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Mother fucker primedice, You robing me. I loast my all BTC. It's impossible to lost 13 time. fuck you. give back my money.
Lol, you forgot to add the -
Could have made the red a bit more similar too
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That's 100% a fallacy.
Well when you are dealing with probability you can assume that if the house wins 50% and you win 50% when rolls -> infinity. Then chances are the next 100 bets, there will be more winners than losers to even it out. Yes I understand that each roll is completely independent of the prior and the next 100 bets can also have 90% losers and 10% winners.
That's how people go bankrupt when doing martingale. However if you assume it will eventually even out then you chances of betting 100 rolls and winning 51 times or more is higher than if you made 100 bets prior and won 90% of them and lost only 10%.
Nope, that's a completely false reasoning ^^
Let's say you bet on 50% and you lose 100 bets straight. Then in the next roll, you'll have exactly 50% chance of winning. And that for every rolls ever. Doesn't matter what you rolled.
I understand what you mean, you mean you should win more because it has to even out eventually, but in reality that's not the case. It's just an impression your brain gots that's all
But in this case you're not talking about the chance of winning the bet, you're talking about the chance of losing X amount of 50% bets in a row, which has its own odds.
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I could be 100% wrong but I don't trust primedice from my experiences and what I've seen with others, that's just my honest opinion. Call it bad luck or whatever but I see alot of really strange behaviour, uncanny bad luck for alot of people, not just losing the bets but the timing of losing the bets and the crazy losing streaks just at the right time. The provably fair thing is so complicated to most users that they could be screwed over but just can't understand it so accept that it's fair. All I hear is 'ask dooglas' he'll say its fair, you mean that other guy who also runs a dice game site? And how do we know the primedice verification websites aren't run by affiliates? Again I could be 100% wrong but this is just my honest opinion how I feel.
What I see is a lit of users complaining when they just loose a little. If you see how much High Rollers win last weeks then it looks like its all fair to me. If they would cheat they definitely do it at the high rollers and don't let them win 50 BTC in a few hours.
But if you believe they get rich by screwing low rollers, you need a doctor.
The only high roller I see winning is probably the same person (negan/noctis/sin/others) and could be allowed to win to entice people. They lost 60k 1 day and said in chat 'its only money'. Next day showed up betting shit loads again and won. Then when someone asked for $1 from him he said no. If he's so rich to not be bothered by losing 60k, that's odd behaviour. Infact nearly every high roller is a loser. How often do you see a random high roller show up betting moderate amounts and win 3-4 bets in a row? Not often. How often do you see them lose 4 in a row and bust. Very often.
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I could be 100% wrong but I don't trust primedice from my experiences and what I've seen with others, that's just my honest opinion. Call it bad luck or whatever but I see alot of really strange behaviour, uncanny bad luck for alot of people, not just losing the bets but the timing of losing the bets and the crazy losing streaks just at the right time. The provably fair thing is so complicated to most users that they could be screwed over but just can't understand it so accept that it's fair. All I hear is 'ask dooglas' he'll say its fair, you mean that other guy who also runs a dice game site? And how do we know the primedice verification websites aren't run by affiliates? Again I could be 100% wrong but this is just my honest opinion how I feel.
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I don't trust this sites anymore. I can't believe this sites. Back my btc or not I will die. I am poor guy. Primedice take my whole money, Everything I have. I just want to back my money.
How long you are betting 1.42x ? Those rolls look perfectly suited to busting someone who rolls that often... really bad luck
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Thanks for the withdrawal ! good luck !
They gave you the withdrawal after you just lost a good bit on primedice? Well that's nice of them.
We credited his withdrawal as soon as it was possible. It was when he was around 6 btc in profit.
I also included a bonus of 0.1 btc for the inconvenience.
I'm sure that .1btc is very useful to him now after busting on 3 accounts
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Thanks for the withdrawal ! good luck !
They gave you the withdrawal after you just lost a good bit on primedice? Well that's nice of them.
When he posted that message he was just after losing a good bit of btc Re: Primedice | Most Popular & Trusted | Huge Community | Free BTC
Thanks for the withdrawal ! good luck !
They gave you the withdrawal after you just lost a good bit on primedice? Well that's nice of them.
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The bet would have won if error hadn't occurred, 100% Bet's were verified differently back then
When I rolled the dice it didn't complete then just showed up a popup that simply said error. I couldn't do anything until I refreshed the page. Then I bet on <80 literally a few seconds later after I just got 3 reds in a row and of course there was a fourth and lost 1btc. Only after did I notice the 'error' caused my seeds to change upon refreshing the page.
It was just too suspicious, the timing of the error and then getting 4 <80 losses in a row right after when that's all I ever bet on.
Stunnas argument was if I won after the error, I wouldn't have given them the money back. - True, your 'error' not mine
And that they couldn't know what I would bet on, but literally my bets were as predictable as they could possibly be. I was betting 0 on <80 until I got 3 reds in a row then all in <80.
