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"Without the government there are no labor unions, because they would be smashed by Pinkerton agencies or people hired, or even sometimes the government." -Jon Stewart
Source: http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-october-27-2011-andrew-napolitano @ the 25 minute mark
Source: http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-october-27-2011-andrew-napolitano @ the 25 minute mark
This is a typical response from a socialist and statist. When in fact it was a failure of the Rule of Law, not free enterprise.
I don't think cops are special, just that you really have no right killing/shooting anyone unless they impose an imminent danger to someone (and no, libertarians, not danger to your "things", danger to people)
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Really, so I have no right to protect my property? So lets see here libard, say you got a home and 3 kids and a wife. And lets say you are a farmer, with a tractor, cows, etc. A group of bad guys come, they want all your cows and your tracker, and all your stuff in the house, wife's wedding ring and all.
You do what?
I on the other-hand, use good gun control, acquire targets quickly, and shoot. I don't stop shooting until I have complete submission or surrender.
Re: 'Good Morning, America!' Our wonderful morning news...
Ahh, nothing like a good cup of jo and some well informed news broadcasts to get the day rolling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGrmFqybgXU
The networks and cable TV news are a joke. This is why government is going to "regulate" the internet, they are scarred to death that too many people are waking up from their years of programming in public schools, and TV, and are instead learning for the first time. A terrorizing thought if your are a statist.
Tea party is single issue: black man in white house.
I think there is a 95% chance he gets his info from what he sees on TV and reads on Media Matters.
O, most holy Manipulator:
In the shadow of your magnificent 17,000 BTC sell-walls,
We mere mortals stare in inadequate awe
at the power of your market prowess.
Graciously allow the price of Bitcoins
to rise and fall to the levels prescribed by nature
so that we can live with peace in our hearts
that our rallies won't be squashed
and that Bitcoin will prosper
as the piece of economic artwork it was designed to be.
In your holy name, we humbly pray,
Amen.
Re: Unknown National Chain Restaurant to Accept Bitcoin This Weekend
If you believed Bruce on this, than let this be a lesson for you. Bruce is bad for Bitcoin, the longer he is around Bitcoin, the longer Bitcoin will suffer as a result.
Re: The Bitcoin Show - Panel Ep, Jared Ostmeyer, BitcoinNavigator, SolidCoin, More
Additional guest: The massive fucking elephant in the room
+1
From the Atlantic on 8-8-2011, 7:30am
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/08/the-bitcoin-economy-is-collapsing-with-no-sign-of-recovery/243253/
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/08/the-bitcoin-economy-is-collapsing-with-no-sign-of-recovery/243253/
Re: comrades, is bitcoin a great leap forward for international socialism?
What Bitcoin does not allow is to create money out of thin air. It is sound money.
Bitcoin is created out of thin air (ducking) in many respects. However its value is in it's platform, and the ancillary services the free market provides to support that platform. Its value is also derived from the public's perception of Bitcoin and its value in its use as a store of value.
I think it is very premature to try and promote heavily without more of the basic building blocks available to the average end-user or the average merchant. Sure some nerds and geeks can figure it out eventually, but so what?
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I agree. While we have made great strides in the last 6 months, more work needs to be done.
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I agree. While we have made great strides in the last 6 months, more work needs to be done.
Bump, I tried not to but I could not help myself. I am wondering after this sitting in the General Section since it started, with no objections, I wonder if the Mods will move it to some obscure section of the forum.
My first post yes. Been reading the forums for ages. But I feel it neccessary to state one simple demand to mtgox and the current situation about bruce wagner. Please stop sponsoring this proven con man (and most likely affiliated with mybitcoin.com - tod williams tom williams). I desire an official statement from mtgox that they are in no way associated with this asshole. If that is not possible to produce then one question is left, why? The reason for this post is Bruce Wagners latest bitcoin show where he states that he is in tokyo to visit mtgox. Make it official that this guy is in no way on the good side with bitcoins biggest trading site.
And please no posts that this is a newbs forum, first post so no choice on my part. I had to make this post to relieve my worries about the continuation of being affiliated with this scammer.
