Appelbaum is claiming he has knowledge of a specific bug.

He says that we need to direct our questions to Gavin.  Is Gavin aware of this? 

My understanding of Appelbaum is that he would not risk his reputation on spreading lies, but I don't know him personally.

Can anyone confirm that Gavin (or other lead developers) have gotten specifics from Appelbaum?

I got it also (to my other account).

bump for follow up.  OP, did ipad2 luser respond yet?

Also I marked --> http://westky.craigslist.org/sys/2427861692.html <-- for best of craigslist

The liberals all loved Stossel when he produced things that went after big business (he won many awards).  Once he started thinking for himself, and started questioning the corruption and incompetence of big government then the liberals hate him.

You sir are a liberal drone who probably spends the other half of your internet surfing time on reddit.  You are used to being fed what to think (you need to continue to fit in with your hipster crowed).

Please keep your droning to a  minimum here.  Think for yourself.

Does this line of thinking feel familiar to you:

Guantanamo bay open (Bush is Evil, but Obama OK)
Suspension of habeas corpus (Bush is Evil, but Obama OK)
Contracting with Haliburtan (Bush is Evil, but Obama its OK because he made them change their name)
Warretnless wiretaps (Bush is Evil, but Obama OK)
the list is long, but the lack of thinking for oneself is obvious...
 

Over the last few minutes I managed to use xor substation methods to store custom data in the op post. The only required information to retrieve the data is the accompanying xor data set and information about the algorithm that was used to store the data.

This data contains information that is considered illegal in most Western countries. In fact, most countries are likely to send you to jail, if you knowingly spread this data. Which is exactly what you're doing right now - because you read op's message.

Please consider this as a warning. In exactly one week from now I will inform US police departments about the way how the data can be retrieved from the op's message. I can't tell you what to do, but by reading the op's message you're in legal jeopardy.

I was trying to keep the example simple.  You haven't taught me anything new, except to ask me more questions.  Here are methods someone could attain btc with their identity involved:

mtgox account --> personal account --> drug dealer == busted
btc faucet --> personal account --> drug dealer == busted

do the above two examples with cash and you end up == NOT BUSTED (plausible deniability) (there are many more examples and I'm sure you can figure them out)

There are many methods one can use to protect their identity while transacting in btc, but to the average user who just wants to buy some drugs, they are much safer using cash.

OK I'll bite.  What am I missing?  What have I said that is inaccurate?  Instead of taking a pot shot at me, why don't you educate us?

If bob pulls cash from the ATM (let's pretend it's fully tracked and monitored) and then a 20usd bill of his cash is found in the big DEA drug bust, Bob has plausible deniability.  All he has to tell the cops is that he used that 20usd to buy his daughter some ice cream from the ice cream truck earlier in the day.  Case closed.

With btc Bob does not have plausible deniability, because every single BTC transaction is documented.

I find myself spending a lot of time trying to pull people away from a vision of BTC that they want to be true, versus the reality of it.

Sure, but how long will these 50 btc block remain stale.  If the currency takes of some of the initial transactions will be mostly anonymous (I doubt this, because I know of dbs that have been tracking ip address of connections etc.), but as they get used (is that what they're for) slowly we'll be able to track a btc and it's journey through the btc economy.

Put it this way...

When the DEA kicks in the door for a major drug bust, they get a list of btc addresses used for drug transactions.  They can now go into the blockchain and look at every address that sent money to these accounts, and possibly track down the users.

If the DEA found cash.... well.... unless your fingerprints, or the bill was marked, they aren't going to tie the cash back to the users.

Make sense?

One of the biggest misconceptions of bitcoin is the level of anonymity.  Cash is FAR more anonymous than btc.

btc is actually more of a blessing for govt. that want's to control people and understand what they're spending their money on.  In all I believe btc to be a huge win for despot/communist/fascist govt. all over the world.  The only thing they lose, is the ability to artificially inflate the currency, but maybe they'll give that up with the insight they get from every transaction.

I do have 00.02btc (I was a very early miner), but what does that have to do with my argument?

I was asked earlier to provide specif examples of scenarios that could be a problem for the currency, so they could be addressed (supposedly in this forum).  I did as asked.

I don't believe one is, "unhinged," if they point out the substantial risk of having 25% (at this time) of the currency in an anonymous state.  Again I'm not worried about someone using it to buy or sell on the market, I'm more worried about the political power/corruption associated with that much concentration of money (as a share of the btc economy).