2.5 years later, still think I was cheated.
Stunna says they couldn't know what I was going to bet but my bets were so so predictable it would have been easy to know what I was going to do. I was doing the same thing all the time.
Timing of the 'error' which forced me to refresh the page (changing my seeds) was too suspicious. No technical explanation of the 'error' given. Perfect net connection, nobody else reporting errors at that time. My opinion, someone was watching, interrupted when they knew I would do a winning bet then fed me seeds which would make me lose seconds later.
If it smells like shit, it's shit.
Agree with the part their support having careless attitude, experienced it myself. But, in their defense, they must be dealing with a lot of players/scammers on a daily basis.
Disagree with your logic that you should get a refund for a lost bet. In this case, after knowing the server seed and client seed, you could say that you have won the bet. But, in reality, there is no way you could guarantee 100% that you can win a bet even if it is a 99% bet.
May be you should put an emphasis on that error that you've got and try to reproduce it instead of asking refund for a lost bet, they might give you a bounty reward if you point to an error on their system.
For all I know, Stunna is a reasonable guy from my recent experience with him. I examined their roll algorithm and can vouch for the provably fairness.
When I rolled the dice it didn't complete then just showed up a popup that simply said error. I couldn't do anything until I refreshed the page. Then I bet on <80 literally a few seconds later after I just got 3 reds in a row and of course there was a fourth and lost 1btc. Only after did I notice the 'error' caused my seeds to change upon refreshing the page.
It was just too suspicious, the timing of the error and then getting 4 <80 losses in a row right after when that's all I ever bet on.
Stunnas argument was if I won after the error, I wouldn't have given them the money back. - True, your 'error' not mine
And that they couldn't know what I would bet on, but literally my bets were as predictable as they could possibly be. I was betting 0 on <80 until I got 3 reds in a row then all in <80.
I'm posting this just to give my honest experience and opinions so please don't bash me.
Backstory - I started playing at primedice a few months ago, lots of fun and nice people in chat. Got to over 1btc last week, lost it all in single bet. Not primedices problem I said, fair bet fair loss. So I started playing again and was a hair away from 1btc until...
Now onto my opinions on what happened and how it was dealt with. First of all the support wasn't very good. Any replies I got were slow, crude one liners with a no care attitude until I basically begged for a decent response. I feel what happened is very unfair and here's the main reasons summed up
1. I can prove I'd have won the next 80% bet if the error didn't happen. I know what the server seed, client seed, secret were for that bet and it was a win. I was doing nothing except betting <80 waiting for a red streak. After hitting 3 reds in a row, I know I couldn't have helped myself from going all in (as I always do) but the chance to place this bet was stolen from me by an unfortunately timed error.
Server seed - 8e7d4946baa8d8ac94755
Client seed - 7446901-0028
And the server secret - 03985af5a27fa30227205acbd7aaac29ab2180c6e0c24358e96b2e8f006c8c1026656338a9a8b6f 48fcc0452fe868e6afa2bc7e57dbb0c1d1cbfbeadb6627511
Roll = 21.44
2. Wasn't told my client seed had been changed. If I had been, I'd have cashed out. If I didn't cash out, my future bets would have been very different. Why does primedice think the client seed is so important that they allow you to customize it but not important enough to let you know if it was just changed by them? On Just Dice, your server and client seed are never touched unless you do it manually yourself. They told me my bets after the error were fair because 'everything was laid out in front of me' but the fact my seed had been changed was not in front of me so I couldn't have possibly made a fair judgement on what to do after the error.
3. I still don't know why the error happened and despite mentioning it several times, I got no response about it. They didn't show any interest in finding out more about it either, instead just tell me how it had nothing to do with my loss. Because of its timing it's left me wondering why it happened when it did and makes me feel cheated.
I don't understand why they are so reluctant giving a refund in a situation like this (I mentioned the possibility of a 50% refund, still no interest). I was told its not the amount, but they don't like being taken advantage of. It's okay for you to be so cynical about my intentions, but not for me to think the error and resulting seed change was unfair. I thought you'd have been able to see from my amicable nature that I wasn't out to take advantage of you. You should want to keep your customers happy not force them away and make them feel like theres no other option but to make rants like this.
I know a lot of you may disagree with me but its easy to think that from the sideline as it didn't affect you. Ask yourself this. If you were betting, got an error that stopped you placing a bet you know you would've won... continued and lost all your btc a few moments later on the same bet... THEN find out someone had been messing around with important settings behind your back that completely changed all your future rolls, what would you think? Fair loss? Doubt it. It may seem like I'm just trying to make excuses for my loss, but I lost more at primedice a few days before this happened, got over it and continued betting there. Now I feel like throwing up even thinking of depositing. I've no problems accepting a fair loss after the initial disappointment wears off, but this loss was massively influenced by other factors that shouldn't have happened and were completely out of my control.
