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what will tokencard do with bancor? whats partnership?
Bancor will help bring value and functionality to TKN. I would even say that TKN won't reach its full potential if Bancor is not successful.Pluton will be launching this summer. It will mean that you can pay anywhere with ETH and BTC where you can use NFC bank cards.
https://blog.status.im/ethereum-dapp-creators-10-plutus-2c08689afdcc
TKN is basically the same idea. The difference is that PLU is almost done developing, whereas TKN is still at the beginning.
Read the TKN white paper. It is a very different solution. TKN is itself a constantly growing store of value. Not to discredit Plutus, it very well could be a good solution too.https://blog.status.im/ethereum-dapp-creators-10-plutus-2c08689afdcc
TKN is basically the same idea. The difference is that PLU is almost done developing, whereas TKN is still at the beginning.
This was deceiving to token sale contributors, Visa is well accepted all over the world, one thing is having the Visa logo on the card one thing is not having it (including access to the service).
Simply many merchant will not accept the card unless it has Visa or MasterCard on it.
You should give the option to your contributors to receive a refund if they are not happy with this development.
They do have access to the VISA network. And why would you want a refund when you could sell your TKN above ICO price? This is nonsensical...Simply many merchant will not accept the card unless it has Visa or MasterCard on it.
You should give the option to your contributors to receive a refund if they are not happy with this development.
This VISA business is so funny to watch, people have no idea what they're talking about. I have a partnership with Duke energy as they provide energy to my home. What? Duke Energy won't let me use their logo to advertise myself? My partnership with Duke energy is a complete sham!
I work for for a payment processing business. We utilize the VISA network. We didn't form a "partnership" with them, in fact there are 2-3 degrees of middlemen in-between us and VISA. Its probably misleading to an uninformed community for tokencard to frame it as a "partnership" if we're being pedantic but all of these people claiming that they lied about gaining access to the VISA network are very uninformed or just trying to get cheap TKN...it is an illegitimate concern. Any business can get access to the network. Move on to legitimate concerns.
I work for for a payment processing business. We utilize the VISA network. We didn't form a "partnership" with them, in fact there are 2-3 degrees of middlemen in-between us and VISA. Its probably misleading to an uninformed community for tokencard to frame it as a "partnership" if we're being pedantic but all of these people claiming that they lied about gaining access to the VISA network are very uninformed or just trying to get cheap TKN...it is an illegitimate concern. Any business can get access to the network. Move on to legitimate concerns.
Thoughts on Visa discussing this with their lawyers?
((((Last week, an initial coin offering (ICO) for something* called TokenCard raised** $16.7m in mere minutes, according to the PR spin embedded in the emailed correspondence to this reporter following the event.
It was brought to market by an outfit called Monolith Studio, which until recently had offered sparse information about who was behind it, apart from a loose connection to Peter Vessenes, bitcoin investor and founder of something called New Alchemy (no less).
As is increasingly common in the promotion of these launches, a proposal pitching exclusive details ahead of the offering was made to the press. This, from April 19, being an example from our own inbox (with Monolith calling itself Monolith Ventures):
Details revealed over the next few weeks showed the project was the brainchild Mel Gelderman and another chap called David Hoggard. Their respective Linkedin bios were either exceptionally thin on the ground or non-existent.
The pitch itself was pretty forthright (please note the emphasis):
Tomorrow, Monolith Ventures will open the ICO for TokenCard, the first debit card powered by smart contracts. When the card launches, holders will be able to use it anywhere that accepts VISA.
And the promotional blitz disseminated after the launch on May 4 reiterated the key points:
Monolith Studios TokenCard closed its token launch Tuesday, May 2, 2017, after exceeding its crowdsale goal in mere minutes. TokenCard is the first debit card powered by smart contracts incorporating the VISA payments network with Ethereum. It immediately gained attention in the Ethereum community after its announcement and quickly reached and surpassed contribution goals for this one-of-a-kind project. For the first time, token holders will be able to use Ether as well as other ERC20 tokens to purchase items anywhere that accepts VISA debit cards.
Suffice to say, the above made a lot of TokenCards access to Visas payment networks if not leveraging Visas brand rather explicitly for its own purposes.
