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The lesson here to set better expectations. Saying 'trading' (which people thought meant polo-sized exchanged because it was never clarified) would start June 14th (quickly after ICO) with buy walls drew in a large crowd, but it set up unrealistic deadlines. It would have been better to say July 14th and launch with polo / bittrex and the good news. The Waves team has been doing solid work, and the fundamentals are as good as they get in crypto. But if you do good work, but overstate expectations people will get rightfully upset.
Yes it is always better to under-promise and over-deliver.
Indeed. Waves team is stepping up their game though. good momentum. Should be a good rest of July / August.
One exchange for this huge ico was so poor planning I'm not happy at all with the direction. Poloniex should have been a must or otherwise delayed the launch. Hate to beat a dead horse but it was a huge let down. The fact they still haven't listed it is jaw dropping and totally fucked up tbh.
Yes with hindsight holding off launch until several exchanges including Poloniex and possibly some popular Chinese exchanges were involved would have been better.
A small exchange like Bittrex is too easily manipulated and just does not get enough traffic to benefit from the ebb and flow of volume that larger exchanges get.
Just witness the long dead altcoins from 2014 that have been pumped recently as investors desperately try to exit from ether/DAO and also due to the pre-halving jitters over BTC. WAVES could have benefitted greatly from that.
I can also sympathise with Sasha and the rest of the team - holding off the launch would have resulted in much anger and flaming from the ICO flipper brigade who just wanted to sell their WAVES ASAP to move on to the next ICO. It was a difficult situation and they gave in to pressure from the flippers.
Unfortunately what's done is done and it seems things are gradually moving in the right direction.
The lesson here to set better expectations. Saying 'trading' (which people thought meant polo-sized exchanged because it was never clarified) would start June 14th (quickly after ICO) with buy walls drew in a large crowd, but it set up unrealistic deadlines. It would have been better to say July 14th and launch with polo / bittrex and the good news. The Waves team has been doing solid work, and the fundamentals are as good as they get in crypto. But if you do good work, but overstate expectations people will get rightfully upset.
Does this really look like buy support?
You must be blind or have no clue about trading if you really think this is weak hands dumping:
https://s31.postimg.org/geatqktdn/Screen_Shot_2016_07_08_at_7_42_40_AM.png
Look at the sizes on the Ask vs the Bid... There is no buy support. Just you guys in this thread. There are no new buyers for Waves. Waves is a scam. Sasha just pumps it through is partner news site, which is run by the Waves team themselves. Total pump and dump. Get out now or cry later.
Oh, and Poloniex will NEVER list Waves. Any time someone as much as mentions Waves on the Trollbox, there's a very condescending attitude from moderators... trust me it's very much like Poloniex is saying "Don't bring that Waves shit in our house"
They don't react like that toward any other coins as far as I've seen.
I do have to say it seems to be a little manipulated. I've seen bids trying to out bid each other raising the price. Just two bids.You must be blind or have no clue about trading if you really think this is weak hands dumping:
https://s31.postimg.org/geatqktdn/Screen_Shot_2016_07_08_at_7_42_40_AM.png
Look at the sizes on the Ask vs the Bid... There is no buy support. Just you guys in this thread. There are no new buyers for Waves. Waves is a scam. Sasha just pumps it through is partner news site, which is run by the Waves team themselves. Total pump and dump. Get out now or cry later.
Oh, and Poloniex will NEVER list Waves. Any time someone as much as mentions Waves on the Trollbox, there's a very condescending attitude from moderators... trust me it's very much like Poloniex is saying "Don't bring that Waves shit in our house"
They don't react like that toward any other coins as far as I've seen.
100% right. This one had it pump and now is going to no mans land down.
Poloniex not going to touch this coin, never
LEAVE and don't come back LOSER!!
Coinbiz - you are a rare breed of supreme confidence and trash advice. The thing is, just like your bogus story about pulled sell walls that Brewins debunked, and your botched 'investigation' into v0.3.0 -> v0.4.0, its possible to fact check what you claim.
For anyone scared by Coinbix chart - just check out the actual source
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-WAVES
Looks pretty even to me.
