you're most likely right. So we should concentrate in doing everything we can to get something back and then just forget about it and move one.

I have filled out MrTeal's questionnaire, signed the petition, called the Saskatoon police, will make a local US report, reported the fraud on Canada online fraud reporting place, contacted the newspaper, called the Digital Mining Store and left a message, come up with my own "ingenious insight into Jason predicament," and am now ready for all the profanity that is my due because of excess posting. Is there anything missing in the list? I haven't called D. Boyko or Dave Boyko from Saskatoon, but that's the only thing I won't do, so knock yourselves out if you want to do it, but remember there are innocent people out there.

Good point. I forgot about that. However maybe it's an additional crime to specifically target foreigners with criminal activity.

I made a report to the Royal Canadian Mounties online Anti-Fraud Centre. The website is working now for me.

I also received a call back from Valerie, the civilian assistant to Officer Failler. She reports that she cannot start a case unless a Saskatoon resident makes a complaint, so if there are any readers of this thread who are from Saskatoon and are not showing their normal returns and are worried about this all falling apart like the rest of us are worried, you might be the one to get some action finally going.

Otherwise Valerie, who according to department procedure won't give her last name, reported that all of us in the states and Canada have to make a report to our local police and they then are supposed to send a report to the Saskatoon police. You are supposed to tell the officer you spoke with Valerie (so do call her before making the report) and to give the officer Valerie's direct number: 306-975-8243. This is the normal procedure for fraud like this. Write to me if you want to know the time frames involved.

Valerie reported she is not a an officer but a civilian. By the way I saw a reference to other responsibility of officer failler. He has to deal with about 1000 stolen autos in Saskatoon every year, show please show some sensitivity to what goes on in that office besides fraud and this possible particular one.

Finbad, great job. I just wrote a note Dave Deibert ((306) 657-6279) ddeibert@thestarphoenix.com and Sean Trembath ((306) 657-6263) strembath@thestarphoenix.com, the online editors to make them aware of what is going on if they have not been notified by you all yet.

I'm calling Sgt. Failler and/or his assistant in a few minutes.

Following what I said earlier, I think Jason obviously either is a victim of blackmail or not. However if he wants to move forward it may not matter whether the persecution claims are true anyway. However, if he is the victim as such, as I said before he may have been lured into buying even cheaper "wholesale bitcoin mining contracts" than what he was selling. So then last week they say "Surprise, there is no generation of BTC and by the way the coins we were feeding you were actually a loan" or something similar "and furthermore we want pay-back with 22% interest or we harm you and/or family and let your customers know they are a victim of a ponzi scenario."

So let's say that is actually what happened. Sorry for confusing the issue earlier in thinking he too was a victim of a larger ponzi scheme that is falling apart now, but that certainly is possible too. However I think ponzi schemes are traps investing providers fall into and they are too weak willed to come clean until it is way too late. I doubt that another weak willed provider of a larger ponzi scheme in this case would be credibly threatening him and/or his family. Instead I think it simply a case where he is victim of loansharking on a multi-million dollar scale, and I believe the loans of BTC came from an international source like Russia or China. I suppose there even could be more than one source of them. At least I think this is the scenario he wants us to believe.

So the question is now, what should he do if indeed this is the case or even if he is pretending this is what happened?

• My suggestion to him is to in fact, buy BTC on the open market with his own and/or family borrowed money. Ironically of course, his family will not have loan sharking terms for him but hopefully give him interest free money. My thought, I reiterate, is he does come from a family of big money and that's why he was able to make his website work as smoothly as it has for almost a year. My thinking is he is used to very high expectations and has legitimate business connections and knowledge that let him operate at this level. I bet there have been family members who have been warning him all along that things sounded fishy and he should be very careful etc. Note: so far I don't think he is doing this a the BTC price has stayed around $350 for the last few days and I'm guessing if someone is trying to buy 1000's of bitcoins the price would be rising quickly.
• He then should pay off the loan sharks for every BTC they have provided to him over the past year that they claimed was derived from mining, along with say 22% interest they are blackmailing him for. He can then wipe his hands clean of the loan sharks.
• Next and definitely concurrently, he should refund also with BTC purchased on the open market with Canadian dollars or just dollars flat out, all who have lost faith in him with BTC at the rate at which they bought GHs at. He could also add a bit of interest for the inconvenience of breaking the contract too .
• Then for his remaining customers he should do the hard and expensive work of finding legitimate wholesale providers like any good business person and again he needs again to pay for this out his and/or his family's pocket.
• Finally he needs to cooperate with Sgt. Failler, The Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre and this forum and come completely clean about what happened and what he has done and will be doing as he is doing it. Are any Americans having any luck with the Anti-Fraud Centre site? I'm trying to get a key and all. In the wee hours it errored out on me. Now it says it doesn't recognize my Email so I have to reregister.

And let me reiterate this is going to be extremely expensive for him literally, emotionally and mentally, but if the is the scenario that occurred or even if it is just what he wants us to believe this is what is going on and he has some honesty as a business person and human being it is a way out and a way forward. He needs to pay off anyone who wants an immediate refund in Canadian dollars say at 150% of the going rate for GHs right away and he needs to be under law enforcement supervision right away too.

I suppose that is plausible. He could have himself lured into a ponzi scheme in buying THs/GHs at even lower wholesale prices than what he offered to us the customers who are second hand casualties. The supplier could now be blackmailing him, threatening his safety and his family's safety if he reveals the sham that they are. In other words I think, he could be a victim of a massive loan sharking system that leant him a huge amount of btc and now they want it back with interest or else.

