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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on 14/11/2017, 13:09:26 UTC
FUD?  Who knows.
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I gave that image to Google translate and this is what I got back in English:

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Each grid of small hydropower: Bitcoin production is illegal business, all grid-connected power station also belong to the illegal transfer of power operations, since the date of receipt of notification, all grid-connected power stations stop production of bitcoin, power generation by Zhang Valley Substation unified scheduling arrangements, continue to illegally transfer power grid-connected power station, our company will be relieved net punishment. State Grid Sichuan Ganzi Prefecture Power Co., Ltd.

stop doing it yourself, read my post.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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tscen
on 14/11/2017, 13:07:37 UTC

...snip image ...

copy-paste image to google translate ... grmblblbl doesn't work dammit

The title: emergency announcement to ban bitcoin mining
Details are basically to notice any sub power stations to stop providing electricity to bitcoin minging business. any violators will be punished (get their power generation license revoked aka kicked out of business).

Soon we'll find some cheap asic miners on ebay ... Cheesy

It's just from one electricity company in one of 33 provinces in China.
Unless the ban expends to other provinces, you won't find any cheap miners on sale.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/China_provinces.png/450px-China_provinces.png
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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tscen
on 14/11/2017, 12:57:36 UTC

copy-paste image to google translate ... grmblblbl doesn't work dammit

The title: emergency announcement to ban bitcoin mining
Details are basically to notice any sub power stations to stop providing electricity to bitcoin minging business. any violators will be punished (get their power generation license revoked aka kicked out of business).
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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tscen
on 05/11/2017, 16:21:41 UTC
I don't buy a lot of things on Amazon but whenever I go to my purse.io to buy something I have just about the same dollar balance that I had the last time I bought something.

I like this magic Internet money.

There is no such thing as magic internet money. Amazon received the fiat from stolen credit cards and shipped you the products. simple as that.
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Tomorrow, All Chinese Exchangers are going to shutdown
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tscen
on 30/10/2017, 11:09:48 UTC
1/11/2017 is the dead line given by China authority, major Chinese Exchangers are going to shutdown tomorrow.
Any one telling you something is re-opening in China or China gov is secretly allowing crytos trading or Chinese unicorn is farting out new exchangers, are fudders.

okcoin.cn:
"从10月31日24时起,OKCoin币行(www.okcoin.cn)将停止人民币和比特币交易,大家可以随时提现人民币至自己的银行卡;对于数字资产,大家也可以提现至其他平台或钱包。"
"from 31/10 24:00 okcoin.cn stops CNY/BTC trading, go withdraw now!"

huobi.com:
"公告:关于火币网(www.huobi.com)10月31日停止交易的公告"
"huobi.com stop trading after 31/10"

btcchina.com:
"2. 比特币中国将按照9月14日公告所示,准时在9月30日中午12:00关停一切交易,包括人民币和数字资产的交易,以及币币交易;
3. 平台数字资产及人民帀的最终提现截止时间为10月30日中午12:00;用户如不想保留数字资产,请尽快兑换成人民币再进行提现;"
"Last warning, deadline for you to withdraw is 30/10 mid 12:00"

Some of these exchangers recently registered aboard with new domains trading USD Tether/BTC pairs, they don't accept CNY deposit nor Withdrawal, they might not even accept clients from China and US. in fact, they can't even accept USD deposit directly, that's why they go for Tether. such as:
huobi.pro by huobi.com
okex.com and okcoin.com by okcoin.cn
etc..

Remind everyone here, these fake foreign exchangers are operating under the same people in China, China gov can raid them over night. be caution trading on any of them. tether.to is also risky to be cracked down by the US authority just like btc-e code, using ".to" domain to get away from domain seizing by FBI & VeriSign is good but that's not enough, use it at your own risk.

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Re: "Big News From China" is spreading false information, Exchangers are banned !
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tscen
on 28/10/2017, 12:50:43 UTC
I can't understand what's the problem? Even if China banned the exchange of bitcoin into yuan it will not change anything. Exchanges outside of China will exchange crypto currencies for the dollar and the Chinese will get on their Bank account transfers in dollars. It seems to me that such news will not affect the attitude of Chinese people to cryptocurrency. There are issues much more important.

China is a capital control country you know? if you can't trade for CNY, then it has nothing to do with China anymore.
NO USD/EUR/CAD/GBP/JPY/etc goes in nor comes out from China. Chinese used to buy Bitcoin in China and dump aboard to bypass the control, this is one of the many reasons of the ban.