And please no posts that this is a newbs forum, first post so no choice on my part. I had to make this post to relieve my worries about the continuation of being affiliated with this scammer.
This is not an official statement, there is not enough information at this point for such a thing. I'll try to expose our views at this point.
For information we are not "sponsoring" Bruce Wagner, we are buying advertising on the Bitcoin Show as many others have been doing or are doing, which was (until now) the only show about bitcoins to have enough viewers to start to be interesting.
Many new things have appeared during on the forum during the past 2 or 3 days, so I'll list - quickly - those here:
- About thailand "boys", the evidence produced so far is far from being anything to worry about. We know Bruce is homosexual, as he's open about this, but this has nothing to do with bitcoins. It seems from what I saw that Thailand is more "gay-friendly" than USA and it could explain Bruce's presence there and why he likes that country. Anyway without more evidence there is nothing we can decide there.
- Bruce ran Bold Funding, which was unable to do what it claims to do. He was caught and judged for this, and I believe the justice does its thing. I know Bruce have been handling a lot of funds for bitcoin users while promoting it, and I never heard of him running with someone's cash (would have been easy enough). I didn't know what he did, but I know he did a great job in promoting bitcoins, allowing people to buy coins with cash without ever defrauding anyone.
- About the case in NY and some guy asking $500k in 2008, that case seems to be closed, open again, ... anyway it's not settled yet, and I'm wondering a bit about the guy on the other side. As long as the case is not settled there's no way to know who's wrong, and considering how long this have been running I wouldn't think it's anything serious.
- Finally about Bruce's affiliation with MyBitcoin, this is quite amusing. Not only this is highly unlikely considering technical details on the way MyBitcoin was run, but the "link" (TodWilliams?) is the most ridiculous thing I ever saw.
I do think that everyone around here are slightly too busy reading about Bruce (I don't know about you but I'm already bored of this) and ignoring some more important things happening on Bitcoin. We are about to start service for Bitomat users and open multi currency support, among other things, and various things are moving within the bitcoin community.
The evidence is overwhelming. I find your judgment questionable at best at this point. Moreover, if you can't make a reasoned and thought-out judgment about this issue, than how am I to trust you with my moneys and assets? The simple answer is I can't, if you can make this kind of mistake, than you can make other mistakes in judgment just as bad.
Therefore I am closing my MtGox accounts, and taking my business to another firm. I will also be directing my partners, friends and associates to do the same.
I for one am grateful that this issue with Bruce Wagner was resolved. The evidence of his prior crimes is overwhelming (yes I consider a conviction in a court of law overwhelming evidence), and if not for the principles of a free and open discussion (I agree the pedo thing was unfounded) this whole thing surrounding Bruce Wagner and his credibility may have gone on for month's causing massive damage to Bitcoin as a whole.
Instead now anybody can read the cold hard facts about Mr. Wagner (court records in many states, his own comments, etc.) and make a determination for themselves about his credibility.
We the Bitcoin community, should be grateful a handful of moderators put their butts on the line to uphold the principles of free speech. Thank you.
Instead now anybody can read the cold hard facts about Mr. Wagner (court records in many states, his own comments, etc.) and make a determination for themselves about his credibility.
We the Bitcoin community, should be grateful a handful of moderators put their butts on the line to uphold the principles of free speech. Thank you.
Re: Are smear campains and character assasination OK on these forums?
This is a question I have to ask, I've just started going over the absolute fiasco that is the whole Bruce Wagner smear campain. I'd pm'd theymos (admin) about a post on this topic and he's OK with this.
Should we allow the bitcoin forums to become a place where someones sexuality comes under question (and is used in an attempt to smear a person)?
It's even gotten to the point where he's being accused of being a pedophile, this is the ultimate slur and character killer that, if it takes hold (which it has) is is totally destructive.
Should we as a community allow the kinds of "We'll he hasn't denied being a pedo therefor he's guilty" shit that's going on.
And it's not even direct accusations just things like "he's connected with ...", things that are technically true (he is connected because he's been accused of it).