Youd think Visa had it truly decided to associate itself with or back a crypto venture this explicitly would have also communicated the unprecedented cooperation. It didnt.
To the contrary, a spokesman from Visa Europe told us on Friday that:
At this point Im unable to establish any business relationship between Visa and this company. Our lawyers are looking into this and I will come back to you if I have any further insight.
The accompanying promotional graphics for TokenCard have since gone from this))))))
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https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/05/08/2188471/introducing-truly-outlandish-ico-claims-tokencard-edition/
Much ado about nothing, or a real concern?
People in the crypto world really have no clue about the word of traditional finance. It's much more convoluted than they could ever imagine, compared to the elegant blockchain we are all so used to. VISA has no clue about everyone that has access to their network. These aren't "partners", anyone can do this after meeting certain criteria. ((((Last week, an initial coin offering (ICO) for something* called TokenCard raised** $16.7m in mere minutes, according to the PR spin embedded in the emailed correspondence to this reporter following the event.
It was brought to market by an outfit called Monolith Studio, which until recently had offered sparse information about who was behind it, apart from a loose connection to Peter Vessenes, bitcoin investor and founder of something called New Alchemy (no less).
As is increasingly common in the promotion of these launches, a proposal pitching exclusive details ahead of the offering was made to the press. This, from April 19, being an example from our own inbox (with Monolith calling itself Monolith Ventures):
Details revealed over the next few weeks showed the project was the brainchild Mel Gelderman and another chap called David Hoggard. Their respective Linkedin bios were either exceptionally thin on the ground or non-existent.
The pitch itself was pretty forthright (please note the emphasis):
Tomorrow, Monolith Ventures will open the ICO for TokenCard, the first debit card powered by smart contracts. When the card launches, holders will be able to use it anywhere that accepts VISA.
And the promotional blitz disseminated after the launch on May 4 reiterated the key points:
Monolith Studios TokenCard closed its token launch Tuesday, May 2, 2017, after exceeding its crowdsale goal in mere minutes. TokenCard is the first debit card powered by smart contracts incorporating the VISA payments network with Ethereum. It immediately gained attention in the Ethereum community after its announcement and quickly reached and surpassed contribution goals for this one-of-a-kind project. For the first time, token holders will be able to use Ether as well as other ERC20 tokens to purchase items anywhere that accepts VISA debit cards.
Suffice to say, the above made a lot of TokenCards access to Visas payment networks if not leveraging Visas brand rather explicitly for its own purposes.
Youd think Visa had it truly decided to associate itself with or back a crypto venture this explicitly would have also communicated the unprecedented cooperation. It didnt.
To the contrary, a spokesman from Visa Europe told us on Friday that:
At this point Im unable to establish any business relationship between Visa and this company. Our lawyers are looking into this and I will come back to you if I have any further insight.
The accompanying promotional graphics for TokenCard have since gone from this))))))
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________
https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/05/08/2188471/introducing-truly-outlandish-ico-claims-tokencard-edition/
Much ado about nothing, or a real concern?
I'd just like to notify people that in the TKN Slack channel they are implementing censorship. I've been banned from the channel for being too pessimistic about the ICO.
This is never a good sign. Proceed with caution.
Funny, people on slack also complained that the mods weren't doing enough to filter out trolls and FUDers. I brought up my legitimate concerns with the project in a reasonable way and got answers from the team, not banned.This is never a good sign. Proceed with caution.
Is 10x straight out of the gate out of the question taking into account the hot market?
Depends on what the current market cap is
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I think the issue with lost seeds needs to be addressed by wings team, I don't by the iddea of the team pre-allocating address to the investors since the private keys is likely to be compromised. I'm so dissapointed in the wings team with the way they treated investors and no real time help on the way to have wings tokens back
I agree..I think the wing team has to do something
The wing team must remember also because its launch into the market is too long
So much lost SEED
Devs had already done issuing an article for recovery . Just backflip a few pages . It's up to the one who lost seed to follow again the instructions carefully. Wings has fast-paced development roadmap ahead and they are working extremely hard to have a great and working platform that will be ready for launch as soon as they have tested all .
the issue about the seed if not acted now will haunt the devs later, 5yrs or more if wings token maybe we can say at 10dollars, the amount of tokens loss at this time due to seed or mismatch seed will give enough motivations to go for litigations, and maybe at that time there will be regulations with regards cryptos. if the devs thinsk they are safe because of the bias disclaimer at ico stage they should think twice.
