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Re: ★No.1 BITCOIN BINARY OPTIONS ★HIGHEST REWARD 190%★1% DOUBLE DICE★EXPIRY:1~720MIN
Hello secondstrade,
I played today and have a nullpointerexception on that tx:
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a15d61a919ceeea4d566d6c126cee7a62d17e63c13674ecba0e574943dec6b7b
Can u operate the payout ?
Thanks
I played today and have a nullpointerexception on that tx:
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a15d61a919ceeea4d566d6c126cee7a62d17e63c13674ecba0e574943dec6b7b
Can u operate the payout ?
Thanks
Re: ★No.1 BITCOIN BINARY OPTIONS ★HIGHEST REWARD 190%★1% DOUBLE DICE★EXPIRY:1~720MIN
My bet was finally (after a week of waiting) refunded. Thank you to everyone who had replied in this topic, PM'ed secondstrade, or added him negative feedback.
I have removed my negative feedback and I will be messaging Vod and suchmoon that I no longer have any complaints about secondstrade.
Today I got this PM from secondstrade:
Though regarding sp3edm case, yes it is strange that this happened exactly at this time and his first (and only) transaction was over a limit. But that is no way near enough for anyone to consider it as a valid proof.
My advice is that you should probably refund sp3edm his 0.8BTC or else I doubt you will get out of red trust rating, and I doubt you will get any new players.
As of rabiow12 I have already given my analysis so if I were to bet whether he did or didn't abuse it I would bet on, that he did abuse it.
rabiow12 has already lied after he was asked if he's at profit, and is still lying that it was all his Bitcoins left, so I wouldn't be surprised if he lied about not abusing the game too.
If you don't want to refund rabiow12 you will have to talk it through with Vod and suchmoon and explain it with all the proofs on your thread too.
I have removed my negative feedback and I will be messaging Vod and suchmoon that I no longer have any complaints about secondstrade.
Today I got this PM from secondstrade:
but at the day, our hot wallet balance was become insufficient , because the scam.
so payout for the scam was not proceeded.
at the time, these two amount above max(0.9 and 0.8 were deposited).
and these bitcoin were also paid to the scammer.
so we thought that the two bet will be partner of the scammer or scammer themselves.
the reason that we thought such that.
1. the bitcoin above max amount did not often deposited .
2. scam time was very short (about 30 minutes ~1 hours).
3. the requester were newbie.
( i don't think the will be a newbie. they have a ability that can select transaction id.
the reason that they are newbie is because they do not want to know who is. )
but for you , we will consider refunding ..
you are not a newbie , and we can not find a proof that you are partner of them.
please wait some more.
Their reasoning behind my delay of refund is pretty logical considering they were the ones who suffered a loss.so payout for the scam was not proceeded.
at the time, these two amount above max(0.9 and 0.8 were deposited).
and these bitcoin were also paid to the scammer.
so we thought that the two bet will be partner of the scammer or scammer themselves.
the reason that we thought such that.
1. the bitcoin above max amount did not often deposited .
2. scam time was very short (about 30 minutes ~1 hours).
3. the requester were newbie.
( i don't think the will be a newbie. they have a ability that can select transaction id.
the reason that they are newbie is because they do not want to know who is. )
but for you , we will consider refunding ..
you are not a newbie , and we can not find a proof that you are partner of them.
please wait some more.
Though regarding sp3edm case, yes it is strange that this happened exactly at this time and his first (and only) transaction was over a limit. But that is no way near enough for anyone to consider it as a valid proof.
My advice is that you should probably refund sp3edm his 0.8BTC or else I doubt you will get out of red trust rating, and I doubt you will get any new players.
As of rabiow12 I have already given my analysis so if I were to bet whether he did or didn't abuse it I would bet on, that he did abuse it.
rabiow12 has already lied after he was asked if he's at profit, and is still lying that it was all his Bitcoins left, so I wouldn't be surprised if he lied about not abusing the game too.
If you don't want to refund rabiow12 you will have to talk it through with Vod and suchmoon and explain it with all the proofs on your thread too.
thank you for your help. and very sorry that i doubted you.
but sp3edm's case is not a your case. he is newbie , and his bet is only one or use multiple addresses
and there is no any information .
if he bets first , 0.8 btc is too big amount .
most people initially start small.
i still think that he may be partner of rabiow12.
i think he have to show more proof that he is not a partner of rabiow12 or more transactions
thank you.