Which of my scenarios is the, "craziest," or the one that would best illustrate that this author is, "unhinged?"

Scenarios (assuming btc takes off big time)

1 - btc originators method of staying anonymous wasn't as good as thought.  Secret ops team from a fringe political group acquires 12% of world economy (possibly creating a more terrible master then our current state)
2 - btc originators have their own crazy ideas on how the world should run (use that polX from earlier post), and use 12% of the economy to make it happen (possibly creating a more terrible master then our current state)
3 - I'm a major company considering leveraging btc for a multi-billion dollar insurance binder.... of wait we can't.... some crazy dudes who hang out in teh shadows and possibly have crazy political ideology (or some weird god complex) hold 12% of the currency, therefore too much risk
4 - Give me more time and I'll dream up more of these.


You're right.  It isn't ANY of MY business.  What is my business is possibly using this to generate a ground swell to restart the block.  I know this is a radical departure, but I ultimately want to see btc succeed in a massive way.  I don't see it succeeding with 24% now, 12% in 2045 (or whenever the block stops rewarding coins (non-fee ones)) of the currency being in a state of complete unknown.

my 00.02 btc

This is actually something we need to spend a few cycles thinking about.  I think one of the biggest risks to btc is the fact that founders are playing this bullshit anonymous thing.  These people are not anonymous.  A govt. if they wanted to could uncover them rapidly, and they will once the value of btc becomes high enough.  The problem here is that these people will be gotten to eventually.  They can eather open themselves up to the community and be transparent on their holdings and the intentions of these holdings, or we can wait until a special forces group under the cover of night grabs them and then 20% of the btc economy is now in the hands of that group.  Which option to you prefer?

There is no proof, except I believe Gavin himself in an interview said that btc was running for a year in a private network with just a few people involved, so we are left with conjecture and innuendo.  I believe he said this on that web show he did, or maybe it was that presentation.

the point is that the fed while doing this (I believe it was a mistake) was acting in a way to perpetuate the current financial system (as much as we may not like it).  We all have a certain amount of confidence (predictability) that the US gov, and the fed will server to keep the system working mostly as is (don't read this as me endorsing this).  This allows me to plan financially for the long haul (even if I don't like the way the system is working).

With btc we have no idea how this %20 could come out.  What if the original group has a political ideology that we'll call polX

for people on the right polX == communist, redistribution, maoist philosophy
for people on the left polX == neo con, big business, racist, stomp the little man

If the original group decided to leverage 20% of the economy to server polX agenda we could be setting ourselves up to being slaves to a more terrible master then the current system.

Does that mean if I post a btc address you'll send me 50btc? ;-)

I found it while establishing the block chain in a normalized db.  Where I thought hash values shouldn't (unless collision) be used twice they were given a unique index.

This leads me to my next question.  How strong is the input sanitizing of the block protocol in the bitcoind application? or another way to ask is, more specifically how did this happen?

Thanks for your time.

This may show my ignorance but mrkl hash --> d5d27987d2a3dfc724e359870c6644b40e497bdc0589a033220fe15429d88599

Is found in block 91842 and 91812

I guess it's not clear to me exactly how the mrkl tree works, but I was under the impression that provided there wasn't a collision that these values would not be repeated.

When you look up block 91812 on block explorer you find this:

This transaction is an exact copy of http://blockexplorer.com/tx/d5d27987d2a3dfc724e359870c6644b40e497bdc0589a033220fe15429d88599 This is usually caused by flawed custom miner code that rarely changes the keys used by generations, and is therefore likely to produce a generation transaction with the exact same data as a previous one by the same person. The network sees duplicate transactions as the same: only one can be redeemed.

I run with two accounts.... one for legitimate community orientated and stuff, and the other for... other things

Is there a way to change a config parameter in bitcoind to give it a limited (trusted) set of hosts it should communicate with?  I've looked around and didn't ind anything obvious.

Just caught this in twitter --> http://www.bitcoinplus.com/generate

Basically from what I can tell is that you're using some sort of java process to do the mining.  Java is NOT great at crunching numbers, but it is excellent at being quickly and widely distributed.  Someone should create a miner in flash (which I believe can access some of the graphics libraries, and maybe get into the gpu).

This is the sort of innovation that we've needed.  I actually think the "official" bitcoin client will be dead soon, and in it's place will be many various deployments of it (some closed source, some open) that the only thing they have in common, is adherence to the protocol.


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