So the interesting question is : how do the Chinese evade the ban? By smugling gold to Japan and Korea ? And convert it there into USD and BTC ?

For now, most Chinese is simply out. the rest is using localbitcoin like websites to do p2p trading.

And that brings the next question : some of the biggest miners are Chinese, so what happens with their proceeds? It is not possible that it stays intra China, so are they "Exporting" their coins in exchange for Euro, USD currencies ?

They can sell through p2p trading in China or sell to foreign buyer / exchanger and receive the payment in their offshore bank account.
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Re: "Big News From China" is spreading false information, Exchangers are banned !
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on 28/10/2017, 12:27:29 UTC
I can't understand what's the problem? Even if China banned the exchange of bitcoin into yuan it will not change anything. Exchanges outside of China will exchange crypto currencies for the dollar and the Chinese will get on their Bank account transfers in dollars. It seems to me that such news will not affect the attitude of Chinese people to cryptocurrency. There are issues much more important.

China is a capital control country you know? if you can't trade for CNY, then it has nothing to do with China anymore.
NO USD/EUR/CAD/GBP/JPY/etc goes in nor comes out from China. Chinese used to buy Bitcoin in China and dump aboard to bypass the control, this is one of the many reasons of the ban.

So the interesting question is : how do the Chinese evade the ban? By smugling gold to Japan and Korea ? And convert it there into USD and BTC ?

For now, most Chinese is simply out. the rest is using localbitcoin like websites to do p2p trading.
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Re: "Big News From China" is spreading false information, Exchangers are banned !
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tscen
on 28/10/2017, 12:14:21 UTC
I can't understand what's the problem? Even if China banned the exchange of bitcoin into yuan it will not change anything. Exchanges outside of China will exchange crypto currencies for the dollar and the Chinese will get on their Bank account transfers in dollars. It seems to me that such news will not affect the attitude of Chinese people to cryptocurrency. There are issues much more important.

China is a capital control country you know? if you can't trade for CNY, then it has nothing to do with China anymore.
NO USD/EUR/CAD/GBP/JPY/etc goes in nor comes out from China. Chinese used to buy Bitcoin in China and dump aboard to bypass the control, this is one of the many reasons of the ban.
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Re: "Big News From China" is spreading false information, Exchangers are banned !
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tscen
on 28/10/2017, 12:01:26 UTC
In conclusion, exchange of bitcoin or any crypto for fiat or reverse is banned in China. stop spreading false information.

unless you can give us the official Chinese government announcement saying "exchange of cryptocurrences with CNY is banned", you are spreading FUD.

they have closed exchanges. true.
these exchanges were big and were working with CNY. true.
but it doesn't mean they have banned trading of cryptocurrencies. there are still other exchanges and people are trading them easily. you can check out localbitcoins and the huge CNY volume that comes out of there if you want.

Yo fuder. here is the info you asked, you are welcome.


http://www.miit.gov.cn/n1146290/n4388791/c5781140/content.html

"中国人民银行 中央网信办 工业和信息化部 工商总局 银监会 证监会 保监会 关于防范代币发行融资风险的公告 04/09/2017" Announcement issued by "People's of China Central Bank, Internet Information Regulation Office, Office of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, Trade and Industry Bureau, Banking Regulatory Commission, Securities Regulatory Commission, Insurance Regulatory Commission 04/09/2017"

"三、加强代币融资交易平台的管理
本公告发布之日起,任何所谓的代币融资交易平台不得从事法定货币与代币、“虚拟货币”相互之间的兑换业务,不得买卖或作为中央对手方买卖代币或“虚拟货币”,不得为代币或“虚拟货币”提供定价、信息中介等服务。"
Chapiter 3,
Since the day of this announcement, any kind of so called cryptocurrencies exchange
shouldn't provide fiat CNY <--> cryptocurrencies nor cryptocurrencies <-> other cryptocurrencies trading service,
shouldn't sell/buy cryptocurrencies,
shouldn't set/provide price index for cryptocurrencies,
shouldn't act as trading escrow (p2p) neither.

cryptocurrencies = all kinds of cryptocurrencies, bitcoin, altcoins, shitcoins, ico scam coins, myass coin, fud gold, fake money, talkbitcoin fuddermonies or whatever..


Exchangers should be thankful to be given some delay (until the end of this month) to close down and clear the house and refund client's fund.
Now, you cool?

i read the page three times now. all i can conclude is that this article is talking about ICOs and how they are disguised way of illegal fund raising and because of that they are closing exchanges.

and i can still see large trading volume coming from localbitcoins in China and other places with CNY.

