Very true, but since we're speculating...
 

Well if it is him, it sounds like he approves of what Evan has accomplished.

Quote: "For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network.  Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution.  I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism."

Nice feature! 

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/can-ripple-labs-track/

Splawik, I just sent you a pm. I want everyone to know what an incredable help both you and Mangled Blue have been to me. You exemplify the kind of good natured support that puts this community head and shoulders above anything else I have seen on BCT. I feel so sorry for the bitter trolls and victims of scams who have no sense of the joy that comes from helping others and being helped in a community striving for a better world. Not that any of us are perfect... just that we really do want to be moving in that direction.

Peace and joy to you all...

Wow! MB, I just might beat you! I am only 10 Dash short at the moment. I will need to give Splawik his two-week notice, so I can get my shares back. I have got my raspberry pi already, so I have two weeks to figure everything out and get things up and running. I want to thank you for your help with my first shares. I remember very well thinking I would never get to the point I am at now. I never realized back then that you did not have your own masternodes. I am happy to hear you are about to arive as well!

Let's hear it for the little big guys. We may not be whales by some standards, but with less than 2,500 masternodes, we are the world's elite.

+1 I like the way you think alex-ru.

In thinking about the fungibility issue the first thought that comes to mind for an alternative to darksend is "fungicide," but strictly speaking that implies "fungability killer." Maybe something like Anti-fungicide, but that lacks something as well. Fungifier maybe, or refungifier?

OK--never mind...

In any event, it is clear that Bitcoin has a problem with fungicide, and we have the solution.

IMHO if you MUST respond to trolls, THIS is the way to do it. Please note #1; the lack of any direct quote, depriving the troll of the attention he craves. #2; the reasonable tone, without shrill or corse language. #3; Content which is a pleasure to read in its own right, and adds substance to the thread.

If the only response to trolling here was either this, or complete silence, this thread would become a true joy to read, and trolls would soon realize that they really were helping our cause. Shrill, rude, and in-kind responses only give the trolls what they want, distract from the readability of the thread, and cause lurkers to wonder if we are any different than they are. Yes the trolls are frustrating, but a consistent reasoned response, or total silence, will quickly reveal to lurkers and newbies who is worth listening to.

For those who don't have Tokenormal's silver tongue, but feel compelled to enter the fray, you might consider the suggestions offered on this link and cite the trolling techniques by number: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-04/how-beat-internet-trolls

+1 X 10

... pretty please!

+1 to your original post Tante.
@ Masternode, yes this is good to hear. Are they posted somewhere for review by the public, or at least for foundation members?

I assume you mean the winery and the whinery.

My understanding is that enforcement depends on miner, not masternode updating.

Do we have any confirmation that enforcement is on?

Careful... you're starting to sound like Camosoul!  

I have repeatedly addressed this concern and offered a realistic (dare I say well accepted by Fortune 500) solution.

+1

Vertoe, it is so good to hear from you, I have missed you, and I am not alone, as many posts here make clear. That is not to say that I agree with you entirely (or even substantially) on the substance of your post. On the other hand, I cannot say that I do not find an element of agreement in your concerns, however at this point and on balance I find that at this stage of development I am happy with the situation I find here. I think that Tantestefana raises a valid question that I too would like to hear answered. Other than your frustration with the managerial situation, do you have any specific concerns with the tech as it stands, and more importantly, do you believe you have potential solutions that have not been given fair consideration?

Given that I would like to think I played a small part in convincing Evan that a name change was in the best interest of this project, and his initially strident opposition, it seems obvious that Evan (whatever his dictatorial aspirations may or may not be) is open to input from the community. I for one would like to hear your concerns--though I hasten to add that I think DashTalk.org should be the venue for such a discussion. I would like to add my voice to the chorus of calls for your reintegration into the community, recognizing that some admission should be given to your rash behavior. If you can recognize that you feel slighted by Evan, you should also be able to recognize that you would not appreciate being on the receiving end of the behavior you exhibited as well. I trust you are not counted among those who consider an eye for an eye as a valid system for the creation of a better society.

I sincerely hope that your post here was a step towards beginning a conversation, and not simply a drive-by shooting. You have been an asset to this community, and I would like to think that whatever your grievances, you can see that it has not been a one-way street, and that you will return to help bring to fruition the hope that we share, for a medium of exchange unfettered by the prying eyes and controlling hands of the powers that be.

While this is certainly off topic, I have some time at the moment, and this is certainly a more pleasant diversion than troll baiting.

The Matrix films did a fairly good job of denting the materialistic/reductionist world view held by contemporary western society, but it made no significant attempt to provide a coherent replacement. The "8 veils" video from my perspective did little other than support the misguided, but wise sounding statement by Lao Tzu, when he said, "Those who know do not speak, and those who speak do not know." The truth is that fools are common and speak often, while the wise are rare and speak seldom. Those who know, do indeed speak, but are seldom heard, and even less seldom listened to, and even less seldom than that--heeded.

