Mistery solved, neither time i gave it enough head room to unpak downloaded pak
So, that message is displayed when it runs out of disk space when bootstraping with mdb.pak mechanism, at least in a virtual machine

Sure, built it from source. In QubesOS, this version
I copied Dedian-9 template to Standalone-VM, and installed BBR in it following instructions from BBR README.md for Unix server version(without GUI). The message also occurred first time i started a daemon, after it downloaded data4.mdb.pak.
I have that OS on two machines, same thing

It was Debian 9 in a virtual machine, switched to real machine and it works
I forgot how fast BBR refreshes wallet even on low end hardware!

Hi to all

From a latest daemon i get

With regards to July 30th, it may be that not all BBR holders are aware that a deadline is already fixed, and so close

If bigj gets his hard fork, and CZ adds some% of "deferred premine" on top of his, as it is currently, boolberry could target crypto aware market by funding outlets like https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqNCLd2r19wpWWQE6yDLOOQ few times a month or something.

Along creating a market for creating a BBR logo shaped stuff generally   Stuff like that can not hurt too much in adoption phase, if time-restrected enough i suppose

I suppose that everyone can agree that atm spending some funds to get BBR spread are in interest of all. Firstly, i must admit that i was not born libertarian, but i'm iterating toward it and iterated very close to it rather recently actually. Before that life did not show me necessity to iterate on the issue.

As such I understand that libertarian approach would result in the funds for BBR game spent probably most efficiently. But there is but (at least to me as noob in libertarian way of thinking) we are getting in a sphere of a society. The energy spent in getting the funds for this particular game in the libertarian way is kinda larger than if wee all agree on e.g. 0.1% baked in the protocol for a limited time period. Also, note that it takes only a few skilled trolls to seriously decrease the velocity of the funds in purely libertarian incarnation of the game. My point is, I still think that libertarian way is the best ideally, but if everyone agrees on the cause, some small amount time limited may be more robust to tragedy of the commons, and as such more efficient on the average. I know that pure libertarians are rolling their eyes if they are reading this, but please consider that it would be time limited and for the purpose all agree on.

LucyLovesCrypto, would only blue BBR logo shaped house make you happy or would you take purple one in consideration?

Like a Proof of Constructive Human Work? I still like that idea the most, and "to be eaten food" is kinda easy to proof to be constructive human work. Living in a house shaped as the BBR logo would be even better proof 

CZ, could bigj have the hard fork but in a way that BBR has e.g. 1% of mined limited to 1 year for a purpose? Miners should agree on this, it will distribute BBR to humans through a game which adds value at this age of BBR,  and 1 year limits any inefficiencies that may/will develop for the process?

 
Like a hashtag?

Damashup

Could the platform be modified such that it watches for hashtags if having a kinda image of e.g. BBR logo shaped from a food (and an address to clam a part of the e.g. daily reward. And for the platform to have vote-ups and downs, once a day, and basically to split a rewards between claimers and ppl posting food made bbr logo incarnations I'm probably going too far here, but there was a mention of just brainstorming, and that would create a market with a dynamics

CZ, some was mentioning hardfork solution, i'de support e.g. 1% to be allocated (on top pf devs part before someone proposes something that makes most sence for it) for such (harder to game Proof of Constructive Human Work) purposes  only if severely limited to a part of a business cycle, e.g. 2 years or something

CZ may also be kinda saying that, if you were older you would probably do this one for free

I might add that, do not  everything that one wishes happens in life, unless one wish for something too hard. Have fun on holidays, but do your magic after New year if you would. You have a knowledge to have  all goodies of life, just don't rush it mate.

Wouldn't the first iteration of OS FPGA miner kinda create an market?

With regard to BBR marketcap atm, would not surprise me if CZ thinks that 1% is too small And we can vote it down when BBR value increases. Until then, i'm fine with 1%, would even vote to double it or something while price is low.

But if bigj or someone comes up with more transparent model that can not be gamed too easily, i'll support it for BBR

I completely agree that certain level of transparency is important, as is certain level of privacy but for different reasons. As with anything in life, it is all about finding healthy balance, neither extreme can not be good.

In current model all funds are nontransparently controlled by devs, which is kinda private extreme. How would you suggest to correct the current model but to still remain some level of privacy so BBR can compete on the market (to still have a chance of reveling features when is in the best interest of the project, in order to even have possibility of an edge compared with competing projects)?

If the differed premine funds are controlled by some BBR committee, would you find acceptable if the % is larger then 1%? How much would you suggest? How would you suggest to structure the committee that decides on how to spend the funds, to have checks and balances that stop potential misuses?

And what makes you presume that next BBR update requires hard-fork anyway?

I do agree with you, everything is about "critical masses". In this instance critical rate. As you pointed out, BBR market cap is not enough for 1% to even put food on devs tables so, on the average, they will not put all time into it. That would be unsustainable. But, the world is a place of highly complex incentives. Only common denominator they tend to have is decreasing social system cost actually.


Are you suggesting to vote on BBR type “premine” that are more transparently spent? I must say i completely agree with you on that, but BBR is as is, I do not fully understand your point. You are suggesting hard-fork new iteration in form of different project?.