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Turn the site over to the community. Much better to scam them and at least give them the facade of what you created, than to give them nothing and spend your whole life being hunted down.
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Are you muppets still butthurt - what's it been, 20, 30 pages - about your dev's sham being exposed?
its clear the only butthurt are you and your buttbuddies shouting from the roofs how bad it is and how many of us investors give a rats ass, even with the red trust? come on you fks give me it as well for investing in a project and not crying when you tell me i should. if not carry on showing your true dirty colors. paid in peanuts to hurt investors, hang your head in shame.
Ummmm.... no.
People like cryptodevil are much worse and more dangerous than actual scammers. Whereas an actual scammer will scam you out of a single transaction or even build some bogus ICO, cryptodevil will go around white knighting thinking they're doing God's work and cleaning up crypto, and inadvertently causing people to lose large sums of money on potentially legitimate investments due to baseless allegations. This has the potential to kill legitimate projects. Forget LIR.
Furthermore, cryptodevil is heavily abusing the trust function of bitcointalk and probably should be banned. The trust function is used for exposing people who directly scam you out of btc, not for when you have a stinky feeling about a coin.
The information is out there. The only reason for cryptodevil or other's crying scam to still be name calling and making wild accusations is FUD. There's no other way around it, there is no new information to be gained. If you think devs will deliver, invest. If you don't, don't. It is beautifully simple.
Furthermore, cryptodevil is heavily abusing the trust function of bitcointalk and probably should be banned. The trust function is used for exposing people who directly scam you out of btc, not for when you have a stinky feeling about a coin.
The information is out there. The only reason for cryptodevil or other's crying scam to still be name calling and making wild accusations is FUD. There's no other way around it, there is no new information to be gained. If you think devs will deliver, invest. If you don't, don't. It is beautifully simple.
You lose money when you invest in a scam, not when someone exposes it. You lose your money when you choose to be ignorant instead of informed.
On the other hand, if the LIR dev is an honest person (kinda hard to imagine this plot twist but let's pretend) then he/she doesn't "give a rats ass" as the poster above put it and you'll be rich regardless of what CD says or does.
Having said that, the "trolles and fudsters destroyed a legitimate project" argument cracks me up every time. So at least there is entertainment value in whatever it is you think you're doing here. Keep going.
This is very unhealthy for the crypto ecosystem. If a scam is suspected, then one should try to get to the bottom of it, not make baseless accusations and blatantly spread fud, trying to destroy the scammer at the expense of the investors by destroying their asset.
Hell there are still people trying to say ethereum is a scam.
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People like cryptodevil are much worse and more dangerous than actual scammers. Whereas an actual scammer will scam you out of a single transaction or even build some bogus ICO, cryptodevil will go around white knighting thinking they're doing God's work and cleaning up crypto, and inadvertently causing people to lose large sums of money on potentially legitimate investments due to baseless allegations. This has the potential to kill legitimate projects. Forget LIR.
Furthermore, cryptodevil is heavily abusing the trust function of bitcointalk and probably should be banned. The trust function is used for exposing people who directly scam you out of btc, not for when you have a stinky feeling about a coin.
The information is out there. The only reason for cryptodevil or other's crying scam to still be name calling and making wild accusations is FUD. There's no other way around it, there is no new information to be gained. If you think devs will deliver, invest. If you don't, don't. It is beautifully simple.
Furthermore, cryptodevil is heavily abusing the trust function of bitcointalk and probably should be banned. The trust function is used for exposing people who directly scam you out of btc, not for when you have a stinky feeling about a coin.
The information is out there. The only reason for cryptodevil or other's crying scam to still be name calling and making wild accusations is FUD. There's no other way around it, there is no new information to be gained. If you think devs will deliver, invest. If you don't, don't. It is beautifully simple.
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This is sad.
Só many people losing money in panic sells.
Just hold ur coins
To dump now would be to say the full site will never launch and the coin will never hit a big exchange. It is extremely foolish. Poor bastards.Só many people losing money in panic sells.