RenegadeMan, your example of number blocks was excellent; few realize that this is not 2. (How is that for a paradox? ) For that matter even fewer ever realize that they have never seen light. Let me explain... consider the light emanating from the screen you are currently reading. That light enters your eyes through the lens and is focused upside down on your retinas. There the photons of light excite certain molecules which then initiate an electrical impulse in your optic nerve. This impulse causes the release of neurotransmitters from the distal end of the nerve, which then float into the synapse. If enough of them land on receptors on the adjoining nerve, another electrical impulse is initiated and the process continues. Eventually the impulse is split and sent to various regions of the brain which are specialized for responding to things like shape, movement, color, texture, faces, and a host of others. Please note this is a very truncated explanation of what goes on.

As you know, if your optic nerve is severed, you will be blind even though your eyes are perfectly functional. Yet, and here is the key point, light does not travel down the optic nerve--chemical and electrical signals do. YOU, whoever and whatever YOU are, does not see light. YOU see the inside of your brain and integrate all of the many visual centers into a single image of the external world around you. Further proof of this can be seen   by considering just what it is that YOU look at when YOU dream. Modern materialistic scientism believes that YOU are simply the product of the activity of your brain. In less than an hour I can show the fallacy of this, but it would take maybe ten pages, and is more effective with personal interaction. As a hint, just consider the color green. What is it? How do you know?

Back to the 8 veils; the issue is not how do we pierce the veils, but of recognizing that we are as incapable of piercing them as we are of seeing light--and that it does not matter. The moderator claims ignorance of the seventh veil, and in truth it is the only thing any of us know--it is SELF. Until that dies, all the other veils remain intact and it does not matter what we think we see. I am inclined to agree with the moderator that the eight veil is fellowship with the creator, but that would require far more than an hour, or 10 pages, to justify. Suffice it to say I stand with the one whose death tore the eighth veil.

In summary I will simply say that world-views/philosophies are much like markets, and the the following words from our wise fellow TokeNormal apply:

We now return you to your regularly scheduled troll fest...

Peace to you all...

Strix

You are gracious my dear. Positive... maybe, but oh so tiny.

A few pages back someone provided a link to a graph posted by majamina on the "troll thread." I went there to see it in context, and ended up making the following post. It occurs to me that some of you might enjoy hearing how I found my way here, so I am cross posting for posterity. In addition, I am posting it as a reminder to not feed the trolls!
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This is a noble sentiment, but not entirely true. There are certainly any number of gradations on the scale running from St. Francis of Assisi, to Bill Gates. Now while I consider BG to be little more than a criminal, on any number of measures he could be considered of more help to humanity than S.t Francis. The fact is that the desire for fiat and to help humanity are not mutually exclusive. More to the point of this discussion is the fact that even a "pure" desire to help humanity will not settle this debate.

I suspect (in a completely unfounded way ) that I have more in common with the first person sited above, than most folks on this forum; my pursuit of fiat has been, for the most part, to be able to help others who are not in a position to do so. 10 months ago, on a mountain in the middle of a jungle, connected by a feeble long-distance wi-fi link, I wasted some time browsing, and found an ongoing debate between advocates of something called Shadow coin, Monero, and Darkcoin. As a technophile, and someone who witnessed first-hand the devestation wrought by banksters, I was intrigued.

The vulgarity, and crudeness were hard to stomach, (not to mention the name "Darkcoin") but for the sake of those I wanted to help, I continued investigating. In the end, having only limited resources of time and even less of money, I had to decide to follow only one. In spite of its name I chose Darkcoin. I chose it not based on superior technology, (which I suspected it had) but on the basis of superior people. They had their share of trolls and FUDers, but they also had a reasoned core of supporters (such as majamina here :-) who reasonably and politely stood up to the FUDers and trolls, or simply ignored them. Even more importantly, Darkcoin's developer, did not live in shadows or participate in the trollfest, but continued, day-in, and day-out, to improve the coin. I saw no ongoing development in the other coins, and their developers did not even deserve the term, from what I could see; they certainly weren't willing to show their faces in the light of day.

I returned to the U.S. to teach last September, and began participating in the DRK community, lobbying along with some others for a name change, and slowly trying to acquire a masternode of my own. I now own 908 DASH and hope to buy another $80.00 worth tomorrow. (That is after sending $280 (which is half my pay) to help those I left.") In retrospect  seems clear I have made the right decision. Shadow coin is no longer worth discussing, and the general tenor of Monero backers supports the market's judgment of them.  In large part it was the incessant screams of "instamine," which I was perfectly capable of investigating on my own, which drove me from them. Maybe they are right, and their tech is better, to me it makes no difference, the caliber of their people out-weights any consideration of the tech.

It grieves me to think that most of you probably have no idea what I am talking about, and will never know the joy of being invited to share a meager meal with those who would not be alive but for your small involvement with them. Should you want to experience this, pm me, and I will be happy for you to accompany me on my next trip. It is my hope that it will not be too long before a masternode will relieve me of the need to return to the States to refill my coffers.

