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Re: Is it possible to develop a new firmware for all ref of miners ?
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stigo
on 20/07/2021, 11:30:47 UTC
Hi,

Is it possible to create a new custom firmware for all references of miners? Or There are some miners which are impossible to cheat with ?
Why it's easy to find custom firmware for some refs and not for others? cost, the reputation of the ref, technical issues ...??

Thanks
it's not hard to create a firmware.
But each miner works differently, some a lot more different than others.

The S15/S17 hack ones are simply based on the S9 code with some modifications.
Heck I created the (free) code fixes and firmware updates for the S1, S2, S3 (but stopped doing it after that)

The issue is that those who do create them seem to think that since they spend a small amount of time working on the changes, they should be paid by everyone who uses it, and they can ignore the license requirements when using the cgminer code since they think they deserve to hide their code and break the license - even though the work involved in the free cgminer code they are using is hundreds of times more effort then they ever spent on anything.

No idea why people even put up with this, but I guess a small number of people have no idea what they are doing, and thus pay fees all over the place and don't even realise how much they are losing. Hack fees, pool fees, withdrawal fees, deposit fees, exchange fees, withdrawal fees, bank fees. The first two are the highest of them all for anyone who uses hack firmware.

Thanks for the answer, do you know the average cost of development of a custom firmware in general? I know it's kind of a large question,may be you you have same example ?
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Re: What is the average lifespan of an ASIC miner ?
by
stigo
on 19/07/2021, 12:01:25 UTC
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Ok I just saw pictures of the connection between the APW9 and S19 .
Difficult but possible to replace this connection with short power cables .
The power connections are not the problem. How the PSU's work is the problem: Modern miners do not use a fixed, universally available 12VDC input like older miners did.

In older miners 12VDC was fed to each hash board and each board had a second regulator on them that lowered the 12V to a level suitable to feed the strings of chips. Those secondary regulators introduced an efficiency loss plus the low voltage limited the number of chips that can be in a string. Modern miners directly control the PSU to set voltage to the strings and that voltage will be variable to somewhere between 15 and 21VDC depending on the model of miner and the miner settings. So, now not only are there more chips in each string but the voltage fed to them is now directly adjustable by the miner controller talking to a custom PSU and because there are no secondary regulators that increases efficiency by several %.

to be clear the controller looks at the oem psu and reads its name model number.

so if your replacement psu has a different model number the controller says fuck you I want model 1 and you gave me model 1a

I had this happen with whatsminer gear. the psu died they shipped me an upgraded psu

P11 vs p10 and the controller needed new firmware to read the new psu.

Wow! It means if your PSU is dead , you must ask directly the ASIC compagnies for a spare or upgraded PSU according to your miner?
If it yes how resellers deal with it in this case ?
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Is it possible to develop a new firmware for all ref of miners ?
by
stigo
on 19/07/2021, 11:55:58 UTC
Hi,

Is it possible to create a new custom firmware for all references of miners? Or There are some miners which are impossible to cheat with ?
Why it's easy to find custom firmware for some refs and not for others? cost, the reputation of the ref, technical issues ...??

Thanks
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Re: What is the average lifespan of an ASIC miner ?
by
stigo
on 18/07/2021, 00:41:34 UTC
if it is not 12V do you know the DC voltage of their own designed Built-in PSUs ? do you know a miner reference?

It's different for every model or a set of models, for example, the APW9's output is 14.5V-21V DC which is the same voltage for the APW9+, but each is suitable for different models, you can't mix PSUs, the miner won't start.

Also, it's isn't just a matter of matching the voltage, most new miners connect to the hash boards using direct busbars at a very specific orientation, so even if you managed to trick the firmware to accept a different PSU it will be hard to deal with the connectors, so long story short, it will be extremely difficult to use any PSU except the one that the manufacturer itself makes.

This is why one should always stick to buying the same model, doing so, you end up with spare parts to revive different miners, if you have 10 gears, one loses a PSU, another loses hash boards and the 3rd one loses a control board, you can mix the parts and end up with only 1 dead miner as opposed to 3, but if you buy 1-2 of every model, you will be in trouble.



Ok I just saw pictures of the connection between the APW9 and S19 .
Difficult but possible to replace connectors with short power cables .