I gave you word by word translation and fact up there, but if you don't want to wake up, fine.
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Re: Big News From China
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tscen
on 28/10/2017, 11:19:37 UTC
I thought, since the news circulated that china ban cryptocurrency and managed to knock down the bitcoin price by more than $ 1000, then it was they

who were smiling. They can see their strength or influence for this technology. And now, they come back after the bitcoin is at its peak.though Its not

surprising. But I'm just wondering if they are behind the bitcoin price hike.

no one is coming back, you have been fooled.
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Re: Big News From China
by
tscen
on 28/10/2017, 11:09:11 UTC
Big news from china

https://www.huobi.pro/zh-cn/notice_detail/?id=651. Huobi, one of the biggest crypto exchange in China, will resume its operation at 12:00, 26th, October (China Time)

We are excited to announce that Huobi Pro will support Tether(USDT) trading pairs. USDT deposit and withdrawal is available from 18:00 October 24th,2017(GMT+8). And BTC/USDT and ETH/USDT trading will start at 12:00 October 26th,2017(GMT+8).


I knew it that they will come back again with their operations. I thought they will migrate to nearby countries and will continue it's operation that way. Anything that goes for this type of business there's no one that can stop it even the Chinese government when same interests are applied for the company and also for the Chinese government. Other exchanges will be wild again and will announce the same thing. And now, let's expect bitcoin's price up to the moon again.

If my memory serves me right, ViaBTC was going to move their exchange operations to Hong-Kong, though I don't know if they actually moved there or, if not, whether they are still going to change the country of their business. Does anyone know what's become of that? At large, the politics and decisions of the Chinese authorities seem to be very unpredictable and controversial, mildly speaking. But as I said before, they influence Bitcoin less and less each time the Chinese government comes up with something new.

I don't have also any news about their migration to Hongkong. But I guess there's no need to do it so because there's an indication now that they can now start operating again with any Chinese region. We can't really get any reliable source on what's happening to China and it's businesses regarding bitcoin and to be specific with their exchanges. I'm only waiting now for any cryptonews website to publish an article regarding this comeback from China.

You can read about their former plans here and here. The synopsis can be written as following:

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ViaBTC Intends to Launch an Overseas-Based Bitcoin Exchange After Ceasing Chinese Operations on September 30th. Chinese cryptocurrency exchange ViaBTC has announced its intention to launch a trading platform based outside of China. The decision to establish an overseas-based platform follows announcements that the exchange will shut down operations in mainland China on September 30th. ViaBTC has revealed plans to launch a cryptocurrency exchange platform outside of mainland China.

If they were really planning to launch their trading business somewhere outside of China, for example, in Taiwan, as some people on reddit suggested, it doesn't make much sense to stay in China any more. Today the Chinese authorities may allow cryptocurrency trading only to change their mind again tomorrow. Though I certainly agree with your note that we can't know for certain what is going on in China with respect to bitcoin and bitcoin exchanges there.

We sure can know what is going on in China, exchangers are banned, this simple. want to know about more? read it: "Big News From China" is spreading false information, Exchangers are banned !
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2320265.0
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Re: Big News From China
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tscen
on 28/10/2017, 10:55:25 UTC
I am not from China so I do not use sites from that country. But i can say that China play big role in Bitcoin world. Bitcoin price and market are connected to China, because there are a lot of users and miners in it. We all know what happened to market and Bitcoin price when China announced that they will ban Bitcoin local and ICO. So I guess that this is good news for cryptocurrency world.

No it is not. you have been fooled by the op. read this:

"Big News From China" is spreading false information, Exchangers are banned !
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2320265.0
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Re: "Big News From China" is spreading false information
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tscen
on 28/10/2017, 09:39:58 UTC
News about China no longer moves the price down. If there is some positive development from China, the price might move up. So the false information and rumour mongering from China is going to be a futile exercise.

Exactly! there is only ban and no such "re-open" thing. they are all closing down in 3 days before 1/11/2017.
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Re: "Big News From China" is spreading false information
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tscen
on 27/10/2017, 12:13:36 UTC
In conclusion, exchange of bitcoin or any crypto for fiat or reverse is banned in China. stop spreading false information.

unless you can give us the official Chinese government announcement saying "exchange of cryptocurrences with CNY is banned", you are spreading FUD.

they have closed exchanges. true.
these exchanges were big and were working with CNY. true.
but it doesn't mean they have banned trading of cryptocurrencies. there are still other exchanges and people are trading them easily. you can check out localbitcoins and the huge CNY volume that comes out of there if you want.