Hello, secondstrade, please don't ignore message, i wrote clear situation.
I'm not rabiow12 (i don't know him...) and he is not in my case. (tautvilis was in my case).
It is normal i'm a new user here, i see your website on Google, the first transaction i made was 0.8BTC. after a while, the game was not completed.
You don't have contact page on your website but i found a link "Discuss on Bitcointalk.org".
Let's see transaction time and my registration on the forum... (It's same).
You are right, it was my first bet... i played before on binary trading and played big amont. It's a crime to play big bet ?
And i played later on your website until i see it was over limit...
I never played txdice... my first bet was on ODD EVEN x2.
The game was not played, right? so why you don't want to refund ? O.o
Please refund me, i will remove trust and will edit all negative about you.
the refund was completed now. we can not any other proof that you have relation whith rabiow12.
sorry for late refund and doubt .
refund transaction id is https://blockchain.info/tx/ada08d5f6659ccf29c357384da3fe3193d68166ef99bdecb54c9f5bb68fa0898
thank you.
THANKS YOU SECONDSTRADE
Have a nice day !
OP is refunded. Please confirm.
the refund was completed now. we can not any other proof that you have relation whith rabiow12.
sorry for late refund and doubt .
refund transaction id is https://blockchain.info/tx/ada08d5f6659ccf29c357384da3fe3193d68166ef99bdecb54c9f5bb68fa0898
thank you.
sorry for late refund and doubt .
refund transaction id is https://blockchain.info/tx/ada08d5f6659ccf29c357384da3fe3193d68166ef99bdecb54c9f5bb68fa0898
thank you.
Refunded YES, please close the thread !
Re: ★No.1 BITCOIN BINARY OPTIONS ★HIGHEST REWARD 190%★1% DOUBLE DICE★EXPIRY:1~720MIN
Hello secondstrade,
What about my refund ?
https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83
What about my refund ?
https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83
What do you mean you are not rabiow12 ? Did anyone here asked you if you are me ? Whats your reason? ... im sick of this shit fuuck 
I want my money back !
I want my money back !
Secondstrade owner thinks i'm you...
Bro, i'm tired too...
Re: ★No.1 BITCOIN BINARY OPTIONS ★HIGHEST REWARD 190%★1% DOUBLE DICE★EXPIRY:1~720MIN
My bet was finally (after a week of waiting) refunded. Thank you to everyone who had replied in this topic, PM'ed secondstrade, or added him negative feedback.
I have removed my negative feedback and I will be messaging Vod and suchmoon that I no longer have any complaints about secondstrade.
Today I got this PM from secondstrade:
Though regarding sp3edm case, yes it is strange that this happened exactly at this time and his first (and only) transaction was over a limit. But that is no way near enough for anyone to consider it as a valid proof.
My advice is that you should probably refund sp3edm his 0.8BTC or else I doubt you will get out of red trust rating, and I doubt you will get any new players.
As of rabiow12 I have already given my analysis so if I were to bet whether he did or didn't abuse it I would bet on, that he did abuse it.
rabiow12 has already lied after he was asked if he's at profit, and is still lying that it was all his Bitcoins left, so I wouldn't be surprised if he lied about not abusing the game too.
If you don't want to refund rabiow12 you will have to talk it through with Vod and suchmoon and explain it with all the proofs on your thread too.
I have removed my negative feedback and I will be messaging Vod and suchmoon that I no longer have any complaints about secondstrade.
Today I got this PM from secondstrade:
but at the day, our hot wallet balance was become insufficient , because the scam.
so payout for the scam was not proceeded.
at the time, these two amount above max(0.9 and 0.8 were deposited).
and these bitcoin were also paid to the scammer.
so we thought that the two bet will be partner of the scammer or scammer themselves.
the reason that we thought such that.
1. the bitcoin above max amount did not often deposited .
2. scam time was very short (about 30 minutes ~1 hours).
3. the requester were newbie.
( i don't think the will be a newbie. they have a ability that can select transaction id.
the reason that they are newbie is because they do not want to know who is. )
but for you , we will consider refunding ..
you are not a newbie , and we can not find a proof that you are partner of them.
please wait some more.
Their reasoning behind my delay of refund is pretty logical considering they were the ones who suffered a loss.so payout for the scam was not proceeded.
at the time, these two amount above max(0.9 and 0.8 were deposited).
and these bitcoin were also paid to the scammer.
so we thought that the two bet will be partner of the scammer or scammer themselves.
the reason that we thought such that.
