Eu sei mas nem todas as coisas que passam na alfandega eles veem... neste caso seria 200€.

Estamos tb a considerar as pcbs do Project: Klondike 16 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=190731.0

So hj é que reparei que ele ja disponiblizou os esquematicos ... se realmente funcionarem como ele afirma ficaria mais barato dado que as pcbs estao optimizadas (sao quadrados).

Pelo que vi o preço dos materias ficaria entre 30-50€ por placa +/- preço final.

Que acham do Klondike 16? estariam interessados ?

Estas enganado...

Cada chip da Avalon sao 0.1-0.2 BTC = 7-14€

Os 40€ que referi é não é só preço de cada placa, inclui também os preço dos outros compenentes (resistencias condensadores e outros chips usados) + o trabalho de os soldar. O preço das pcbs varia entre os 16€ (se forem 10 minimo que podes encomendar) e os 6€ se encomendares 40 e caso tenhas a sorte de nao pagar taxas de alfandega (aquilo vem da China)...

As outras pcbs nao tenho a certeza mas 2 delas sao baratas entre 10 a 20€ (valores finais) e a minha duvida é a do controlador nomeadamente qual o preço da FPGA mas penso que valores finais devem ser tb nos 40€-50€.

Os seja valor finais devem andar a volta de:
(10 chips avalon) 2000-3000Mghs entre 180-260€
(20 chips avalon) 4000-5000Mghs entre 280-400€
....
(por cada 10chips) que acrecentes nas tuas contas sao 30-40€ + o valor de cada chip

Ainda nao tenho a estimativa correcta como te disse depende de mtos factores, podes perguntar a um gajo aqui no forum que esta a vender os clones a ver o que ele diz...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=210186.0

Em mandeilhe uma msg a ver se ele me vendia 1 ou 2 pcbs mas o gajo ainda nao me respondeu... para testar ja desenrascava.

Tudo menos os avalons chips... ja agr cada placa/pcb leva 10.

De relembrar que existem 3 outras placas alimentaçao, ligaçoes e a do controlador (que era a que estamos a pensar mudar), mas essas ainda nao tenho a menor ideia do preço (a das alimentaçoes e ligaçoes devem ser baratas o problema esta no controlador).

Hi All, since Avalon chips are arriving i presume we all want to have our hardware ready for them.

Using the reference pcbs provided in avalon-ref Im thinking in order some pcbs for start assembly the components.

One of the pcbs that will be more used its this ...

https://en.bitcoin.it/w/images/en/4/41/Avalon-modular-4.jpg

The clean pcb will be similar to this (color can be blue as it's a customer option)
http://i.imgur.com/ALOZYMr.jpg?1

As it got 4 layers and 15cm the prices are much more high if you buy a few and since they are made in China prices of transportation will be a important cost, if you buy many the transportation cost is more or less the same and prices for making are much lower, all together can lower price per pcb to less than half compared to if you buy alone only a few. The minimal "ok price" starts from 20pcbs ordered.

The other pcbs can be also ordered but they most likely you will only need 1.

Are you interested in buy this pcbs?

Advantages of buy more / group buy:
More pcbs = less money payed for each;
More pcbs = allow express sending ordering them to be deliver in 1/2week (+/-) (fast deliver);
More pcbs = allow pay for test / check the pcbs, increasing quality verify;
The pcbs will be shipped to you with no preoccupations.

Disadvantages
Since its more pcbs there is a litle more probability that Customs may check it and required me to pay some taxes.


As you may understand the final price will vary... as reference it should be under 10€ per pcb + transportation costs to ship them to you... how much less i dont know deppends on you. If its more than 30pcbs ordered and all goes well in customs we are probably talking about under than 7€ per pcb to everyone that do the pre-order... I will order as soon as i got 20 requests and i will post the final price when i recive them, as it will depend on Customs the small variations can be adjusted when you pay the shipping costs.