If you are interested in CryptoNotes i suppose you understand that certain small level of privacy is necessary for people to find long-term "piece". It may even be that sooner the discovery of privacy sphere size (and incarnations of newly possible ecosystem types) happen may be better, as it reduces the price of the discovery process. May be even that something more general holds, that efficient communication channels number is roughly inverse function of possibility of a conflict between humans, which is excellent if such. People do on the average just wish to live decently in harmony with its surroundings after all. All life on the average is like that, it tends to get more efficient. Probbably wouldn't even exist otherwise if you think of it. As one might imagine, physical laws are the same. It all happens in a world that time decided on, which is such that it minimizes entropy production rate with given “consensus reaching” channel(s) of communication(s), i.e. in given laws of physics on a given problem. You seem also to understand that small privacy sphere must exist for people on the average to reach consistent harmony, kinda global consensus, to even have a chance of becoming stable long-lasting harmony for the humanity, if you think of it. By definition one might add. I would even add that provable egalitarianism is a consequence of every relations between humans having the same privacy sphere size, if we define egalitarianism and privacy sphere size such that one could clame it

In the real world, any relation betwean two parties, in which privacy sphere size ratio is several order of magnitude is prone to exploit, and if there are no checks and balances in the place it probably will be. It is kinda always so that, if no enough checks and balances (negative feedbacks) a system may not be stable. And it probably should be worked on to make it more efficient, that would make sense generally.

If you do critics that BBR is not egalitarian enough to satisfy CryptoNote standards, I disagree. But you make exilent point, that % that goes to devs is important. This may even be good mechanism for projects of a kind, to support themselves at thair different age: varaibile % of every block in a protocol that can reach consensus, and consensus on how to spend it. May even be that is enough to have consensus on to incentive relations of different kinds, it forces people to communicate on the issue that is in their common interest, and by it reduce possibility of tragedy of the commons. That may not be easy to achieve as then, for a realisation to happen, a critical mass in useability and simplicity must be achieved. So consensus reaching platform would have to have FUD attack filters in place, basically to reach with lowest noise level possible I suppose. That would be more egalitarian, but this is one of firts Darwinian experiments. Only God nows which one will live longer than others, before new generation solve more important problems, or larger number of significant problems while converging towars slower entrophy prodaction rate of any given process. In other words, it is as egalitarian as it is supposed to be atm.

I do agree that a tendency of  time realization is to minimize entropy production rate, i.e. production cost of a given process i suppose, so it humanity is converging toward such a world. When you think of it, the tendency to even communicate kinda happens naturally when you assume life as something that tries to reduce its entrophy production rate, actually for anything trat it can "understans" or comunicate, it organizes and everything in the corollary. When you look at from another angle, it is probably only solution class possible as other would lead to non-existance, i.e. are not stable in the long-run.

Thank you for sharing your concerns, and I have feeling a lot of people is working or at least considering how to solve those kind of problems.

But you could hardly call it premine if devs will get 1% of block that will be mined in a week or in a month. There is not much that can be prefixed with pre there. Smooth has best name i've jet heard for it, "deferred premine", and you'll realize that the model actually gives incentives to devs to work on the project in the future, which does gives it an edge compared to other projects when speaking of probability of devs working harder on the code and adding features that add value to the network, while not being premined network.

With that said, other non-premined projects might actually be flawed by not having BBR model for keeping devs inherently motivated

Also, CZ used some of the boolbs from that 1% for bounties for ppl that contributed somehow to the project. E.g. I got 10ish block worth of boolbs at the time for putting effort in tutorial thread. And another point is, as the "premine" is deferred, if anything it further incentivise devs to take care of boolberry in the future. I completely agree with you smooth, tnx for correcting me

Yes. A difference in comparison to most other CryptoNotes is that is still deflationary, i.e. miners are supposed to be payed only be transaction fees in 100 years from now or so. I do not think anyone is sure how that tailing curve should look like so i suppose devs are patient with that change. Most of other CN projects kinda decided already what is best for time period 50-100years or so from now

You do not think that current possibility to opt-out from contributing to development is enough?

IMO if anything few more stuff should be at the protocol level, one of them being kind of incentive to run a BBR node. Perhaps as a second (now node operator) fee that node operator can take for providing services to SPV wallets, if this could not be gamed to bloat the blockchain too cheaply.

I like terminology you use, abut there is one more option for BBR. To live near disinflationary regime, but slightly on inflationary side. IMHO this makes most sense as it may provide long-term incentives for miners and somewhat decrease the volatility

So if you as the thread starter did not request the move only mod could do it?

Really mod, what would a speculation thread do on the announcement board, announce trading and price speculation?

Sure mate. Even if we ignore crypto is on the rise, as expected for a November I supose, the push toward cashless society will make (privacy-oriented) crypto rise eventually.

Let me give an example. Let's assume for the second we have perfect society with no problems at all, and we accept cashless system. At first, flowers are blooming in the winter and unicorns play in every park. But people also are part of the environment. So Joe takes his mistress to a dinner and pays with a card, as there is no cash to remain private. Now all you need for his wife is to have benevolent friend in payment-processor company, or just a guy there to have a crush on his wife for problems to start. Before long Joe will wish for some privacy-preserving payment system that does not depend on potentially week link (in terms of privacy). After a while BBR has a market of Joes. In this example all players were benevolent humans, now let's think of developments in the real world with some corrupted players. There will be ppl in payment-processor companies of this example that will profit from the information of a kind (corruption), and other ppl in those companies that will make a life-stile in comforting wifes of a kind (manipulation and coercion), given the cashless system runs long enough.

IMO one can not draw any conclusions while volume is this small. Anyone with 100BTC can make BBR or AEON (or both) markets looks as he/she wishes. When the volume picks up, and soon it probably will, they will probably be coupled in price for a while before they land more firmly in the real world. Only then will their price start to be distinct by real differences. I am speeking of long-run price differences


dev instantaneous activity certainly gives bias to the price somewhat up or down. And if come bias is prolonged it my cause non-linear effects in real world, by reaching some critical mass and whotnots. But, IMHO, long-run is more important although people usually state that time in Cryptoland goes fast. In other words, lack of noise is also important so devs can make proper long-term reflecting decisions. And lack of noise and high dev activity kinda exclude each other. Kinda