1. the bitcoin above max amount did not often deposited .
2. scam time was very short (about 30 minutes ~1 hours).
3. the requester were newbie.
( i don't think the will be a newbie. they have a ability that can select transaction id.
the reason that they are newbie is because they do not want to know who is. )
but for you , we will consider refunding ..
you are not a newbie , and we can not find a proof that you are partner of them.
please wait some more.
Though regarding sp3edm case, yes it is strange that this happened exactly at this time and his first (and only) transaction was over a limit. But that is no way near enough for anyone to consider it as a valid proof.
My advice is that you should probably refund sp3edm his 0.8BTC or else I doubt you will get out of red trust rating, and I doubt you will get any new players.
As of rabiow12 I have already given my analysis so if I were to bet whether he did or didn't abuse it I would bet on, that he did abuse it.
rabiow12 has already lied after he was asked if he's at profit, and is still lying that it was all his Bitcoins left, so I wouldn't be surprised if he lied about not abusing the game too.
If you don't want to refund rabiow12 you will have to talk it through with Vod and suchmoon and explain it with all the proofs on your thread too.
thank you for your help. and very sorry that i doubted you.
but sp3edm's case is not a your case. he is newbie , and his bet is only one or use multiple addresses
and there is no any information .
if he bets first , 0.8 btc is too big amount .
most people initially start small.
i still think that he may be partner of rabiow12.
i think he have to show more proof that he is not a partner of rabiow12 or more transactions
thank you.
Hello, secondstrade, please don't ignore message, i wrote clear situation.
I'm not rabiow12 (i don't know him...) and he is not in my case. (tautvilis was in my case).
It is normal i'm a new user here, i see your website on Google, the first transaction i made was 0.8BTC. after a while, the game was not completed.
You don't have contact page on your website but i found a link "Discuss on Bitcointalk.org".
Let's see transaction time and my registration on the forum... (It's same).
You are right, it was my first bet... i played before on binary trading and played big amont. It's a crime to play big bet ?
And i played later on your website until i see it was over limit...
I never played txdice... my first bet was on ODD EVEN x2.
The game was not played, right? so why you don't want to refund ? O.o
Please refund me, i will remove trust and will edit all negative about you.
can you tell me other proof that you are not a partner of rabiow12?
The circumstances of the time, I have reason to doubt you.
but it is just doubt.
I agree with you, registration time has difference of 2 days...
What other proof do you want? i don't have other proof... sincerely and i don't know how to prove it.
Let's see how i'm typing and him.
I deleted my negative trust against you.
Contact OP, whatever you want i'm not rabiow12 and not a partner, i don't know him.
Check your PM, i sent you other informations
Can you provide transaction details of all the secondstrade bets you made in the period?
What is your profit from playing txdice?
What is your profit from playing txdice?
It looks like the TX in the OP:
https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83
was not a TX dice bet. It went to the Odd-Even address, whatever that is. And if you follow the change address it looks like sp3edm kept gambling with valid under-max amounts.
https://blockchain.info/tx/f612fbd5d55246bf157b91c7d82ed693fbfc86ba293d0246573ac59f3d87d67a
https://blockchain.info/tx/3d936cf66db2f9599509cab961bd14c5eed2f4f23fadc0749d9fbaf1aaf73a19
https://blockchain.info/tx/a7324cd0e5211bec6dc4bfaa8344c9fb853da41198cd65790b1c268e1e9370fb
https://blockchain.info/tx/bb88870202fa948628f1babff4d552f3e12433e6ebae5f4f3d9f8f3aba0fb17b
etc
Not sure if that means anything though.
I never played at TXDice ! and i'm not rabiow12 !!!
You are right suchmoon, i played some times after until i saw that my first tx was over limit.
Please see on the blockchain, it was my first transation to secondstrade and bet was not played. Where is the problem? i don't cheated or anything of that!
Re: ★No.1 BITCOIN BINARY OPTIONS ★HIGHEST REWARD 190%★1% DOUBLE DICE★EXPIRY:1~720MIN
My bet was finally (after a week of waiting) refunded. Thank you to everyone who had replied in this topic, PM'ed secondstrade, or added him negative feedback.
I have removed my negative feedback and I will be messaging Vod and suchmoon that I no longer have any complaints about secondstrade.
Today I got this PM from secondstrade:
Though regarding sp3edm case, yes it is strange that this happened exactly at this time and his first (and only) transaction was over a limit. But that is no way near enough for anyone to consider it as a valid proof.