OK say that is what is going on. What would be the best response for PB customers then? I think it is we should be suggesting ways he can deal with the issues, if this were true. So maybe there really should be discussions on two levels here. One is to assume he is innocent sort of at least (if this is true, he probably smelled a rat from the start but went ahead with it anyway because as I will argue later he comes from big money and there are high expectations of him) and that he is now in way over his head. The other is he is some special kind of criminal and we can continue with that line here in this thread.

If for instance he was hoodwinked in some grand fashion, it might be because he comes from a wealthy social class where the truly big schemes are pitched to. My suggestion to him in this case would be to use his and his family's possibly considerable wealth to make this right on all sides and to accept the loss and the life lesson that comes with it. He can certainly pursue things legally against his blackmailers too if he knows how to do it safely but he should pay back at least most or all to his customers who put all this valuable faith in him during this year.

MrTeal, I've entered my info on your Google Form. Thanks. I also filled out bennynjetz's petition.

Out of curiosity, if there is any recovery and someone were to get ahold of that information, e.g. the payto addresses, the transaction numbers and my address for receiving, could someone who is unscrupulous get the paybacks for themselves or is this public information available on the blockchain sites?

Thanks so much for the Kudos. However we shouldn't overdo it. There is a scientific finding I saw recently in a news article that people will make you wait longer for say a parking space if they see you are waiting. The squeaky wheel gets the grease but let's not kill it by showing we aren't as civilized as the ordinary Canadian . I'm sure Officer Failler has other cases. We want him on our side. Who knows, maybe he has other million dollar cases too. But I will also call tomorrow. Losing lots money is intensely frustrating. I think one can get more of it back with a cool head, than going about it with blind fury. Sleep on it before making plans about what you will say.

Note: From the link that Danz0r77 dug up: http://www.whoismind.com/whois-history/2012-12-30/13-58-18/getlaidbible.com.html, there may be a still connected phone number from Jayson's business, DIGITAL MINING STORE, 314 33rd street east, saskatoon, Saskatchewan s7k0s4, Canada: (306) 716-0288.

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My interest in PB Mining is I have 900 GHs tied up in it and didn't receive my full payment this week, but instead received 10% of what I was expecting. I normally receive about 0.064 bitcoins per week and have been plowing the proceeds back into purchasing more Ghs whenever I surpassed the minimum amount of Ghs that was purchasable. Honestly I did suspect all along that PB Mining was a ponzi scheme, but wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt. I suspected it as such as for awhile because they had by far, as far as I could tell, the lowest charge per GHs for virtual online mining. I continued using them as they seemed to be the only one whose returns and price for GHs was worth investing in the get a healthy return, but I was kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop because comparatively speaking in contrast to other online ming sites, they were a bargain. I can see I don't have that much tied up in Bitcoin mining compared some others on this site. I see it as a hobby and this is a definite lesson learned. However, it would be nice to get back at least some refund. Comparatively speaking I'm certainly very far from wealthy. More like just subsisting. But I get by.


From within the US, I called over to +1 306 975 8300 Sunday Evening and got a nice policewoman. I didn't expect much but she does know what bitcoins are. She says that we should call Staff Sergeant Tim Failler directly on Monday. His direct line is 306-975-8348. He is in charge of Economic and Stolen Auto crimes. His assistant can also takes calls. His/her number is 306-975-8243. This site confirms the assistant's number: http://police.saskatoon.sk.ca/contact/. Maybe call there first. The policewoman reported they will be in from 8 AM to about 4 PM Saskatoon time (Central Standard Time). She reported Sgt Failler may be in earlier than 8 AM, the assistant though will be in at 8 (CST). Here is a picture of Sgt Failler: https://www.facebook.com/SaskatoonPolice/photos/pb.122212177802054.-2207520000.1417193303./836569049699693/?type=1. I'm not sure if he is the one on the left or the right. I would advise against filing an online report here: http://police.saskatoon.sk.ca/onlinereporting/. One of the criteria for being able to filing online is there are no known suspects, but there is a suspect Jason Boyko right?

By the way, Jason's legal name may be Dave or is it the other way around, that Dave is an alias? See: http://www.lifenews.ca/announcement/4026856-boyko-garry. There are listings for Dave Boyko and D Boyko in Saskatoon if you look in Canada's Whitepages, but no J. or Jason Boyko. I originally posted the phone numbers and addresses but I think that is too inflammatory and you can look them up if you are so inclined. As I said before, Dave Boyko or D Boyko may not be Jason Boyko, so don't take out your frustrations on either of those persons or do anything criminal without or even with proof. I have a subscription to https://www.phonedetective.com/, which has access to US info. For some of the "Jason Boyko" results there are names of relatives that might be associated with that person. About half of the results had such names, but none were of the same names that appear in the obituary listed above. Also looked at J Boyko and Dave Boyko and cross-checked that too, but no dice. So there is no obvious history in the US for Jason. Someone can check me on that.

Jason does not appear to have a criminal record of fraud in Saskatchewan or Canada. If it is the same Jason, he does have a conviction for "operating a motor vehicle on a street, road, highway, or other public place in a manner that is dangerous to the public" in 2003 where apparently as part of defending himself from someone with road rage, he hit with his car but did not injure the assailant. Also there is an older case where someone apparently assaulted him, not the reverse: http://www.canlii.org/en/sk/#search/jId=sk&all=Jason%20Boyko. There appears to be no record for Dave Boyko, so maybe Jason is his real name and the Dave thing is an alias. There are no other criminal records for Jason Boyko in Canada in other provinces as far as I can tell. At least that is using the http://www.canlii.org/ site.