It's nice to see that some non anon people are calling the quacks for the ducks that they are.

I warned people before this has HZ pnd written all over it.

Clayton has his fancy talk written all over this thread and how much bitcoin will investors and miners ever get in ROI ? Likely none. If you don't see the writing on the wall then I don't pity your losses.

Take heed to the warnings in this thread and make haste in collecting what you can before the project folds. The devs got paid. They have no need for you to get paid.

And no, this is not Brian. This is a long term crypto lover who has been screwed too many times by Mr Clayton of Wallstreet and his pump and dump scams. I find it funny he thinks he has only one person mad at him when I have talked to dozens who follow this snakes trail and see the carnage.

If you want to keep your bitcoin, avoid this scammer.

I'll comment back after you all loose your shirts just to say...

I told you so.

I see a lot of you fell for another one of James Claytons pump and dump scams. Can't say I didn't warn everyone. Anything Clayton touches is a scam and a rip off. He makes money by scamming people. Preys on newbs and uses crypto as his method of paying his bills. Otherwise he would be selling crap on eBay... But crypto scams be a booming so he won't stop scamming anytime soon.

Hey, I got an idea... Let's sell coins that don't exist... Lmao ahhahaahha

I equate Clayton to that douchebag who is selling life saving pills at 700 bucks a pop.

If you know Clayton is pumping a coin... That's the time to dump. If he's on the team... That's like smoking crack in a pool of gasoline. Run from anything this fool promotes. Expose him for the scammer he is. He knows he scams. Follow his wallets. The blockchain never lies.

It be nice if the team posted as much about real developments as they do to entertain "FUD" from some moron.

Awefuly defensive replies for a group of honest guys.

Blame original dev... Check
Steal project through devious means from original dev and make him look like bad guy... Check
Destroy all momentum on coin and call it "a long term investment" .... Check
Never fix valid issues with code and distribution... Check
Squander development funds and leech community... Check
Destroy active community and beg for new dev funds to squander... Check

Now that we have paid ourselves a bitcoin a month each to produce barely anything that resembles development.... Other than some flashy photoshop and a few lines of Java.... We want the community to do the work.

Sorry, you burned the community and we are done with all of you.

I am going to say the same thing I said in another thread. Clayton is a pumper snake. He uses his non anonymous status as if it makes him an honest person but if you look at his posts in the Facebook groups you can see him telling people to buy and hold while on his blockchain r is moving millions of coins to multiple accounts all siphoning to POLO to dump on newbies and those people who trust him.

As for the team, it is inept. The technology is inherently no different than NXT. It'd just got a shiny new UI which according to this professional team makes this coin appeal to the corporate world. But let's face the facts. NHZ had a much better distribution model than this teams model. It was better off before they got involved. Team members getting paid 1 million HZ a month to do nothing.... Now the team is, and has been the largest holders of the coin.

I suspect I will get called out for being anon when people who are not anon that bring up valid concerns over past year get attacked in the forums and Facebook for just wanting HZ to have better development. The super secret HZ team is NOW opening their slack to the community after months of top secret non development. We can only imagine what was really spoken of in these back rooms...

One can only conclude that the real reason for secrecy involves their distribution model to leech the community so they have some extra trading funds. This is an example when greedy traders take over a coin and it is truly sad. The original selloff the other day came right before their crappy announcement so seems like a little insider trading by the devs... Or maybe they just wanted a better coin like ETH... Especially since they are now venturing into ESP (expanse) their new scheme to leech their cryptocurrency collector club followers. I hope the good people involved in this ETH clone realize how important it is to keep these people far away from their project.

Whole thing makes me sick! I'm sure Clayton will come on here acting like a noble warrior in crypto helping people make good picks.
When he says buy, that's when he sells. I can list dozens of examples where his picks were horrible for those who bought in except for him. 160 satoshis for NHZ is cheap... Buy buy buy!!! What a hack. The original dev was kicked out of NHZ in a hostile takeover and no one questions the true intentions of this group.  I hope the rest of the HZ community realizes the truth about this group of insider snakes and thieves who pose as noble crypto traders while in their secret groups and convos they plan pumps and dumps on community.

HZ needs to be over. Project is a failure and the only way it can be saved is if whole project is given to another team. Otherwise HZ will be traded in sub satoshi. Only the team will trade the coin amongst themselves to give illusion of a demand.

Ethereum having a clone is a great idea.

I have followed both Frank and Clayton on twitter and believe Frank really is a good guy. But this is not good in reputation that he is working with Clayton. Due to the massive failure and obvious Insider selloff of Horizon before the announcement today... I do not trust ANYONE connected to HZ. Clayton buys in cheap... tells people to buy in so he can sell higher... then makes himself look like a Nobel Crypto Leader when in fact he preys on people who cannot track what he does and dumps into their buy orders. How about the VNL scam? I have seen Clayton and CCC really pump that load of trash.

 HZ was a cashcow for them to drag a faithful community along to milk every last satoshi they could for the project. It was a scam from the get go and it has NO NEW INNOVATION so how is Clayton and his "coders" going to out code Ethereum??? 1 million HZ to each dev team member each month to play dump dump dump on the community... and How about the HZ Exchange... massive failure...

So i suppose he will put ESP brand up on his clubs banners... and he will use the gullible good folks within that group to pump his bitcoin wallet nice and fat. Liars, snakes and thieves.

You really think you will perfect code which has millions of dollars behind it by somehow raising a couple bitcoin to pump and dump this coin to death like you did HZ? You cannot handle a little JAVA.... how are you going to handle Ethereum? I call this a joke. I will be looking for a real clone not centered around the CryptoCurrency Pump Club.

Great name and Idea... just shady characters behind it. But i will stay to watch this crash and burn too. Like all of his "good picks"