Why wouldn't Polo touch this coin? I wasn't very interested in Waves during ICO but see it as a good opportunity now - a very well funded project which has been selling below book value. Also, they are smart enough to diversify out of BTC while the price is high. People have complained about Sasha placing a buy wall, but companies buy back their own stock all the time. The only real concerns I have are the ability for Waves and Lisk to hire blockchain experienced developers in what seems to be a tight market with a shortage of such skills. The other concern is that Waves has twice announced partnerships which didn't really exist, but there could be a language barrier with miscommunication as a result.
Polo doesn't have 'morals' around adding coins. These dudes are messing around.
The whole bots / manipulation story is another silly theory that sounds cool. There are pricing bots for BTC, and the price seems to be doing just fine.
Dolores won't be effective this time as the price is the pure evidence that it bounce back.
If you can afford to buy back still with the loss of less than 200 waves, you may still be luck to buy back before the price went further that you will lose more if you do.
If you can afford to buy back still with the loss of less than 200 waves, you may still be luck to buy back before the price went further that you will lose more if you do.
He never should have been effective, that is the point. Its entertainment. If someone calling a coin a scam for not using all of the raised funds for buy walls convinces you to sell then you need a new hobby.
Where is dolores12? He or she should be flipping to cheerleader mode about now. Also I miss the hilariously crazy trolling.
+1. Dolores where are you. The team needs you. We will put up buy walls. Just come back.
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
That's a good sign. He must have bought some Waves.
Also maybe we are setting expectations too high. Too much pressure.
Maybe Dolores has the 100 BTC buy wall on WAVES. I'm waiting for it to get pulled so I can get some low buys in. It normally disappears as soon as evening comes.
no that wall will stay !! they will buy all waves !! dump dump on the wall pls!!
I seriously wonder how many people dolores flushed out of waves. Maybe they could start a support group.
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
That's a good sign. He must have bought some Waves.
Also maybe we are setting expectations too high. Too much pressure.
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
I am still debating whether I supported a scam here? There is hardly any volume and the price keeps crashing. If there were in fact any buy walls how could this be possible?
Have buy walls been used yet? Or is the dev team waiting to use them?
Have buy walls been used yet? Or is the dev team waiting to use them?
I think buy walls is actually part of the reason the price has dumped so much.
It does not inspire confidence to see one of dev's first moves (before waves withdrawals have even finished) was to transfer 6k BTC to exchanges, where it is out of view of public, and 1k BTC gets burnt on buy walls.
There was no communication about what this 5k BTC was getting used for except for a very vague, "we're using it for development"
What does that mean? Are you hiring people with this $3 million which disappeared to exchanges? Who are you hiring? What are these funds getting used for? Where are they going? To a bank account? Held in BTC balances on exchanges? Held as fiat balances on exchanges? Transferred into devs pocket?
No one knows because there was very vague communication about this, and only after the transfers took place. That's the main reason people lost confidence and started dumping below ico.
Trader bill has hit the nail on the head here. All we need is a bit of communicatio. I mean without all the shouting about scams waves could be a perfectly legitimate coin but why not explain where the funding is going? Did you hire new devs? A new pr guy? Or is there a new lambo sitting outside the house now?
Yes exactly. Here is the ICO address:
https://blockexplorer.com/address/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA
Of the 29,634 BTC raised, Waves has withdrawn/spent 18,271 BTC already!
18,271 BTC spent already, read that until it sinks in. That's roughly $11 mil USD, even if you calculate BTC at $600/ea.
It's shocking to see the nodes having issues and any downtime with that spending. Where was this money spent? $11 mil USD?? I mean come on, that's enormous money, more than several alt ICO fundings combined. Entire companies make that much in a year, and it's gone from the Waves ICO account in less than a few weeks... and during that time, almost zero marketing, zero development updates (not considering changing a background image on the wallet or changing some text / version numbers).
I'm in Silicon Valley. You can hire the best developers on earth for less than $11 million USD. The top developers at Google, Facebook, Apple, Tesla, etc. are not making that kind of money, and the Waves team burns through that without finding a lead dev and doing no marketing?
And after all that, the nodes blacklist each other? Again, $11 million USD is not a small number. You should have ZERO downtime and ZERO maintenance with that number. And again where the fuck is the marketing?? A superbowl advertisement broadcast to 50 million viewers cost $2-$3 million USD. Imagine what you could seriously do with $11 million USD. I should be seeing Waves plastered over the Internet. Lisk did 100x more advertising with a fraction of the money.
I call this a scam or complete idiocy.