My advice is that you should probably refund sp3edm his 0.8BTC or else I doubt you will get out of red trust rating, and I doubt you will get any new players.
As of rabiow12 I have already given my analysis so if I were to bet whether he did or didn't abuse it I would bet on, that he did abuse it.
rabiow12 has already lied after he was asked if he's at profit, and is still lying that it was all his Bitcoins left, so I wouldn't be surprised if he lied about not abusing the game too.
If you don't want to refund rabiow12 you will have to talk it through with Vod and suchmoon and explain it with all the proofs on your thread too.
I have removed my negative feedback and I will be messaging Vod and suchmoon that I no longer have any complaints about secondstrade.
Today I got this PM from secondstrade:
but at the day, our hot wallet balance was become insufficient , because the scam.
so payout for the scam was not proceeded.
at the time, these two amount above max(0.9 and 0.8 were deposited).
and these bitcoin were also paid to the scammer.
so we thought that the two bet will be partner of the scammer or scammer themselves.
the reason that we thought such that.
1. the bitcoin above max amount did not often deposited .
2. scam time was very short (about 30 minutes ~1 hours).
3. the requester were newbie.
( i don't think the will be a newbie. they have a ability that can select transaction id.
the reason that they are newbie is because they do not want to know who is. )
but for you , we will consider refunding ..
you are not a newbie , and we can not find a proof that you are partner of them.
please wait some more.
Their reasoning behind my delay of refund is pretty logical considering they were the ones who suffered a loss.so payout for the scam was not proceeded.
at the time, these two amount above max(0.9 and 0.8 were deposited).
and these bitcoin were also paid to the scammer.
so we thought that the two bet will be partner of the scammer or scammer themselves.
the reason that we thought such that.
1. the bitcoin above max amount did not often deposited .
2. scam time was very short (about 30 minutes ~1 hours).
3. the requester were newbie.
( i don't think the will be a newbie. they have a ability that can select transaction id.
the reason that they are newbie is because they do not want to know who is. )
but for you , we will consider refunding ..
you are not a newbie , and we can not find a proof that you are partner of them.
please wait some more.
Though regarding sp3edm case, yes it is strange that this happened exactly at this time and his first (and only) transaction was over a limit. But that is no way near enough for anyone to consider it as a valid proof.
My advice is that you should probably refund sp3edm his 0.8BTC or else I doubt you will get out of red trust rating, and I doubt you will get any new players.
As of rabiow12 I have already given my analysis so if I were to bet whether he did or didn't abuse it I would bet on, that he did abuse it.
rabiow12 has already lied after he was asked if he's at profit, and is still lying that it was all his Bitcoins left, so I wouldn't be surprised if he lied about not abusing the game too.
If you don't want to refund rabiow12 you will have to talk it through with Vod and suchmoon and explain it with all the proofs on your thread too.
thank you for your help. and very sorry that i doubted you.
but sp3edm's case is not a your case. he is newbie , and his bet is only one or use multiple addresses
and there is no any information .
if he bets first , 0.8 btc is too big amount .
most people initially start small.
i still think that he may be partner of rabiow12.
i think he have to show more proof that he is not a partner of rabiow12 or more transactions
thank you.
Hello, secondstrade, please don't ignore message, i wrote clear situation.
I'm not rabiow12 (i don't know him...) and he is not in my case. (tautvilis was in my case).
It is normal i'm a new user here, i see your website on Google, the first transaction i made was 0.8BTC. after a while, the game was not completed.
You don't have contact page on your website but i found a link "Discuss on Bitcointalk.org".
Let's see transaction time and my registration on the forum... (It's same).
You are right, it was my first bet... i played before on binary trading and played big amont. It's a crime to play big bet ?
And i played later on your website until i see it was over limit...
I never played txdice... my first bet was on ODD EVEN x2.
The game was not played, right? so why you don't want to refund ? O.o
Please refund me, i will remove trust and will edit all negative about you.
-snip-
But my case is different. I have done 11 transactions on 1.98 and 4.08 multipliers only. 4 out of 11 transactions lost, only 7 won.
And my last transaction was over the max 0.9733BTC what's the craziest part about that? If your max bet was bigger my transaction would have in fact lost because I have sent to x1.98 on higher than 49 and mine was 39.
But since you have a rule of refunding bets that are higher than the max, I am waiting for your refund.