If I am wrong, and DASH becomes worth nothing, and Monero takes over the world, I will sleep easy, knowing that Evil men often rule the day while goodness lurks in the dark; that money is but a means to an end, and that character determines the nature of that end.

I pray that you all end well...

This is a noble sentiment, but not entirely true. There are certainly any number of gradations on the scale running from St. Francis of Assisi, to Bill Gates. Now while I consider BG to be little more than a criminal, on any number of measures he could be considered of more help to humanity than S.t Francis. The fact is that the desire for fiat and to help humanity are not mutually exclusive. More to the point of this discussion is the fact that even a "pure" desire to help humanity will not settle this debate.

I suspect (in a completely unfounded way ) that I have more in common with the first person sited above, than most folks on this forum; my pursuit of fiat has been, for the most part, to be able to help others who are not in a position to do so. 10 months ago, on a mountain in the middle of a jungle, connected by a feeble long-distance wi-fi link, I wasted some time browsing, and found an ongoing debate between advocates of something called Shadow coin, Monero, and Darkcoin. As a technophile, and someone who witnessed first-hand the devestation wrought by banksters, I was intrigued.

The vulgarity, and crudeness were hard to stomach, (not to mention the name "Darkcoin") but for the sake of those I wanted to help, I continued investigating. In the end, having only limited resources of time and even less of money, I had to decide to follow only one. In spite of its name I chose Darkcoin. I chose it not based on superior technology, (which I suspected it had) but on the basis of superior people. They had their share of trolls and FUDers, but they also had a reasoned core of supporters (such as majamina here :-) who reasonably and politely stood up to the FUDers and trolls, or simply ignored them. Even more importantly, Darkcoin's developer, did not live in shadows or participate in the trollfest, but continued, day-in, and day-out, to improve the coin. I saw no ongoing development in the other coins, and their developers did not even deserve the term, from what I could see; they certainly weren't willing to show their faces in the light of day.

I returned to the U.S. to teach last September, and began participating in the DRK community, lobbying along with some others for a name change, and slowly trying to acquire a masternode of my own. I now own 908 DASH and hope to buy another $80.00 worth tomorrow. (That is after sending $280 (which is half my pay) to help those I left.") In retrospect  seems clear I have made the right decision. Shadow coin is no longer worth discussing, and the general tenor of Monero backers supports the market's judgment of them.  In large part it was the incessant screams of "instamine," which I was perfectly capable of investigating on my own, which drove me from them. Maybe they are right, and their tech is better, to me it makes no difference, the caliber of their people out-weights any consideration of the tech.

It grieves me to think that most of you probably have no idea what I am talking about, and will never know the joy of being invited to share a meager meal with those who would not be alive but for your small involvement with them. Should you want to experience this, pm me, and I will be happy for you to accompany me on my next trip. It is my hope that it will not be too long before a masternode will relieve me of the need to return to the States to refill my coffers.

If I am wrong, and DASH becomes worth nothing, and Monero takes over the world, I will sleep easy, knowing that Evil men often rule the day while goodness lurks in the dark; that money is but a means to an end, and that character determines the nature of that end.

I pray that you all end well...

Johny M, I am reading from where majamina's chart was posted, up until I see my post. Having just read your post quoted here, I see that your question was not due to a lack of understanding statistics, but simply their application to masternodes. Please forgive my lack of approbation for you understanding of statistics. (FWIW--nice nym. )

I just popped in because I heard about majamina's chart and wanted to check it out. I must commend him for his patience in dealing with the discussion I see going on here.

Johny, either you have never studied statistics/probability or your Mnemonics aren't working. One coin toss will yield either a head or a tail. This equates to your "Either a transaction is traceable or it isn't." But what about the set of a billion coin tosses? While each is either heads or tails the set in a normal distribution tends towards .5 of each. Majamina's excellent chart shows that for anything less than close to 100% of the masternodes compromised, the chance of tracing any single transaction is vanishingly small.

For the gentleman (whose name I forgot sorry!) The refusal to comment on the implications of the chart, should the data be valid, shows yourself to be disingenuous. As a scientist and educator, I have no problem challenging the data behind a graph while recognizing the implication of that graph as it stands. It saves time, and shows respect for a worthy opponent. (Not to mention, demonstrates you have at least the education necessary to comprehend the math behind it.) There were many (and still a few, though much less) who disputed the validity of the data coming out of the LHC when the discovery of the Higg's Boson was announced. There was no disputing of the fact that the charts seemed to indicate that fact--if--the data was subsequently verified; which it was.

Your unwillingness to commit to the significance of majamina's chart reveals a mindset more concerned with preserving your personal status than one of someone who is truly in pursuit of the truth. That was sadly apparent after my reading the first few posts on this thread, and why I have refused to participate here.  I will watch for a little while to see the response this post gets. And maybe, if, it is received (and even countered) in a respectful manner I continue to check in.

Peace to you all...