Do we really want to let this witchunt become a part of our community?
I don't know Bruce personally, I've talked a little with him over skype about things where I am regarding bitcoin and thats it. I don't even watch his show.
I've just browsed over the threads but haven't come across any hard evidence, so unless said evidence appears should we not put an end to this line of discussion?
Nefario.
Should we allow the bitcoin forums to become a place where someones sexuality comes under question (and is used in an attempt to smear a person)?
It's even gotten to the point where he's being accused of being a pedophile, this is the ultimate slur and character killer that, if it takes hold (which it has) is is totally destructive.
Should we as a community allow the kinds of "We'll he hasn't denied being a pedo therefor he's guilty" shit that's going on.
And it's not even direct accusations just things like "he's connected with ...", things that are technically true (he is connected because he's been accused of it).
Do we really want to let this witchunt become a part of our community?
I don't know Bruce personally, I've talked a little with him over skype about things where I am regarding bitcoin and thats it. I don't even watch his show.
I've just browsed over the threads but haven't come across any hard evidence, so unless said evidence appears should we not put an end to this line of discussion?
Nefario.
Thank you for your support and service, it did not go unnoticed. However, I think you should reconsider.
Chill out
Bitcoin has created alot of attention by these "internet people" by which I mean people into things like SOA, ADS, PTC Sites, SPAM and such things.
They exist, nobody likes them they do not innovate and they behave like a swarm of locusts.
But don't mind them, they are just desperate and their desperation has brought the major attention to bitcoin in the first place (gawker). Yes they are the scum of the internets but we need them. Their greedy "I want a major slice of the cake" mentality fails them on the fundamentals of the bitcoin protocol and in the mean time we are getting free publicity
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Bitcoin has created alot of attention by these "internet people" by which I mean people into things like SOA, ADS, PTC Sites, SPAM and such things.
They exist, nobody likes them they do not innovate and they behave like a swarm of locusts.
But don't mind them, they are just desperate and their desperation has brought the major attention to bitcoin in the first place (gawker). Yes they are the scum of the internets but we need them. Their greedy "I want a major slice of the cake" mentality fails them on the fundamentals of the bitcoin protocol and in the mean time we are getting free publicity
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I am thank you, that's why I am here, and likely as are you. I posted in another thread this statement but it also applies here:
If it was not for a free and open discussion about an emerging crisis, this entire thing may have played out for months, causing massive damage to Bitcoin. Instead a rapid, focused, and determined investigation was conducted. It resulted in very serious allegations, most of which is accompanied by solid supporting evidence.
Free speech and open lines of communication are absolutely essential in any crisis, and this is especially true for Bitcoin.
Its easier than that. You can moderate by not allowing coments claiming something without proof or citation, and even more important not allowing personal attacks (unless they can clearly proof what they are saying about the other forum member is true).
The citations of Bruce's own words have been shown multiple times. What further proof would you like, exactly?
If it was not for a free and open discussion about an emerging crisis, this entire thing may have played out for months, causing massive damage to Bitcoin. Instead a rapid, focused, and determined investigation was conducted. It resulted in very serious allegations, most of which is accompanied by solid supporting evidence.
No, free speech and open lines of communication are absolutely essential in any crisis, and this is especially true for Bitcoin.
Are there any good moderated forums for bitcoin that people can recommend? I don't really like the thought of someone having that kind of control over forum postings, but this forum has degenerated to the point where I think such a forum is an unfortunate necessity. And, btw, this kind of thing is not unique to bitcoin. Almost every community that achieves some degree of popularity has to take such steps at some point. I would also recommend shutting this forum down (an action that I think, while unfortunate, is probably in the best interest of bitcoin).
Yes, because everyone loves being moderated.
You belong in 1984.
I think you are wrong here Steve, and making a mistake. Yes it's messy and yes at times unfair. This is the nature of free speech in an open society. Now that being said, slander and lies are another issue all together, if Mr. Wagner feels he was slandered and can prove that in a court of law, than by all means he should do so.