Just hold ur coins
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oh STOP QUOTING HIM ffs i have to look at that ugly fuckers face again?
i will be putting your picture in places of the world you really didnt want it at.
also remember you should never fud with your real name because some people have 10's of btcs invested in this and if that person was to lose the btc.
well you can imagine who would be to blamed, and with your ugly mug everywhere it could cause you problems at home.
crypto is not for real identity especially when you are as weak as you look
i will be putting your picture in places of the world you really didnt want it at.
also remember you should never fud with your real name because some people have 10's of btcs invested in this and if that person was to lose the btc.
well you can imagine who would be to blamed, and with your ugly mug everywhere it could cause you problems at home.
crypto is not for real identity especially when you are as weak as you look
I already have his address if anyone wants it. PM me and I will send it via email, you're right he really should not be playing games with cryptobrothers. Not all are as stupid as you and never mess with peoples lively hoods. Damn you are daft.
You are evil.
Or would you rather not know when you're being scammed by scum? the proof is all right here.
go ahead and keep defending them... it only makes you look stupid.
I'm not saying you shouldn't blow whistles. But you just can't claim a moral high ground and white knight this.
On a sidenote, I just can't seem to win: couldn't get btc into yobit fast enough to eat into the low sells. There are obviously some very "lucky" people out there with btc just ready to go to eat those low sells.
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oh STOP QUOTING HIM ffs i have to look at that ugly fuckers face again?
i will be putting your picture in places of the world you really didnt want it at.
also remember you should never fud with your real name because some people have 10's of btcs invested in this and if that person was to lose the btc.
well you can imagine who would be to blamed, and with your ugly mug everywhere it could cause you problems at home.
crypto is not for real identity especially when you are as weak as you look
i will be putting your picture in places of the world you really didnt want it at.
also remember you should never fud with your real name because some people have 10's of btcs invested in this and if that person was to lose the btc.
well you can imagine who would be to blamed, and with your ugly mug everywhere it could cause you problems at home.
crypto is not for real identity especially when you are as weak as you look
I already have his address if anyone wants it. PM me and I will send it via email, you're right he really should not be playing games with cryptobrothers. Not all are as stupid as you and never mess with peoples lively hoods. Damn you are daft.
You are evil.
Or would you rather not know when you're being scammed by scum? the proof is all right here.
go ahead and keep defending them... it only makes you look stupid.
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oh STOP QUOTING HIM ffs i have to look at that ugly fuckers face again?
i will be putting your picture in places of the world you really didnt want it at.
also remember you should never fud with your real name because some people have 10's of btcs invested in this and if that person was to lose the btc.
well you can imagine who would be to blamed, and with your ugly mug everywhere it could cause you problems at home.
crypto is not for real identity especially when you are as weak as you look
i will be putting your picture in places of the world you really didnt want it at.
also remember you should never fud with your real name because some people have 10's of btcs invested in this and if that person was to lose the btc.
well you can imagine who would be to blamed, and with your ugly mug everywhere it could cause you problems at home.
crypto is not for real identity especially when you are as weak as you look
I already have his address if anyone wants it. PM me and I will send it via email, you're right he really should not be playing games with cryptobrothers. Not all are as stupid as you and never mess with peoples lively hoods. Damn you are daft.
You are evil.
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Alright LIR community, its time to take a step back from all this mania and analyze whats going on objectively.
1. The value of LIR has been cut by 50% in 24 hours. This is directly due to the comments made by Mr. President, Cryptodevil, and the others spreading FUD.
2. Every bag holder of LIR has seen their investment cut by 50% in 24 hours as well. This again is directly due to the actions of Mr. President, Cryptodevil, and others spreading FUD. Despite their intentions, which are very debatable, the only group of persons responsible or LIR holders to lose money is Mr. President, Cryptodevil, and other fudsters. NOT because Mr. Phoenix bought an account. It is not the LIR team that is causing the weak hands to lose on their investment, it is Mr. President, Cryptodevil, and the other fudsters that are possibly taking advantage of them.
3. There is a dev team who have produced 2 functioning beta sites. Based on this invested time and effort, it is illogical to think that a fully functioning dice site running on LIR would not be launched, and the currency would subsequently be traded at high volume on a large exchange.