Not only did I lose all my btc in an unfair manner, I also missed an opportunity to win more because of the error. Why not take responsibility for your sites flaws when they could have had dire consequences for a regular player, fix them, then you won't have to deal with these kind of so called excuses ever again. Otherwise I really don't think its appropriate to be telling someone in my situation that they lost fairly. No matter how much I try to convince myself it was fair, it just ain't happening...there's nothing worse than feeling cheated by a place you like so much
Peace out primedicers.
Backstory - I started playing at primedice a few months ago, lots of fun and nice people in chat. Got to over 1btc last week, lost it all in single bet. Not primedices problem I said, fair bet fair loss. So I started playing again and was a hair away from 1btc until...
Now onto my opinions on what happened and how it was dealt with. First of all the support wasn't very good. Any replies I got were slow, crude one liners with a no care attitude until I basically begged for a decent response. I feel what happened is very unfair and here's the main reasons summed up
1. I can prove I'd have won the next 80% bet if the error didn't happen. I know what the server seed, client seed, secret were for that bet and it was a win. I was doing nothing except betting <80 waiting for a red streak. After hitting 3 reds in a row, I know I couldn't have helped myself from going all in (as I always do) but the chance to place this bet was stolen from me by an unfortunately timed error.
Server seed - 8e7d4946baa8d8ac94755
Client seed - 7446901-0028
And the server secret - 03985af5a27fa30227205acbd7aaac29ab2180c6e0c24358e96b2e8f006c8c1026656338a9a8b6f 48fcc0452fe868e6afa2bc7e57dbb0c1d1cbfbeadb6627511
Roll = 21.44
2. Wasn't told my client seed had been changed. If I had been, I'd have cashed out. If I didn't cash out, my future bets would have been very different. Why does primedice think the client seed is so important that they allow you to customize it but not important enough to let you know if it was just changed by them? On Just Dice, your server and client seed are never touched unless you do it manually yourself. They told me my bets after the error were fair because 'everything was laid out in front of me' but the fact my seed had been changed was not in front of me so I couldn't have possibly made a fair judgement on what to do after the error.
3. I still don't know why the error happened and despite mentioning it several times, I got no response about it. They didn't show any interest in finding out more about it either, instead just tell me how it had nothing to do with my loss. Because of its timing it's left me wondering why it happened when it did and makes me feel cheated.
I don't understand why they are so reluctant giving a refund in a situation like this (I mentioned the possibility of a 50% refund, still no interest). I was told its not the amount, but they don't like being taken advantage of. It's okay for you to be so cynical about my intentions, but not for me to think the error and resulting seed change was unfair. I thought you'd have been able to see from my amicable nature that I wasn't out to take advantage of you. You should want to keep your customers happy not force them away and make them feel like theres no other option but to make rants like this.
I know a lot of you may disagree with me but its easy to think that from the sideline as it didn't affect you. Ask yourself this. If you were betting, got an error that stopped you placing a bet you know you would've won... continued and lost all your btc a few moments later on the same bet... THEN find out someone had been messing around with important settings behind your back that completely changed all your future rolls, what would you think? Fair loss? Doubt it. It may seem like I'm just trying to make excuses for my loss, but I lost more at primedice a few days before this happened, got over it and continued betting there. Now I feel like throwing up even thinking of depositing. I've no problems accepting a fair loss after the initial disappointment wears off, but this loss was massively influenced by other factors that shouldn't have happened and were completely out of my control.
Not only did I lose all my btc in an unfair manner, I also missed an opportunity to win more because of the error. Why not take responsibility for your sites flaws when they could have had dire consequences for a regular player, fix them, then you won't have to deal with these kind of so called excuses ever again. Otherwise I really don't think its appropriate to be telling someone in my situation that they lost fairly. No matter how much I try to convince myself it was fair, it just ain't happening...there's nothing worse than feeling cheated by a place you like so much
Peace out primedicers.
2.5 years later, still think I was cheated.
Stunna says they couldn't know what I was going to bet but my bets were so so predictable it would have been easy to know what I was going to do. I was doing the same thing all the time.
Timing of the 'error' which forced me to refresh the page (changing my seeds) was too suspicious. No technical explanation of the 'error' given. Perfect net connection, nobody else reporting errors at that time. My opinion, someone was watching, interrupted when they knew I would do a winning bet then fed me seeds which would make me lose seconds later.
If it smells like shit, it's shit.
Agree with the part their support having careless attitude, experienced it myself. But, in their defense, they must be dealing with a lot of players/scammers on a daily basis.
Disagree with your logic that you should get a refund for a lost bet. In this case, after knowing the server seed and client seed, you could say that you have won the bet. But, in reality, there is no way you could guarantee 100% that you can win a bet even if it is a 99% bet.
May be you should put an emphasis on that error that you've got and try to reproduce it instead of asking refund for a lost bet, they might give you a bounty reward if you point to an error on their system.
For all I know, Stunna is a reasonable guy from my recent experience with him. I examined their roll algorithm and can vouch for the provably fairness.