Thanks
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Re: What is the average lifespan of an ASIC miner ?
by
stigo
on 17/07/2021, 23:55:01 UTC

There are other components that fail, but most of the time is a dead chip or a few of them, if you think that is a small problem which can be easily and cheaply fixed then you need to do more research, the average fix for a chip would be in the $100 range including labor, of course it depends on where you live, but if you are going to buy a used gear for $400 today, chances are by the time it needs fixing you can buy it for $200, fixing a single chip for $100 or even $50 does not make any sense, so more often than not and especially with the old gears, once a single chip dies, the whole board is rendered dead as far as logic is concerned.

Another common issue would be the PSU, many gears are known to have fragile PSU, and the problem is, most gears today don't use a universal 12v PSU which you can buy of anywhere, they rather use their own designed built-in PSU which in most cases are hard to find, many people have perfectly working miners that need PSU and can't find them.




Thanks for these details . I know that is not easy to change a chip but I used to do this kind of task with professional material.

if it is not 12V do you know the DC voltage of their own designed Built-in PSUs ? do you know a miner reference?
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Re: What happens if 2 miners start solo mining at the same time with the same hard
by
stigo
on 17/07/2021, 19:00:22 UTC


Thank you for detailed answer . I understand that a pool will not give the same work, and now I understand that even 2 solo miners with the same conditions will not get the same work .
My question is if it is the case what happens?


..
however if you are a solo miner. making your own block and you had a friend who you want to work on YOURBLOCK well.
you can do any pattern or splitting you like.. and yes you can tell your friend to start at the same sequence as you..
.. but why would you want to.. your doing double work and just wasting each others time..
.

In this case for example...
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Re: What is the average lifespan of an ASIC miner ?
by
stigo
on 17/07/2021, 09:35:08 UTC
Thank you all for these answers.

So when you said a miner is dead, this means that probably ( with high probability ) one or more sha256 chips are KO. Is this chip the most fragile component on a miner?  and overclocking them reduce drastically their lifespan ?

Are there other reasons that reduce the lifespan?
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Re: What is the average lifespan of an ASIC miner ?
by
stigo
on 17/07/2021, 09:17:59 UTC
Mikey brings up a good point talking about miners being resold possibly multiple times: You included the point of "free electricity" in the OP. The only reason that should matter is if you are getting used & older, less power efficient, hardware. Point being the question for you that should bring is, "the hardware is x years old, how much longer will it last?"

Are you looking at using/getting old to very old gear?

Yes I'm going to Re-use old miners
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Re: Can a pool track an ASIC miner ?
by
stigo
on 16/07/2021, 20:05:36 UTC
Why would you even care?
However, to answer:
  Using OEM firmware - no.
  Using 3rd party firmware, because they periodically mine to a special DEV fee pool -- maybe.

Any particular reason you are asking these security-related questions? Are you mining in a country where it is illegal? If you are - BAD idea!

No I'm not in a country where it's illegal. I'm just looking for some details (nothing illegal or bad ) ...

So maybe it's possible with a new firmware... that what I thought
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What is the average lifespan of an ASIC miner ?
by
stigo
on 16/07/2021, 19:23:36 UTC
Hi,

Suppose that Asic miner is working 24/24 and 7/7 in normal conditions

What is the average Hardware lifespan ?

I will appreciate any documentation about this

Thanks
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MOVED: What happens if 2 miners start solo mining at the same time with the same hard
by
stigo
on 16/07/2021, 18:56:52 UTC
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Can a pool track an ASIC miner ?
by
stigo
on 16/07/2021, 18:49:28 UTC
Hi,

Is there any possibility for a pool to track  ( or to identify) an Asic miner if the worker or IP address changes ?
I mean if I have an ASIC miner and want to give it to another miner , there is any possibility ( firmware or software ) for the pool to know that is my asic miner ?

Thanks
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Re: What happens if 2 miners start solo mining at the same time with the same hard
by
stigo
on 15/07/2021, 18:20:08 UTC
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In solo mining : miner try to find the block itself , he tries all nonces. so the work is all possibilities
another solo miner will do the same , so he will try all possibilities .
What's wrong with that ?
If you are talking about a different miner on the planet mining to a different node/pool that is an entirely different matter. Is it possible they may get the same work at the same time? Sure.

It is also bloody unlikely because the work sent to them is completely random and is defined by the node they get the work from. Not only can/will the work ID's be different but the underlying data itself will be as well because the node/pool picks what Tx's to process and again that results in different work being sent. Also keep in mind that even the fastest hardware cannot sequentially process all possible values before someone, somewhere, finds a block and forces new work to be started. 232 is a huge, huge number...