4. The question every person, including Mr. President and Cryptodevil, has to ask themselves is if they want to be holding LIR a) when the dice site launches, and b) when LIR hits Bittrex and Poloniex. I personally see this as the easiest 10x since ethereum 1 year ago and Lisk a few months ago.
5. There is no hard evidence that this fud is orchestrated. However, with signatures like "sell, sell, sell LIR!" it is very hard to shed yourself from any credibility of innocent intentions.
6. I personally believe this to be the first stage of a very well executed dump and pump strategy. It is very profitable to take a seemingly damning fact, that one of the devs has a bought account, and leverage this to take advantage of weak hands for an easy 50% discount on a coin with such little volume. At the point of revelation, opportunists who aren't involved with the FUD take advantage and dump to buy later. This fud only had to clear a few btc worth of buy orders and then it was off to the races. Unfortunately for the weak hands, they are forgetting that this "damning" revelation has 0 to do with the fundamentals of this asset, and are the real losers in this scenario.
Hopefully we can allow sanity to be restored and the price will stabilize wherever it will until the site launches.
FUD doesnt mean un-true. Sorry if the truth hurts... and you insist on defending fraudsters then you deserve whatever losses you incur because you were warned.1. The value of LIR has been cut by 50% in 24 hours. This is directly due to the comments made by Mr. President, Cryptodevil, and the others spreading FUD.
2. Every bag holder of LIR has seen their investment cut by 50% in 24 hours as well. This again is directly due to the actions of Mr. President, Cryptodevil, and others spreading FUD. Despite their intentions, which are very debatable, the only group of persons responsible or LIR holders to lose money is Mr. President, Cryptodevil, and other fudsters. NOT because Mr. Phoenix bought an account. It is not the LIR team that is causing the weak hands to lose on their investment, it is Mr. President, Cryptodevil, and the other fudsters that are possibly taking advantage of them.
3. There is a dev team who have produced 2 functioning beta sites. Based on this invested time and effort, it is illogical to think that a fully functioning dice site running on LIR would not be launched, and the currency would subsequently be traded at high volume on a large exchange.
4. The question every person, including Mr. President and Cryptodevil, has to ask themselves is if they want to be holding LIR a) when the dice site launches, and b) when LIR hits Bittrex and Poloniex. I personally see this as the easiest 10x since ethereum 1 year ago and Lisk a few months ago.
5. There is no hard evidence that this fud is orchestrated. However, with signatures like "sell, sell, sell LIR!" it is very hard to shed yourself from any credibility of innocent intentions.
6. I personally believe this to be the first stage of a very well executed dump and pump strategy. It is very profitable to take a seemingly damning fact, that one of the devs has a bought account, and leverage this to take advantage of weak hands for an easy 50% discount on a coin with such little volume. At the point of revelation, opportunists who aren't involved with the FUD take advantage and dump to buy later. This fud only had to clear a few btc worth of buy orders and then it was off to the races. Unfortunately for the weak hands, they are forgetting that this "damning" revelation has 0 to do with the fundamentals of this asset, and are the real losers in this scenario.
Hopefully we can allow sanity to be restored and the price will stabilize wherever it will until the site launches.
I mean its great, consider your whistle blown. Everyone knows and can make their own decision now.
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here is more proof phoenix1969 is eric hansen(me) and the account is stolen by these folks.
In this post, I have the neptunes running in Maui at my bro's house giving a demo.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg8071091#msg8071091
... and click on the youtube video link in that post ofc...
as you see I have posted a message for you so you know the account is mine and full control.
now you can see phoenix1969 was indeed my account, and they at LIR are totally using it fraudulently.
aloha and mahalo
He already admitted that he isn't the original account holder, Eric. What were you expecting, to shut down the site?In this post, I have the neptunes running in Maui at my bro's house giving a demo.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg8071091#msg8071091
... and click on the youtube video link in that post ofc...
as you see I have posted a message for you so you know the account is mine and full control.
now you can see phoenix1969 was indeed my account, and they at LIR are totally using it fraudulently.
aloha and mahalo
...and the account should be returned, knowing it's stolen. Fraud is fraud.
Peeps defending fraudsters.... what a wolfpack!!!