I will not scream nor will I bold my text but please secondstrade read my post.
But my case is different. I have done 11 transactions on 1.98 and 4.08 multipliers only. 4 out of 11 transactions lost, only 7 won.
And my last transaction was over the max 0.9733BTC what's the craziest part about that? If your max bet was bigger my transaction would have in fact lost because I have sent to x1.98 on higher than 49 and mine was 39.
But since you have a rule of refunding bets that are higher than the max, I am waiting for your refund.
I will not scream nor will I bold my text but please secondstrade read my post.
That is good!!
You should get your refund. I'll PM secondstrade.
ndnh, can u do the same with me please ? i'm in the same case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1644520.msg16540424#msg16540424
Waiting to see a reply from the owners on this. I think it is a little fast to drop a negative until they respond, though. Sometimes people get a little busy and refunds can be delayed.
I'm in the same case of tautvilis.
Blazed, the owner is ignoring our messages... you can see on the official thread.
I sent some pm and never had response.
He will never refund us, so people need to be warned to avoid future scams from him.
The main reason seems because the owner of secondstrade made a new game called "txdice" who was shitty coded and resulted a lost of 9 BTC... So he needs to scam to recover money.
For information, 0.8 + 0.9733 + 0.5 => 2.2733 BTC scammed in 5 days. (only for 3 people).
Guys,
I think that a separate thread should be created, where everybody should post their "story". I already notified secondstrade (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1641673.msg16524353#msg16524353) about another scam accusation, but please understand that its difficult to follow everything. I will do my best to assist you.
I started new scam thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1644520.msg16540424#msg16540424I think that a separate thread should be created, where everybody should post their "story". I already notified secondstrade (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1641673.msg16524353#msg16524353) about another scam accusation, but please understand that its difficult to follow everything. I will do my best to assist you.
What happened::
I was playing at secondstrade.com and i sent 0.8 BTC to EVEN/ODD address. After a while, game was not created and i see that there is a limit of 0.5 BTC by transactions.
I wrote 2 PMs to owner of the website here and on his thread but ... like you can see (here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg16517532#msg16517532 , i'm constantly ignored.)
Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381676
Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.0
Amount Scammed:
0.8 BTC
Payment Method:
Bitcoin
Proof of Payment:
https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83
PM/Chat Logs:
I sent more than 2 PMs for refund, no responses...
Additional Notes:
Every day, i PM, notify the owner of secondstrade.com on his official thread, but i'm getting ignored ... He don't want to refund me.
Another guy have the same problem than me who opened scam thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1640756.0
I was playing at secondstrade.com and i sent 0.8 BTC to EVEN/ODD address. After a while, game was not created and i see that there is a limit of 0.5 BTC by transactions.
I wrote 2 PMs to owner of the website here and on his thread but ... like you can see (here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg16517532#msg16517532 , i'm constantly ignored.)
Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381676
Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.0
Amount Scammed:
0.8 BTC
Payment Method:
Bitcoin
Proof of Payment:
https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83
PM/Chat Logs:
I sent more than 2 PMs for refund, no responses...
Additional Notes:
Every day, i PM, notify the owner of secondstrade.com on his official thread, but i'm getting ignored ... He don't want to refund me.
Another guy have the same problem than me who opened scam thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1640756.0
tautvilis, i'm too not refunded by the owner.
Tx ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83 - 0.8 BTC
It seems like Secondstrade.com wants to keep our money because they lost 9 BTC at their shitty tx dice game...
On secondstrade.com notice, it say if amount is over limit, the tx is refunded automatically after 6 confirmations. That's not true.
Tx ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83 - 0.8 BTC
It seems like Secondstrade.com wants to keep our money because they lost 9 BTC at their shitty tx dice game...
On secondstrade.com notice, it say if amount is over limit, the tx is refunded automatically after 6 confirmations. That's not true.
Re: ★No.1 BITCOIN BINARY OPTIONS ★HIGHEST REWARD 190%★1% DOUBLE DICE★EXPIRY:1~720MIN
Please refund my transaction https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83
I accidentally sent over the limit too.
I accidentally sent over the limit too.
secondstrade.com, what about my refund please? :S
Re: ★No.1 BITCOIN BINARY OPTIONS ★HIGHEST REWARD 190%★1% DOUBLE DICE★EXPIRY:1~720MIN
Please refund my transaction https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83
I accidentally sent over the limit too.
I accidentally sent over the limit too.