Coinbiz - you botched your v0.3.0 -> v0.4.0 review (which I mistakenly followed). Might want to give it a few days before you start hurling bombs again.
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
I am still debating whether I supported a scam here? There is hardly any volume and the price keeps crashing. If there were in fact any buy walls how could this be possible?
Have buy walls been used yet? Or is the dev team waiting to use them?
Have buy walls been used yet? Or is the dev team waiting to use them?
The dev team is currently engaged in the development and promotion of the project. Some time ago, the funds were used for this (was spent about 1K BTC and buy-back about 3M Waves). After that waves team stopped using this method. And now I do not think that that is the best solution to use the funds to maintain price. These funds can be used for more important tasks.
Its obvious this is not a scam. An oversubscribed ICO, perhaps.
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
Okay guys. The main cause of the problem was in the fact that the nodes start to blacklisting each other. After that, Waves team solved the problem and started a new blockchain synchronization. Presumably syncing will end in ≈5 hours http://wavesexplorer.com
Please wait, and again I apologize for the inconvenience.
Please wait, and again I apologize for the inconvenience.
hmmm this is what you called "maintenance"
the nodes start to blacklisting each other wtf lol lets see can waves hit rise price in less then 30 days!! dolores is back in good form. I love it.
Re: RISE | ICO CLOSED | RISE WITHDRAWAL ENABLED | MAINNET LIVE | TRADING ON BITTREX
So where is my profit? I bought the ICO and all, I want my money.
Devs spent it on sound machine for better sleep. Will help them write better code. They get tired after big meals.
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
I told you this coin and ICO is a scam and after that they closed the thread. What a pussy team, theyt can't even defend their project because everybody know now they are scammer team. I'm sorry for all people who lost money to this scam but you learned the hard way.
Stfu you idiot you don't know shit faggot the hard way is in your ass idiot This seems to be a dolores12 clone trained by listening to 15 year olds play call of duty online. An interesting mutation.
stop fucking say my name!! i have nothing to do with this big scam !!!! i don't have any waves token now i will never buy i don't need even free waves, i am trading serious projects tokens like factom xem ethereum ..i have made x2 in 24 h keep your waves and leave me alone, this project is so pathetic that you can't even troll dev's etc.....!!!
What if Sasha put up buy walls? Would you be interested? Maybe he will if it could get you back on the team.
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
I told you this coin and ICO is a scam and after that they closed the thread. What a pussy team, theyt can't even defend their project because everybody know now they are scammer team. I'm sorry for all people who lost money to this scam but you learned the hard way.
Stfu you idiot you don't know shit faggot the hard way is in your ass idiot This seems to be a dolores12 clone trained by listening to 15 year olds play call of duty online. An interesting mutation.
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
well,
on the bright side:
Just sold 10K Waves.. I don't care how much I lost. I really need to do so.
I have a sort of relief Feeling now. Like getting rid of a dead tooth.
Now getting my BTCs , buying a new laptop using them, and enjoy it soon
I still have many of Waves, unfortunately... but I will try to forget about them.
on the bright side:
Just sold 10K Waves.. I don't care how much I lost. I really need to do so.
I have a sort of relief Feeling now. Like getting rid of a dead tooth.Now getting my BTCs , buying a new laptop using them, and enjoy it soon
I still have many of Waves, unfortunately... but I will try to forget about them.
What happened with your inital enthusiasm in the other thread
Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: June 20, 2016, 07:56:51 AM
Guys, just give it a few hours just to settle...
Price in just few hours could be a big surprise for you... look at the order book graph.. it won't take too long for it to skyrocket.
I would suggest just BUY BUY BUY now.
Guys, just give it a few hours just to settle...
Price in just few hours could be a big surprise for you... look at the order book graph.. it won't take too long for it to skyrocket.
I would suggest just BUY BUY BUY now.
I guess people lose enthusiasm when the price constantly does down. Those people don't have patience and a lot of people that bought in at ICO have sold, the rest are bagholders from 30k+ sat so of course they won't be as happy.
He probably got flushed out by dolores12 and his many accounts when dolores FUD'd waves for 5 days straight when he forgot that holding waves tokens meant he was long and not short. easy mistake to make.
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
Uncle Tai Zen - they are rebooting him right now.
He drained all his battery shouting over his guests and saying leon fu
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
It will recover in a few months emotional traders usually dump into stronger hands.