Shipment

Here it's the prices of registered shipments costs in my country

International shipments costs

The pcbs will be forwarded to your desired address as soon as I receive them and you paid the fiat component mentioned above. I will collect the target adresses after you've made the order for the pcbs. Delivery within Europe will usually take less than a week (typical 3 day for the registed option); overseas will take what it takes they say typical 5days. You will be given the option to select shipment method on time and resolve custom specific issues. Because the shipment price has to be paid you can chose the kind of shipment. If you dont want registed, price will be less... I refered registed prices as I guess registed shipment would be the best choice for your investment.


Services
In addicional of sending the pcbs, If you need I can also ship on request the others components for you to fill the pcbs.

I also provide assembly services for Europe, for that you need to send me the chips and prices will be arround 45€ per pcb plus shippment costs.


Payments
Payments can be made in BTC (prefered) and paypal.

I accept Escrow services from hero trusted members, with preference of John K. Cost and contacts should be made and supported by you.


Please PM me if you need more information.

Cheers!! And happy mining!!

Sim estamos a pensar fazer isso. Para ja estamos a ver qtos estao interessados nas pcbs para ficar mais barato para todos e a tentar baixar os custos para testarmos. Mas a ideia é quem nos ajudar, soldarmos e ajudarmos a por os chips a dar.

Nos não nos responsabilizamos é pela duração das placas e se alguma coisa falhar no envio (isto é maus tratos no envio) mas possivelmente até se pode entregar as placas em mão e assim ja se prova tb que estao a funcionar correctamente.

Como eu ainda nao sei qual é o preço de tudo estamos a pensar à volta de 40€ (max) (por cada placa pcb) para quem nos ajudar inicialmente, os chips sao fornecidos por voces o resto fica ao nosso encargo. O preço pode variar, um dos factores é as tais pcbs dado que com mais gente elas ficam mais baratas... logo a variar é para baixo.

Criei este topico por agora para ajudar a deluir o custo das pcbs

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=254958.0

Vamos la ver como corre.


Nós estamos só a tentar por os avalon's a funcionar, para ja iremos seguir os esquemas de referência num futuro gostariamos de alterar o controlador mas so dps de por uns chips a fazer qualquer coisa lol.

O controlador foi desenhado para ter 150 ou 200 chips a funcionar logo não sei se seria (para nos) necessario ter um controlador bom como eles usam... pelo menos para a maioria de nós, tanto o bkkcoins como o burning ainda nao colocaram os esquemas dos projectos deles, eles também andavam a optimizar o controlador, dado que até ainda não ha nada teremos que seguir os esquemas originais.

Soldar não é problema aqui dado que temos os materiais adequados, a preocupaçao é saber se os esquemas funcionam e se o firmware tb.

Hi All, since Avalon chips are arriving i presume we all want to have our hardware ready for them.

Using the reference pcbs provided in avalon-ref Im thinking in order some pcbs for start assembly the components.

One of the pcbs that will be more used its this ...

https://en.bitcoin.it/w/images/en/4/41/Avalon-modular-4.jpg

The clean pcb will be similar to this (color can be blue as it's a customer option)
http://i.imgur.com/ALOZYMr.jpg?1

As it got 4 layers and 15cm the prices are much more high if you buy a few and since they are made in China prices of transportation will be a important cost, if you buy many the transportation cost is more or less the same and prices for making are much lower, all together can lower price per pcb to less than half compared to if you buy alone only a few. The minimal "ok price" starts from 20pcbs ordered.

The other pcbs can be also ordered but they most likely you will only need 1.

Are you interested in buy this pcbs?

Advantages of buy more / group buy:
More pcbs = less money payed for each;
More pcbs = allow express sending ordering them to be deliver in 1/2week (+/-) (fast deliver);
More pcbs = allow pay for test / check the pcbs, increasing quality verify;
The pcbs will be shipped to you with no preoccupations.

Disadvantages
Since its more pcbs there is a litle more probability that Customs may check it and required me to pay some taxes.


As you may understand the final price will vary... as reference it should be under 10€ per pcb + transportation costs to ship them to you... how much less i dont know deppends on you. If its more than 30pcbs ordered and all goes well in customs we are probably talking about under than 7€ per pcb to everyone that do the pre-order... I will order as soon as i got 20 requests and i will post the final price when i recive them, as it will depend on Customs the small variations can be adjusted when you pay the shipping costs.