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a support not responding 2 days
Good luck.. keep us updated. 3btc should not be a 'delayed' withdraw for a site as big as primedice
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hello. I made a withdrawal 3 BTC but the transaction on blockchain not appeared as a means to balance disappeared. 1GFLJV7YnwqMx1tzN56LmiqW1U6439BzXE address. my username u:moka5555
Try making a support ticket. Then wait for at least 3 working days. If nothing happens PM MICRO about it and post it here.
The hot wallets are often drained as a result of people winning too much
There is nothing the admins can do about it. So best thing for you is to wait for few days and you will get the amount, sometimes even with a bonus amount.If there's issues withdrawing 3btc god forbid what would happen when sin44/negan4/whateverotheralias he uses tries to withdraw. Never seen someone betting 10btc so carelessly and then not care at all when they lose 60btc. Wonder if its really a genuine player.
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I'm posting this just to give my honest experience and opinions so please don't bash me.
Backstory - I started playing at primedice a few months ago, lots of fun and nice people in chat. Got to over 1btc last week, lost it all in single bet. Not primedices problem I said, fair bet fair loss. So I started playing again and was a hair away from 1btc until...
Now onto my opinions on what happened and how it was dealt with. First of all the support wasn't very good. Any replies I got were slow, crude one liners with a no care attitude until I basically begged for a decent response. I feel what happened is very unfair and here's the main reasons summed up
1. I can prove I'd have won the next 80% bet if the error didn't happen. I know what the server seed, client seed, secret were for that bet and it was a win. I was doing nothing except betting <80 waiting for a red streak. After hitting 3 reds in a row, I know I couldn't have helped myself from going all in (as I always do) but the chance to place this bet was stolen from me by an unfortunately timed error.
Server seed - 8e7d4946baa8d8ac94755
Client seed - 7446901-0028
And the server secret - 03985af5a27fa30227205acbd7aaac29ab2180c6e0c24358e96b2e8f006c8c1026656338a9a8b6f 48fcc0452fe868e6afa2bc7e57dbb0c1d1cbfbeadb6627511
Roll = 21.44
2. Wasn't told my client seed had been changed. If I had been, I'd have cashed out. If I didn't cash out, my future bets would have been very different. Why does primedice think the client seed is so important that they allow you to customize it but not important enough to let you know if it was just changed by them? On Just Dice, your server and client seed are never touched unless you do it manually yourself. They told me my bets after the error were fair because 'everything was laid out in front of me' but the fact my seed had been changed was not in front of me so I couldn't have possibly made a fair judgement on what to do after the error.
3. I still don't know why the error happened and despite mentioning it several times, I got no response about it. They didn't show any interest in finding out more about it either, instead just tell me how it had nothing to do with my loss. Because of its timing it's left me wondering why it happened when it did and makes me feel cheated.
I don't understand why they are so reluctant giving a refund in a situation like this (I mentioned the possibility of a 50% refund, still no interest). I was told its not the amount, but they don't like being taken advantage of. It's okay for you to be so cynical about my intentions, but not for me to think the error and resulting seed change was unfair. I thought you'd have been able to see from my amicable nature that I wasn't out to take advantage of you. You should want to keep your customers happy not force them away and make them feel like theres no other option but to make rants like this.
I know a lot of you may disagree with me but its easy to think that from the sideline as it didn't affect you. Ask yourself this. If you were betting, got an error that stopped you placing a bet you know you would've won... continued and lost all your btc a few moments later on the same bet... THEN find out someone had been messing around with important settings behind your back that completely changed all your future rolls, what would you think? Fair loss? Doubt it. It may seem like I'm just trying to make excuses for my loss, but I lost more at primedice a few days before this happened, got over it and continued betting there. Now I feel like throwing up even thinking of depositing. I've no problems accepting a fair loss after the initial disappointment wears off, but this loss was massively influenced by other factors that shouldn't have happened and were completely out of my control.
Not only did I lose all my btc in an unfair manner, I also missed an opportunity to win more because of the error. Why not take responsibility for your sites flaws when they could have had dire consequences for a regular player, fix them, then you won't have to deal with these kind of so called excuses ever again. Otherwise I really don't think its appropriate to be telling someone in my situation that they lost fairly. No matter how much I try to convince myself it was fair, it just ain't happening...there's nothing worse than feeling cheated by a place you like so much
Peace out primedicers.
Backstory - I started playing at primedice a few months ago, lots of fun and nice people in chat. Got to over 1btc last week, lost it all in single bet. Not primedices problem I said, fair bet fair loss. So I started playing again and was a hair away from 1btc until...
Now onto my opinions on what happened and how it was dealt with. First of all the support wasn't very good. Any replies I got were slow, crude one liners with a no care attitude until I basically begged for a decent response. I feel what happened is very unfair and here's the main reasons summed up
1. I can prove I'd have won the next 80% bet if the error didn't happen. I know what the server seed, client seed, secret were for that bet and it was a win. I was doing nothing except betting <80 waiting for a red streak. After hitting 3 reds in a row, I know I couldn't have helped myself from going all in (as I always do) but the chance to place this bet was stolen from me by an unfortunately timed error.