Sorry to be bouncing you around the Forum but since you are inquiring about the nuts and bolts of how mining works you might want to move this discussion to the Development & Technical area of the Forum where you will get more eyeballs looking at your questions.

Thanks I will try to find answers there
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Re: What happens if 2 miners start solo mining at the same time with the same hard
by
stigo
on 15/07/2021, 18:18:56 UTC
This is again one of those threads, in which I don't understand the most relevant question asked. Why open such messy threads?

Hölpölöpöpööpöööö question jiberrish joo ..

This is BITCOIN TALK  FOR ALL PEOPLE, ALL BACKGROUND LEVELS!
I you don't like the question and if you cant stay humble just be quiet and don't reply!
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Re: What happens if 2 miners start solo mining at the same time with the same hard
by
stigo
on 15/07/2021, 17:38:16 UTC
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So in solo mining, all miners will get the same work , right?
No. As explained before the software feeding work to a miner DOES NOT ALLOW THAT. All miners pointed at the same pool or private node get different work unless you screw with the code on your experimental node. If a pool does it (sends same work) then whoever operates it is a idiot.

So there is something i dont understand :
To validate a block , a nonce must be found . Miners try to compute a maximum amount of hashes to find it .
In pool mining : the pool dispatches all nonces ( and extra nonces ) to all pools members . The pool gives works ( range of possibilities ) to all pools members . So it's logical that no two members will get the same work
In solo mining : miner try to find the block itself , he tries all nonces. so the work is all possibilities
another solo miner will do the same , so he will try all possibilities .
What's wrong with that ?
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Re: What happens if 2 miners start solo mining at the same time with the same hard
by
stigo
on 15/07/2021, 17:12:53 UTC
As Kano and I have said in 2 other threads you started: NO!
Solo or otherwise the pool software assigns different ID's and therefore work to the miners. If you are talking about their speed - still no because a miner's hashrate varies quite a bit. Even any given single miner will have different hash rates and results each time it gets new work.

Thanks, the last thread was about pools and you said that is a non existent question ( I agree but I said "suppose that"). I'm new on this stuff and I just want to understand

So in solo mining, all miners will get the same work , right?
if yes then 2 similar miners starting at the same time , their shares will be different because even if they are both similar, there are still same hardawre difference ( tolerance of components may be )

So , if a solo miner REDO ( I know it's not possible) the same work as before, it will get the same results as before ?
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What happens if 2 miners start solo mining at the same time with the same hard
by
stigo
on 15/07/2021, 16:28:00 UTC
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Hello

If 2 miners start solo mining at the same time with the same hardware and firmware :
Will their shares be the same ? 

thanks
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Re: Hard question : Mining pool and 2 different miners --> same shares if same work?
by
stigo
on 15/07/2021, 16:03:43 UTC
If the work generator software is coded badly and doesn't give a different stratum coinbase sig to two different miners, then they will probably mine some of the same results.

If the two miners are exactly the same firmware and hardware, then giving two miners the same work will produce some of the same results.
They will not always produce exactly the same results, since the two miners will not mine at exactly the same hash rate and exactly the same CPU clocks getting exactly the same time between generating internal work.
But typically one would do more work and the other slower one would do a less amount of work that overlaps from the start of the faster miner.

P.S. since you included the term "Pool" in the header. No that wont happen unless the pool doesn't know what they are doing.

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Hard question : Mining pool and 2 different miners --> same shares if same work?
by
stigo
on 15/07/2021, 02:40:25 UTC
Hello,

I didn't find answers to my questions on the web or the bitcointalk pools forum , can you help please :

I know that a pool will not send the same work to different miners .

SUPPOSE there are two antminers S9i ( for example)  mining on a pool

SUPPOSE that the pool sends the same work to these miners and the difficulty is the same for both.

-Will the miners' shares be exactly the same in this case ? (I mean with the same delays and hashes)


Now suppose that the pool REsends the same work to an antminer

-Will the shares be exactly the same as before ? (I mean with the same delays and hashes)



Thanks
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Re: Difficult questions : Mining pool and 2 similar miners --> Same shares ???
by
stigo
on 15/07/2021, 02:28:49 UTC
If instead your question isn't pool related. and you want to know how mining software that does solo mining, avoids the problem of generating the same work, when you run two solo miners, then you need to ask that in the "Mining Software" section here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=42.0

Ok thank you