Yo fuder. here is the info you asked, you are welcome.


http://www.miit.gov.cn/n1146290/n4388791/c5781140/content.html

"中国人民银行 中央网信办 工业和信息化部 工商总局 银监会 证监会 保监会 关于防范代币发行融资风险的公告 04/09/2017" Announcement issued by "People's of China Central Bank, Internet Information Regulation Office, Office of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, Trade and Industry Bureau, Banking Regulatory Commission, Securities Regulatory Commission, Insurance Regulatory Commission 04/09/2017"

"三、加强代币融资交易平台的管理
本公告发布之日起,任何所谓的代币融资交易平台不得从事法定货币与代币、“虚拟货币”相互之间的兑换业务,不得买卖或作为中央对手方买卖代币或“虚拟货币”,不得为代币或“虚拟货币”提供定价、信息中介等服务。"
Chapiter 3,
Since the day of this announcement, any kind of so called cryptocurrencies exchange
shouldn't provide fiat CNY <--> cryptocurrencies nor cryptocurrencies <-> other cryptocurrencies trading service,
shouldn't sell/buy cryptocurrencies,
shouldn't set/provide price index for cryptocurrencies,
shouldn't act as trading escrow (p2p) neither.

cryptocurrencies = all kinds of cryptocurrencies, bitcoin, altcoins, shitcoins, ico scam coins, myass coin, fud gold, fake money, talkbitcoin fuddermonies or whatever..


Exchangers should be thankful to be given some delay (until the end of this month) to close down and clear the house and refund client's fund.
Now, you cool?
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Re: "Big News From China" is spreading false information
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tscen
on 27/10/2017, 10:58:39 UTC
Thank you for the clarification. I think the title of that thread should be "Big News From China's biggest cryptocurrency exchange". Another lesson learned for today, I think we should really research the threads and news posted here.

Guys, It has nothing to do With CHINA. Read the FIRST POST.

In fact, they can't be called as China's exchange at all, they are not registered in China and doesn't support CNY deposit/withdrawal. which means no average Chinese traders at there.
The only thing China related is the exchange is running by Chinese in China.

you can think as this: some American registered an exchange at HongKong and only do EUR deposit/withdrawal/trade and doesn't / can't accept any kind of fund from/to America (say America used the same capital controls as China's).
Is it an American exchange then? compare the differences between this exchange and coinbase/gemini.
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Re: "Big News From China" is spreading false information
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tscen
on 26/10/2017, 16:26:20 UTC
there are a lot of people telling this and that and noone can provide us a solid source.
to be honest i do not really care about your drama and others,
what i really care is my lovely Bitcoin,no matter what price is it as long as it keep growing i will always love it.
let say chinese banning it,so what ? we have a world to love it and take care of it.
but what happen if chinese do not ban it ? nothing change,right ?
cryptocurrency and other assets are different,bear it in your mind.
always move to the opposite side from what people say and never believe it before you prove it by yourself.


You are totally wrong. there is no "a lot of people telling this and that".

China did ban exchangers, and exchangers have all made public announcements of shutdown process on their front pages. and you are still "confuse" if its true?

I don't care about the market influence neither, i see someone trying to spread FUD about huobi is re-opening and "China is not banning anymore", that's why i make this fact clear.
I don't care about what are you saying as long as bitcoin still on the right way and this time gets almost 7% increase. We will touch another new ATH soon.
Can you give me a reliable source or proof to proves your opinion about the bitcoin exchange are banned in the china?
A lot of people are lying about that. It seems you are including in there.


I dont know people are so dump these days, can't even check for the public announcement on the website frontpage.

https://www.btcchina.com/ such a huge banner of "shutdown announcement" on the frontpage, pick eng at the bottom-right then you can see english version of details.
https://www.huobi.com/ on the middle of frontpage, " 公告:关于火币网(huobi.com)停止所有虚拟货币交易业务的公告" --> Announcement: huobi.com about to shutdown all virtual currency trading
https://www.okcoin.cn/t-2510731.html "OKCoin币行网(okcoin.cn)关于停止人民币交易业务的公告" --> Announcement: okcoin.cn stop virtual currency/CNY trading
etc..

All Chinese exchangers have disabled user registration and fiat deposit since last month, they are all going to completely shutdown before 1 November (stop trading & withdrawal).