Shipment

Here it's the prices of registered shipments costs in my country

International shipments costs

The pcbs will be forwarded to your desired address as soon as I receive them and you paid the fiat component mentioned above. I will collect the target adresses after you've made the order for the pcbs. Delivery within Europe will usually take less than a week (typical 3 day for the registed option); overseas will take what it takes they say typical 5days. You will be given the option to select shipment method on time and resolve custom specific issues. Because the shipment price has to be paid you can chose the kind of shipment. If you dont want registed, price will be less... I refered registed prices as I guess registed shipment would be the best choice for your investment.


If you need I can also ship on request the others components you to fill the pcbs.

Payments
Payments can be made in BTC and paypal.

I accept Escrow services from hero trusted members, with preference of John K. Cost and contacts should be made and supported by you.

Note: As there's is much scams going on i understand you may not trust me and have doubts... well if that gives you comfort i have much more to lose than you, as if lose my reputation Zefir will not sell/send the Avalon chips...


Please PM me if you need more information.

Thank you!
Cheers!! And happy mining!!

O problema não esta a soldar esta mais relacionado com o investimento inicial, as pens apenas usam 1 chip e um controlador diferente, para nós não nos interessa tanto porque estamos a pensar colocar mais do que um para compensar. Dps de testado o circuito com os varios chips a pen pode ser uma opção para hobby.

Entretanto chegamos a uma conclusao sobre o investimento inicial e sera maior do que o que pretendiamos. Os chips consegui arranjar aqui no forum (para testar mais cedo) quem os venda das 1ªs batchs mas o custo seria de 0.2 BTC por chip + 0.4 BTC para o transporte e as pcbs o minimo que da para mandar vir sao 10 e custam a avolta de 12€ cada uma (150$ total), isto se nao parar na alfandega e tivermos que pagar taxas. Tudo somado estimamos a volta de 300€ para testar isto o que para nós sozinhos é complicado.

As pcbs que me refiro sao estas, que sao colones das originais:
http://i.imgur.com/ZnlwBVW.jpg


O que decidimos fazer é tentar arranjar alguem que esteja interessado em ajudar o financiamento em troca de alguma coisa, pcbs/soldar/chips, de modo a baixar o investimento inicial, se algum de voces estiver interessado pode mandarme pm.


Embreve irei criar um topico com mais informações.

The transportation cost i think will not make this business viable if its only wine.

What maybe i can do its add another products that you may have expensive in your country and maybe its much less expensive here and with great quality... so the cost of shippment its splited among wine and the other products.

As exemple of products Portugal also have with great quality and maybe not common its Olive Oil, our great quality olive oil start rounds 4€/L and top quality (extracted at less temperature) goes 5€/L, also the olives are good and can survive the shippment.

We also have good traduction in coffee but that i think price should be more or less equal arround europe/world.

If you can think in products that are expensive in your contrys and you would like to buy aswell, share, that probably can lower the cost transportating and end with prices/quality ration lowers than in your contry, making this idea a nice and profitable one. 

Cheers

I'm just making a market survey i could ship worldwide its same work and litle more expensive, the problem it's your country customs. I can't responsibilise if you got any customs problems. I just refered EU because if you are inside European Union that problem usually don't appear.



Well wine in Portugal its cheap as we produce a lot. Living here i can get a big with range of different wines (the prices its smillar +/- 1€), as i just want to get some bitcoins i can buy any brand / type you wish. From 3€ to 5€ you can get "good" wine table, and from 5€-6€ "good" (i place " " because it depends on tastes) after meal such as any type/brand of Port wine (Tawny/Ruby/White) or Moscatel. Of course if what you seek its 10/20/30 years wines or special year collects LBV, Late Bottled Vintage, that would go to expensive prices starting at 10€. Anyway what will cost more as i referer its shippment.

As exemple your limite its 5L is equal to 6 bottles that should be between 7-8 kgs so rounded to 8,5 to 9€ per bottle final shipment price. Height of bottles vary due to type of glass maybe from 1 kg and 1,2 kg.