Maybe.
Just keep in mind this weak hands argument was said while big projects like BitShares, NXT and other major projects came tumbling down. All you heard was thanks for the cheap coins, weak hands leaving. No, those were people that knew better.
I don't know what the future is for Waves, I would hope with that type of money they are funded enough to make a difference for my remaining small balance.
Weak hands is such a funny argument. Moral shaming of people chasing money by other people chasing money.
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
Coinbiz analysis is spot on. Why would waves team indicate a major (v3 to v4) upgrade on a minor/non-breaking change.
Twiggy - these types of questions are not FUD and it would help if they were addressed.
Twiggy - these types of questions are not FUD and it would help if they were addressed.
So. What do you want to hear about it? Why changed the client version?
Well, that the code changed for a new release does not mean it has to be "lot of code", sometimes there are "small input with big difference". Like the fee, when increasing the fee this is a non-backward compatible change, therefore we increased version from 0.3 to 0.4 (also the optional 1W)
The main changes in the new version of the client had been told repeatedly
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Mainnet v0.3.3
@Tosch110 Tosch110 released this 12 days ago · 38 commits to master since this release
Changelog:
New Backup modal when logged in - use it to Backup your account
Enhancing guidance for users in creation accounts
Advancing process for account registration and import
Adding more words to wordlibrary
@Tosch110 Tosch110 released this 12 days ago · 38 commits to master since this release
Changelog:
New Backup modal when logged in - use it to Backup your account
Enhancing guidance for users in creation accounts
Advancing process for account registration and import
Adding more words to wordlibrary
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Mainnet v0.4.0
@Tosch110 Tosch110 released this 7 days ago · 7 commits to master since this release
Make 1W optional in addresses - 1W will just be an optional prefix.
Unconfirmed transaction flow in the client
Advanced error and warning messages
@Tosch110 Tosch110 released this 7 days ago · 7 commits to master since this release
Make 1W optional in addresses - 1W will just be an optional prefix.
Unconfirmed transaction flow in the client
Advanced error and warning messages
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Mainnet v0.4.1
@beregovoy68 beregovoy68 released this a day ago
Increased transaction fee amount.
@beregovoy68 beregovoy68 released this a day ago
Increased transaction fee amount.
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Please do not forget about that the Waves wallet it is a light client (with basic functions at this time).
More features will surely available in the next releases.
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At the same time, code for full node is still in the development stage (at least about 2 weeks).
Once the source code for a full node will be available to the public, then welcome to do some investigation.
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Thx @prix
Changes from 0.3.3 to 0.4.0:
Commits:
https://github.com/wavesplatform/WavesGUI/compare/v0.3.3.MAIN...v0.4.0.MAIN
Files changed:
https://github.com/wavesplatform/WavesGUI/compare/v0.3.3.MAIN...v0.4.0.MAIN#files_bucket
Commits:
https://github.com/wavesplatform/WavesGUI/compare/v0.3.3.MAIN...v0.4.0.MAIN
Files changed:
https://github.com/wavesplatform/WavesGUI/compare/v0.3.3.MAIN...v0.4.0.MAIN#files_bucket
Spot on. I had read the original analysis as a self contained Pull Request. It was not.
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
...Why would waves team indicate a major (v3 to v4) upgrade on a minor/non-breaking change.
Twiggy - these types of questions are not FUD and it would help if they were addressed.
I agree. If this has been adressed somewhere else, I`d like to see a link please.Twiggy - these types of questions are not FUD and it would help if they were addressed.
This is total FUD or incompetents:
The update for Mainnet v0.4.0 is absolutely laughable. You went from version 3.3 to 4.0 and all that happened was changing text.
And pay attention to the absence of a leading zero in version number. Actual version format is 0.x.x
Changes from 0.3.3 to 0.4.0:
Make 1W optional in addresses - 1W will just be an optional prefix.
Unconfirmed transaction flow in the client
Advanced error and warning messages
Commits:
https://github.com/wavesplatform/WavesGUI/compare/v0.3.3.MAIN...v0.4.0.MAIN
Files changed:
https://github.com/wavesplatform/WavesGUI/compare/v0.3.3.MAIN...v0.4.0.MAIN#files_bucket
Good clarification.
Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform.
New thread, same shitty investment.