I told you already, here is not about price or market talk, its about pointing out that the post of "Big News From China" is spreading false information.
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Re: "Big News From China" is spreading false information
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tscen
on 26/10/2017, 12:00:37 UTC
there are a lot of people telling this and that and noone can provide us a solid source.
to be honest i do not really care about your drama and others,
what i really care is my lovely Bitcoin,no matter what price is it as long as it keep growing i will always love it.
let say chinese banning it,so what ? we have a world to love it and take care of it.
but what happen if chinese do not ban it ? nothing change,right ?
cryptocurrency and other assets are different,bear it in your mind.
always move to the opposite side from what people say and never believe it before you prove it by yourself.


You are totally wrong. there is no "a lot of people telling this and that".

China did ban exchangers, and exchangers have all made public announcements of shutdown process on their front pages. and you are still "confuse" if its true?

I don't care about the market influence neither, i see someone trying to spread FUD about huobi is re-opening and "China is not banning anymore", that's why i make this fact clear.
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Re: Big News From China
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tscen
on 26/10/2017, 10:20:37 UTC
Big news from china🔼

https://www.huobi.pro/zh-cn/notice_detail/?id=651. Huobi, one of the biggest crypto exchange in China, will resume its operation at 12:00, 26th, October (China Time)

We are excited to announce that Huobi Pro will support Tether(USDT) trading pairs. USDT deposit and withdrawal is available from 18:00 October 24th,2017(GMT+8). And BTC/USDT and ETH/USDT trading will start at 12:00 October 26th,2017(GMT+8).



The fact that they resume operations just shows us one thing.
CHINA is going to step back from their ban on cryptocurrencies exchanges.

Huobi is an exchange that is up to the rules, if they resume operates, OKCoin and other chinese exchanges are expected to follow up.
I really hope that we will see an official update from the chinese government about the trading ban, it could impact the bitcoin price positively.



You are being fooled by this false information. China banned exchange and nothing has been changed.


"Big News From China" is spreading false information: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2320265.0
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Re: "Big News From China" is spreading false information
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tscen
on 26/10/2017, 09:49:45 UTC
Huobi is banned in China. No exchange of BTC / CNY Legal Tender (bank wire, third party payment etc) is allowed to operate in China.

The current running exchanges e.g. okcoin, huobi, btcchina etc are all going to close down this month before the final limit date given by the government.

Those Chinese exchanges can register abroad e.g. in Hongkong, Singapore, Japan, Virgin Islands or whatever low tax lite regulation countries, and running with BTC / NON-CNY currency pair. the case in the post "Big News From China", huobi.com registered abroad with a new domain huobi.pro, running with btc / usd tether to bypass China gov's ban. it has nothing to do with China.

Will it work? may be, may be not. For how long is a question.
usd tether is just like btc-e code or Liberty Reserve waiting to be cracked down by the US Authority.
The whole fake foreign but real Chinese companies like huobi.pro or okcoin.com etc are all operating in China, maybe even by the same group of people in the same office and the same room. China gov surely can raid them over night.

US gov already showed us this with btc-e, which its even worse that they hunted the russian admin down in Greece. compare to this, China has prefect authority.

In conclusion, exchange of bitcoin or any crypto for fiat or reverse is banned in China. stop spreading false information.

Oh look! Another troll account!

Why are you lying to the fact? and blamed someone who wakes you up from the fake sweet wet dream..
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"Big News From China" is spreading false information, Exchangers are banned !
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tscen
on 26/10/2017, 09:34:07 UTC
Huobi is banned in China. No exchange of BTC / CNY Legal Tender (bank wire, third party payment etc) is allowed to operate in China.

The current running exchanges e.g. okcoin, huobi, btcchina etc are all going to close down this month before the final limit date given by the government.

Those Chinese exchanges can register abroad e.g. in Hongkong, Singapore, Japan, Virgin Islands or whatever low tax lite regulation countries, and running with BTC / NON-CNY currency pair. the case in the post "Big News From China", huobi.com registered abroad with a new domain huobi.pro, running with btc / usd tether to bypass China gov's ban. it has nothing to do with China.

Will it work? may be, may be not. For how long is a question.
usd tether is just like btc-e code or Liberty Reserve waiting to be cracked down by the US Authority.
The whole fake foreign but real Chinese companies like huobi.pro or okcoin.com etc are all operating in China, maybe even by the same group of people in the same office and the same room. China gov surely can raid them over night.

US gov already showed us this with btc-e, which its even worse that they hunted the russian admin down in Greece. compare to this, China has prefect authority.

In conclusion, exchange of bitcoin or any crypto for fiat or reverse is banned in China. stop spreading false information.