If what you seek its discounts, although i wouldn't recommend (at least for the first times), theres another option when you drink wine everyday, we have 5L package. Advantage price and height (its not glass so its less heavy), so final price arround 55€. Disadvantage its only used when we know that we like that wine, also as you understand quality of wine may not be same and im not sure if costums will like it.

Cheers

reserved

Hi all, im from Portugal and i would like to trade some euros to BTC and help the community.

Portugal got an excelent quality and variety of wines, and a huge history of wine production. I can ship wine from here and I've noticed that noone got here the service so i decided to give a check to see if there is potencial costumers and if it would be a possible way for me to get some BTC.

I need some information to go throw without problems so if you are interested and don't mind to give some feedback in any of this 3 questions i appreciate it:

Whats customs regulations in your contry (i.e its is possible to import alcohol drinks and how many liters of alcohol can the pack have)?

How much cost one bottle of average/good table wine in your contry?

How much cost one bottle of good "dessert"/after meal fortified wine and (if you have it) the price of Porto Wine?


If you are interested and want more information about portuguese wine wikipedia and wines of portugal pag or for Port Wine


I'm aiming for final prices arround 0.25 BTC for 1 bottle and 0.48 BTC for 2 bottles and what really cost its registered shipping, the prices [1 kg - 2 kg] 14,00 € and [2 kg - 3 kg] 28,00 €. With more quantaty it's possible to lower that shipping cost, like price per bottle, 5 near 8€, 10 bottles near 5€, but for more than 2, I need the information about the limit of your country.

In this link if you want you can consult the price paid for registered package International prices


Thanks in advance for the feedback.

Cheers

Tudo o que é da BTF é de desconfiar isso sao pre-ordens para possiveis chips que eles decidam a fazer mas parece ser outro meio esquema ...


Obrigada pela informação mas nao é o que procuro, para começar nao sei até que ponto é de confiança, dps esta a pedir 30$ (eles custam menos de 10$) e mínimo Order Quantity: 80 Piece/Pieces, ou seja, 2400$ minimo....

Eu nao me importo de pagar a 20 ou 30$ para te-los mais cedo mas só queria mesmo 2 ou 3 para experimentar... nao queria gastar mais de 50€/100€ a experimentar um circuito que nao sei se funcionara bem.

Can only or can not be shipped to Russia?



Chips will be sent from Taiwan it would be a brilliant idea to only send them to Russia. It would indeed be a awesome marketing campain, as everyone in the world (i think) know the reputation of their post offices and how well they work... i dont know why BFL haven't tought yet on that, as it would solv all their problems...
Ship smth to Russia work so well and fast that some airports dennied a few months ago to work with Russian Post Office and stop reciving shipments while they didnt solv the problem, duo to have all warehouses full...

Well its true that they fired the bosses and got a new administration but as they say it will take months to recover that backlog and yet i got my doubts that would solv the huge problem that is ship smth to Russia...

Yap era uma grande oportunidade, eu escrevi a msg mas duvido que consiga dado que estao muitos à minha frente que também querem... e penso que devem ter preferência no pais para enviarem.

O chip que eles falam pareceu-me melhor que o da avalon mas nao sei, eles parece-me que ainda estão verdinhos no ramo.

Nem me importava de pagar os portes de envio para eles nao terem essas despezas mas nao sei se eles alinham. De qualquer maneira já ha noticias que os 1ºs avalons estao a ser enviados (as samples) pode ser que daqui a um mes se possa testar alguma coisa.

First i would like to congrat you for this nice initiative.

I dont know if you still have place for tester as i've seen so many replys but i would be happy to help.

I got experience with Pcb's , electronics circuits and ships programming and i have all the required things in topic as i work in this field and got acess to electronics labs.

BTW, i live in Europe.

Obrigada ainda nao tinha visto pareceme muito bem

Most likely yes, is there a way to avoid it? Any register that its possible to change to avoid that or its more bios/hardware config. ?

I did smth similar but this way you keep expending a bit of energy by keeping monitor on

But that isn't the main problem, i'm more concerned about the LCD health with this approach...