Server seed - 8e7d4946baa8d8ac94755
Client seed - 7446901-0028
And the server secret - 03985af5a27fa30227205acbd7aaac29ab2180c6e0c24358e96b2e8f006c8c1026656338a9a8b6f 48fcc0452fe868e6afa2bc7e57dbb0c1d1cbfbeadb6627511
Roll = 21.44
2. Wasn't told my client seed had been changed. If I had been, I'd have cashed out. If I didn't cash out, my future bets would have been very different. Why does primedice think the client seed is so important that they allow you to customize it but not important enough to let you know if it was just changed by them? On Just Dice, your server and client seed are never touched unless you do it manually yourself. They told me my bets after the error were fair because 'everything was laid out in front of me' but the fact my seed had been changed was not in front of me so I couldn't have possibly made a fair judgement on what to do after the error.
3. I still don't know why the error happened and despite mentioning it several times, I got no response about it. They didn't show any interest in finding out more about it either, instead just tell me how it had nothing to do with my loss. Because of its timing it's left me wondering why it happened when it did and makes me feel cheated.
I don't understand why they are so reluctant giving a refund in a situation like this (I mentioned the possibility of a 50% refund, still no interest). I was told its not the amount, but they don't like being taken advantage of. It's okay for you to be so cynical about my intentions, but not for me to think the error and resulting seed change was unfair. I thought you'd have been able to see from my amicable nature that I wasn't out to take advantage of you. You should want to keep your customers happy not force them away and make them feel like theres no other option but to make rants like this.
I know a lot of you may disagree with me but its easy to think that from the sideline as it didn't affect you. Ask yourself this. If you were betting, got an error that stopped you placing a bet you know you would've won... continued and lost all your btc a few moments later on the same bet... THEN find out someone had been messing around with important settings behind your back that completely changed all your future rolls, what would you think? Fair loss? Doubt it. It may seem like I'm just trying to make excuses for my loss, but I lost more at primedice a few days before this happened, got over it and continued betting there. Now I feel like throwing up even thinking of depositing. I've no problems accepting a fair loss after the initial disappointment wears off, but this loss was massively influenced by other factors that shouldn't have happened and were completely out of my control.
Not only did I lose all my btc in an unfair manner, I also missed an opportunity to win more because of the error. Why not take responsibility for your sites flaws when they could have had dire consequences for a regular player, fix them, then you won't have to deal with these kind of so called excuses ever again. Otherwise I really don't think its appropriate to be telling someone in my situation that they lost fairly. No matter how much I try to convince myself it was fair, it just ain't happening...there's nothing worse than feeling cheated by a place you like so much
Peace out primedicers.
2.5 years later, still think I was cheated.
Stunna says they couldn't know what I was going to bet but my bets were so so predictable it would have been easy to know what I was going to do. I was doing the same thing all the time.
Timing of the 'error' which forced me to refresh the page (changing my seeds) was too suspicious. No technical explanation of the 'error' given. Perfect net connection, nobody else reporting errors at that time. My opinion, someone was watching, interrupted when they knew I would do a winning bet then fed me seeds which would make me lose seconds later.
If it smells like shit, it's shit.
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LOL at you thinking your betting would have FOR SURE ended differently or you would've ended up a winner. That 12th roll has a 20% chance of losing just like any other roll. Jesus christ, he has ignored you for days, take a hint. You are getting nothing back like I told you from day 1.
You are a grade A douchebag. I don't even think you know whats going on, just want to post shit. He hasn't ignored me for days, pm's are a wonderful thing.
I know for a fact I'd have won my next bet had the error not happened, please read above where I post the seeds. I also know for a fact I'd have cashed out if I was told my seed had been changed. I wouldn't have placed the bets I did otherwise.. so yes the outcome would have been different with no error.
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i proposed someone write software to do this which i was told is a no no ;-) lmfaoooo
There's some sort of misconception that we're against software/personal scripts. This is not true, as long as you aren't doing something that is putting significant stress on our site we're fine with it .
So is there no way you are going to change your mind about this? I don't want to be wasting my time expecting a response if there's not going to be one. At least I have put my opinions out there I guess.
I'm really upset at this outcome though and I know for a fact my betting would not have ended the same with no error happening or if I knew my seed was changed. It's a very harsh way for me to lose all my btc, I just wish you could show a bit more compassion and understand. I deposited a lot, and left with nothing because of an error. Whether you want to believe this or not, I know its the truth.