I had Seccour rename the Thread for you Coinbiz, hope you like it.
Have you lost your fucking mind- You have patched together a great conspiracy about people making up accounts and hiding the code. The part that I am missing is the part where you tell us:
WHAT IN THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE AND WHAT DOES ANY OF THE SHIT YOU HAVE STATED PROVE
About coinbiz' FUD from yesterday: You know, our developers are scorex devs and are developing it further combined with WAVES itself. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to counter your lame FUD attempt. 
LOL. I'm a seasoned developer. I know a con job when I see one. The amount of 'code' committed by the Waves team on top of Scorex is minimal at best. I could put together the Waves platform in a weekend, heck maybe just a day.
You're trying to take advantage of that the fact that most ICO investors know little or nothing about the tech/code. Most don't know what Github is. Most of your commits are a few lines, many of which are not even code related!
For example...
The update for Mainnet v0.4.0 is absolutely laughable. You went from version 3.3 to 4.0 and all that happened was changing text. You guys announce this as a wallet update!? Wow, so revolutionary. You just edited some text and changed the version number.
https://github.com/wavesplatform/WavesGUI/commit/5975e3433e9f4ae9c0e39a1c77e2293e6f8cf41a
https://s32.postimg.org/561p90yv9/Screen_Shot_2016_06_29_at_4_23_28_AM.png
Please do tell me, what part of the screenshot above warrants announcing a new wallet update on Twitter, Reddit, BitcoinTalk, etc!?
Wow the Waves team knows how to edit text. Congrats on their amazing skills.
Here's another significant wallet update that was broadcast all over social media:
https://github.com/wavesplatform/WavesGUI/commit/a27811c994e9da00e2d8d0a373cf8ca0b66ae637
https://s31.postimg.org/sdtmjrowb/Screen_Shot_2016_06_29_at_4_26_45_AM.png
It's clear as day that Waves "developers" know very little actual development. They're just tweaking someone else's code. All the commits are primarily text/content updates - I've looked carefully. I don't see any actual coding/development. Scorex is a public domain project, so anyone can take it and do what Waves has done. A highschool or middle school kid without any technical background can do this basic stuff.
So you guys on this thread are saying that the Waves developers are also Scorex devs, but Sasha has clearly said they want someone more experienced to be a lead developer. He has no lead:
https://youtu.be/FXo49HfQxu4?t=30m20s (that's what he said himself)
In any solid ICO, I would assume the founder should be the lead. WTF is Sasha doing if he's not a developer himself? I have to give kudos though, he's really pulled off a nice stunt. Always takes pictures behind his stupid laptop and the brick wall with the Waves sign. Very convincing I suppose. I bet Sasha can't write a simple algorithm or explain anything related to in-depth coding principles. He's a con artist, that's his skill.
It's not some conspiracy theory, I don't have an agenda, I just absolutely cannot stand someone lying to my face. I lost money on this ICO, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. And it really bothers me that you and the Waves team continue to deny and lie more, without answering any of the legitimate questions concerned investors have asked. Instead they ban people from slack, delete posts, and lock thread to censor the "FUD" which is really legit concern when the price has dropped over 40% from the ICO. And don't make up stuff about other coins losing that much. They dropped from their hyped price, not below the ICO.
Here's an analogy for those of you who think this is FUD. Imagine if BitcoinTalk decided to update the footer text on their site. Right now it reads:
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Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines
Imagine they simply changed it to:
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Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2016, Simple Machines
Does that mean they can announce to the world that they just released BitcoinTalk version 2? Is that some revolutionary update to be broadcast on Twitter, Reddit, YouTube interviews, etc? Stop the press, tell the world!
You guys cheerleading for Waves are a joke. Seriously. My point is, I can't stand bullshit. I've been lied to, and I will spend every second of my free time revealing this scam for what it is. It makes other alt ICO teams look bad. It makes the community look bad. WTF is this shit. I just want everyone to know how despicable the Waves team is for selling this scam.
Lol....i don't know, but this so called "FUD" by coinbiz is pretty damn convincing and damning (for me).
And KarlKarlsson must have gone to the same "Learn how to be an arrogant prick school" that Sasha went to.
Coinbiz analysis is spot on. Why would waves team indicate a major (v3 to v4) upgrade on a minor/non-breaking change.
Twiggy - these types of questions are not FUD and it would help if they were addressed.