Anyway I love all you guys who made primedice so fun for me
I could not stand returning though after this as I don't like this feeling of it being me against the world. I know what happened, and how it affected the outcome (say oh of course your gonna say that cause you lost!) all you want, but I really don't think anyone truly believes/cares how shitty I feel over this. The amount of btc I lost is only 1 part of what matters to me, I expected more support from a place which seemed so friendly. Stunna, if you change your mind you know my pd account hehe
Some shoutouts, forgive me if I missed you..this is just a short list
Hui for being the quizmaster
Micro for funding the quiz wallet
Pokerjet for always appearing at the right time to mute people
Pthmnj for being a beggar
Stunna for creating pd + introducing me to flappybirds
Hoe for having 30 accounts
Dankkk for failing on join.me repeatedly and getting scammed on a daily basis
Globalfiasco for being awesome
Nahtnam for being underage
Later everyone
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Umm...
Sorry on autobet now , can't refresh, so u saying that client seed changes after refresh but not server seed ? But u did not done all in and lost on the next bet after refresh. U lost on 12th 13th bet after refresh, u changed ur betting coz of refresh, but u saying u was thinking all is exactly the same as before refresh or u woulda cashout. Doesn't make sense.
Anyways we should not argue more about it. U got reply from Stunna, and u and me just can't agree on this , ever, so there is no point of arguing.
Sorry for ur loss i lost almost whole wallet balance 0.4 btc, on that vanity scam i know how does it feel to lose everything but to be honest i would be much more happy if i lost it on pd
. Yes , server seed does not change until u place a bet. The seed u see is what will be used on your next bet.
I didn't do all in on next bet after refresh because it disrupted my betting. It's hard to explain... when you're betting manual click click click.. and then an error happens, it stops what you're doing and thinking. I did 50% to get back the loss of the last 80% loss and then back to 80%. This would not have happened with no error. I'd almost certainly have gone all in, like I did a few bets later..only I would have won and not lost. Instead of over 1.1btc balance with no error, I went to 0.
I'd prefer to have my btc taken by a stranger than lose on PD like this
I still think I deserve a decent refund on my deposit because of this, the error is not the only thing. It's also not being told my client seed was changed afterwards, because there's no way I would have continued betting if I knew this. It is all just a series of unfortunate events that I wish Stunna could see from my point of view and offer a reasonable and fair solution for both of us. I'd be happy with 50%, that way none of us comes out in such a bad way, since we have different opinions and all.
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last time i checked the client seed changes EVERY ROLL!!! ~unless you change it! =\
Yes it changes by 1 number up.
spixel tell me again how u got server seed for the next bet that did not happen ?
The server seed is taken from my next successful bet after the error. It you go on primedice and open the 'provably fair tab' look at your server seed.
Now place a bet, you will see this is the seed of the bet you just placed when you check the bet id.
Now look at the server seed again which will be different, refresh primedice and you'll see its the exact same until you place one more successful bet. Only the client seed changes on a refresh.
So those seeds are 100% what would have happened with no error, and my bet would have been <80 like all the others.
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I'm posting this just to give my honest experience and opinions so please don't bash me.
Backstory - I started playing at primedice a few months ago, lots of fun and nice people in chat. Got to over 1btc last week, lost it all in single bet. Not primedices problem I said, fair bet fair loss. So I started playing again and was a hair away from 1btc until...
Backstory - I started playing at primedice a few months ago, lots of fun and nice people in chat. Got to over 1btc last week, lost it all in single bet. Not primedices problem I said, fair bet fair loss. So I started playing again and was a hair away from 1btc until...
First of all, I don't understand why you insist on claiming you were "cheated". When you hit bet all the information was in front of you. There's no reason to assume that elements of our site would be exactly the same as another. Essentially this argument reminds me of people who are upset when they refresh the page and roll and notice that the roll over is reset back to the 49.5 default rather than what they had set prior. I'm pretty sure someone complained to Doog about the same issue claiming that PD resets the roll over and JD doesn't which confused them.
If you have any understanding of statistics you would understand that refreshing the page 1 million times would change your odds of winning. I've sent you over 10 replies via emai/PM and gave you a small refund despite completely disagreeing with everything you said. At the end of the day had you won the roll or rolled the other direction you wouldn't think twice and wouldn't be offering me a refund. I understand how frustrating it is to lose your money and I strongly urge users not to bet anything that they cannot afford to lose and play for fun instead.
I've responded to you a variety of times and marked your case as solved on email, if you decide not to use the site again that is fine but I will uphold my opinion that ensuring fair odds rather than magical seeds is what matters. I'm not interested in debating this matter further here.
spixel , i will have to dis agree with u once again. When u said that u can prove that u woulda won that next bet , coz u had 3 reds before it just shows how much u don't know about chance, provability , statistic , and what u are doing on dice game.
U still had 20% chance of losing next bet! That is just a fact! And there is absolutely no way for u to prove that u woulda won that next bet.
And when error happened u DID NOT BET ALL IN on the next bet. So u known that circumstances changed. U lost only after 12 bets and in that 12 bets EVERYTHING changed, ur server seed changed 12 times and that is change that changes next bet outcome.
What are u saying/asking just doesn't make any sense.
1 more thing do autobet on 80% and see how much bets will take u to have 4 reds in a row. Its not only possible to get 4+ reds in a row on 80% , but chance is not that small AT ALL.
Again sorry for ur loss but u decided to gamble it , u took the risk , in ur case 20% of risk. And that is it. U need to get over it.
Micro I can prove it. Look at the seeds I posted, those were the ones for my next bet.
About the get over it part.. read where I said its easy to think that as your on the sideline.
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I'm posting this just to give my honest experience and opinions so please don't bash me.
Backstory - I started playing at primedice a few months ago, lots of fun and nice people in chat. Got to over 1btc last week, lost it all in single bet. Not primedices problem I said, fair bet fair loss. So I started playing again and was a hair away from 1btc until...
Backstory - I started playing at primedice a few months ago, lots of fun and nice people in chat. Got to over 1btc last week, lost it all in single bet. Not primedices problem I said, fair bet fair loss. So I started playing again and was a hair away from 1btc until...
First of all, I don't understand why you insist on claiming you were "cheated". When you hit bet all the information was in front of you. There's no reason to assume that elements of our site would be exactly the same as another. Essentially this argument reminds me of people who are upset when they refresh the page and roll and notice that the roll over is reset back to the 49.5 default rather than what they had set prior. I'm pretty sure someone complained to Doog about the same issue claiming that PD resets the roll over and JD doesn't which confused them.
If you have any understanding of statistics you would understand that refreshing the page 1 million times would change your odds of winning. I've sent you over 10 replies via emai/PM and gave you a small refund despite completely disagreeing with everything you said. At the end of the day had you won the roll or rolled the other direction you wouldn't think twice and wouldn't be offering me a refund. I understand how frustrating it is to lose your money and I strongly urge users not to bet anything that they cannot afford to lose and play for fun instead.
It's not the same Stunna. That's infront of you, the client seed change is hidden. How do you know I only base my betting decisions on the win chance? Like I said, if I knew my seed was changed my bets would have been different (but its irrelevant as I would have cashed out anyway in this instance) And what about the fact my next 80% roll would have won had there not been an error?
The thing is I didn't win so can you not see why I'm upset? True, if I won I wouldn't be offering you a refund. But that's because I wouldn't have noticed the ill effect of the error, and the error was on your site so I shouldn't reap the consequences.
The amount of the bet is irrelevant in this case but I know what you mean. If people only bet for fun, you wouldn't make near as much money though
. I really just wish you could see things from my point of view. I'm a very honest person and not out to try take advantage. I told you I was appreciative of the .05 credit (but I don't know if this was just because Micro asked) but it just isn't enough to make the feel the outcome was fair after losing 1btc which was all I had.Re: PrimeDice.com | 500M+ Bets | 300k+ BTC Wagered | Free BTC | 1% Edge | Instant
I'm posting this just to give my honest experience and opinions so please don't bash me.
Backstory - I started playing at primedice a few months ago, lots of fun and nice people in chat. Got to over 1btc last week, lost it all in single bet. Not primedices problem I said, fair bet fair loss. So I started playing again and was a hair away from 1btc until...
Now onto my opinions on what happened and how it was dealt with. First of all the support wasn't very good. Any replies I got were slow, crude one liners with a no care attitude until I basically begged for a decent response. I feel what happened is very unfair and here's the main reasons summed up
1. I can prove I'd have won the next 80% bet if the error didn't happen. I know what the server seed, client seed, secret were for that bet and it was a win. I was doing nothing except betting <80 waiting for a red streak. After hitting 3 reds in a row, I know I couldn't have helped myself from going all in (as I always do) but the chance to place this bet was stolen from me by an unfortunately timed error.
Server seed - 8e7d4946baa8d8ac94755
Client seed - 7446901-0028
And the server secret - 03985af5a27fa30227205acbd7aaac29ab2180c6e0c24358e96b2e8f006c8c1026656338a9a8b6f 48fcc0452fe868e6afa2bc7e57dbb0c1d1cbfbeadb6627511
Roll = 21.44
2. Wasn't told my client seed had been changed. If I had been, I'd have cashed out. If I didn't cash out, my future bets would have been very different. Why does primedice think the client seed is so important that they allow you to customize it but not important enough to let you know if it was just changed by them? On Just Dice, your server and client seed are never touched unless you do it manually yourself. They told me my bets after the error were fair because 'everything was laid out in front of me' but the fact my seed had been changed was not in front of me so I couldn't have possibly made a fair judgement on what to do after the error.
3. I still don't know why the error happened and despite mentioning it several times, I got no response about it. They didn't show any interest in finding out more about it either, instead just tell me how it had nothing to do with my loss. Because of its timing it's left me wondering why it happened when it did and makes me feel cheated.
I don't understand why they are so reluctant giving a refund in a situation like this (I mentioned the possibility of a 50% refund, still no interest). I was told its not the amount, but they don't like being taken advantage of. It's okay for you to be so cynical about my intentions, but not for me to think the error and resulting seed change was unfair. I thought you'd have been able to see from my amicable nature that I wasn't out to take advantage of you. You should want to keep your customers happy not force them away and make them feel like theres no other option but to make rants like this.
I know a lot of you may disagree with me but its easy to think that from the sideline as it didn't affect you. Ask yourself this. If you were betting, got an error that stopped you placing a bet you know you would've won... continued and lost all your btc a few moments later on the same bet... THEN find out someone had been messing around with important settings behind your back that completely changed all your future rolls, what would you think? Fair loss? Doubt it. It may seem like I'm just trying to make excuses for my loss, but I lost more at primedice a few days before this happened, got over it and continued betting there. Now I feel like throwing up even thinking of depositing. I've no problems accepting a fair loss after the initial disappointment wears off, but this loss was massively influenced by other factors that shouldn't have happened and were completely out of my control.
Not only did I lose all my btc in an unfair manner, I also missed an opportunity to win more because of the error. Why not take responsibility for your sites flaws when they could have had dire consequences for a regular player, fix them, then you won't have to deal with these kind of so called excuses ever again. Otherwise I really don't think its appropriate to be telling someone in my situation that they lost fairly. No matter how much I try to convince myself it was fair, it just ain't happening...there's nothing worse than feeling cheated by a place you like so much
Peace out primedicers.
Backstory - I started playing at primedice a few months ago, lots of fun and nice people in chat. Got to over 1btc last week, lost it all in single bet. Not primedices problem I said, fair bet fair loss. So I started playing again and was a hair away from 1btc until...
Now onto my opinions on what happened and how it was dealt with. First of all the support wasn't very good. Any replies I got were slow, crude one liners with a no care attitude until I basically begged for a decent response. I feel what happened is very unfair and here's the main reasons summed up
1. I can prove I'd have won the next 80% bet if the error didn't happen. I know what the server seed, client seed, secret were for that bet and it was a win. I was doing nothing except betting <80 waiting for a red streak. After hitting 3 reds in a row, I know I couldn't have helped myself from going all in (as I always do) but the chance to place this bet was stolen from me by an unfortunately timed error.
Server seed - 8e7d4946baa8d8ac94755
Client seed - 7446901-0028
And the server secret - 03985af5a27fa30227205acbd7aaac29ab2180c6e0c24358e96b2e8f006c8c1026656338a9a8b6f 48fcc0452fe868e6afa2bc7e57dbb0c1d1cbfbeadb6627511
Roll = 21.44
2. Wasn't told my client seed had been changed. If I had been, I'd have cashed out. If I didn't cash out, my future bets would have been very different. Why does primedice think the client seed is so important that they allow you to customize it but not important enough to let you know if it was just changed by them? On Just Dice, your server and client seed are never touched unless you do it manually yourself. They told me my bets after the error were fair because 'everything was laid out in front of me' but the fact my seed had been changed was not in front of me so I couldn't have possibly made a fair judgement on what to do after the error.
3. I still don't know why the error happened and despite mentioning it several times, I got no response about it. They didn't show any interest in finding out more about it either, instead just tell me how it had nothing to do with my loss. Because of its timing it's left me wondering why it happened when it did and makes me feel cheated.
I don't understand why they are so reluctant giving a refund in a situation like this (I mentioned the possibility of a 50% refund, still no interest). I was told its not the amount, but they don't like being taken advantage of. It's okay for you to be so cynical about my intentions, but not for me to think the error and resulting seed change was unfair. I thought you'd have been able to see from my amicable nature that I wasn't out to take advantage of you. You should want to keep your customers happy not force them away and make them feel like theres no other option but to make rants like this.
I know a lot of you may disagree with me but its easy to think that from the sideline as it didn't affect you. Ask yourself this. If you were betting, got an error that stopped you placing a bet you know you would've won... continued and lost all your btc a few moments later on the same bet... THEN find out someone had been messing around with important settings behind your back that completely changed all your future rolls, what would you think? Fair loss? Doubt it. It may seem like I'm just trying to make excuses for my loss, but I lost more at primedice a few days before this happened, got over it and continued betting there. Now I feel like throwing up even thinking of depositing. I've no problems accepting a fair loss after the initial disappointment wears off, but this loss was massively influenced by other factors that shouldn't have happened and were completely out of my control.
Not only did I lose all my btc in an unfair manner, I also missed an opportunity to win more because of the error. Why not take responsibility for your sites flaws when they could have had dire consequences for a regular player, fix them, then you won't have to deal with these kind of so called excuses ever again. Otherwise I really don't think its appropriate to be telling someone in my situation that they lost fairly. No matter how much I try to convince myself it was fair, it just ain't happening...there's nothing worse than feeling cheated by a place you like so much
Peace out primedicers.
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Itd be cool to have the captchas be all numbers on pd3. I get the letter ones wrong alot
What, those captchas are letters? Thought they were alien symbols or something