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Re: BCT is now a "Government", mod and legend are all Cabinet !
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ttm2018
on 29/01/2018, 09:53:39 UTC
Bitcointalk is a dictatorship deal with it - It is owned by 1 person, no ruling body, no elections.. guess why? because its not a fucking country its a business.

People moaning as if they are living under the Asad regime are retarded. Theymos built a place for people to discuss Bitcoin and socialize with other people who have the same hobby, I am sure he didn't intend this place to end up in a shitposting cesspool of people who barely have a grasp of the English language, people who feel they are entitled to earn on signature campaigns and bounties.

Get stuff in perspective, go out for a walk and breathe some fresh air, if you are still unhappy do not come back here. its really that simple


funny, you are becoming the poster child of why the merit system is bad

you make me realized that besides shitposters and spammers, there is another problem the forum needs to solve -- people like you.

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Re: BCT is now a "Government", mod and legend are all Cabinet !
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ttm2018
on 29/01/2018, 09:32:03 UTC

The admins of this forum have all the right to change the rules in this forum. They also have all the right to assign anyone they want to be moderators and staff. The admins use their best judgement on all their moves in this forum and they do that for the advancement of this forum. If you have any suggestion send it to them and let them have a look and study. But for now lets embrace this merit system and see how it goes. This is just new, not even a month implemented for us to judge that its not good. Its either you are part of the solution or you are part of the problem.



I think the sentiment here is that people are disappointed at the management capability of the admins, including their way of communicating the inevitable pain in such process. For sure this is a private forum and admin can do whatever they want. They started building this community from 2010 and they have every right to destroy it. The truth is that people can vote with their feet and if the system is bad enough, another forum will replace bitcointalk.org. Then merit or level on BTT won't mean anything.

Governments tries to ban bitcoin but they can't, even those are their (sort of) private countries and the rulers can do whatever they want. Deploying a new Trumpester system to see how it goes, being completely ignorant and insensitive of how most people feels, while every single hero/legendary members in this thread has some signature campaigns going on, is irresponsible, incompetent, and is a bad sign for the forum.

Everything has its time in history. Even bitcoin might eventually die to give place for maybe a better designed value system. Now could be the ending of the beginning or BTT, but it could also be the beginning of its ending.


Way back 2010 this forum doesn't have this Merit system because everything is still running smooth, but eventually things get out of hand as there's a lot users who wants to register in this forum and they want a lot of account to control so they can join campaigns and because of that quality of posts suffered because most of them are just posting just to meet the dead line and not because they want to join a healthy discussion or share their knowledge about the topic. Way back 2010, I guess its not even an issue, but now it is. And the answer of BCT is you don't rank up if post quality is not good based on the merits awarded to the user who posted. We don't want the admins of BCT to just say, lets re-start all over again, new forum and implement the merit system. Lets give the merit system a try.


of cause the forum is not a cryptography libertarian forum anymore, and the admins have little experience on how to govern the "real world". In real world, such a change would have to go through a public discussion first, then test it in some boards or some sub-demographic, before considering a full-blown change.

the crypto world has changed and for sure it won't go back to 2010. i don't think most people come here now to make money. still more come here for the dream of discentralization, of freedom --- only to find that the power here is so centralized. The spirit of freedom is absolutely more important than having quality post.

also maybe only 2% of the posts mentioned that the merit system might be temporary. most posts says:
- the merit system is good
- don't whine

this makes me question whether the admins are the same group of people back in 2010


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Re: What are the alternatives for Bitcointalk?
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ttm2018
on 29/01/2018, 09:06:24 UTC
I really think this is going no where.
Welcome to the club.

I'd love to find a forum where it's less crowded with a lot more technical discussions. Ideally people there don't care about levels. There are new technologies being discussed.
There is no such place. If you want to follow technical discussions, then:
a) Follow the Bitcoin development mailing list.
b) Follow the Lightning development mailing list.
c) Read the #bitcoin-core-dev IRC channel.
d) Read the #bitcoin-dev IRC channel.
e) Read the #lnd IRC channel.
f) Obviously, (as you've mentioned) pay attention to the Github repos.

maybe i understand it wrong, besides technical discussions, exactly what kind of meritorious posts are the forum look to promote?   i looked at the recent posts with merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=toptopics),  most of them are posts that extolling the new merit system.   (or helping to promoting, explaining, the new system.)   

are those posts the admins want to define as meritorious posts?
if not, should they pay more attention to the actually useful ones and promote those?

if they want to fight signature campaigns, should they remove their signatures first?


Just like bitcoin itself, it's up for fork when the community can't agree.
That won't work.

Seriously, can't think of a better use case for DAO than such a forum!
Horrible idea.

why? I guess horribleness is relative.   things just need to be less horrible than the alternative




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Re: What are the alternatives for Bitcointalk?
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ttm2018
on 29/01/2018, 08:36:26 UTC
I really think this is going no where.

I'd love to find a forum where it's less crowded with a lot more technical discussions. Ideally people there don't care about levels. There are new technologies being discussed.

I know there are lots of quality discussion on the various github repos, but I'd still prefer a forum setting. I checked out Ethereumtalk.org but it's nothing.

I don't like the flying of shit in posts here, neither do I like some of the the condescending admins here. Just like bitcoin itself, it's up for fork when the community can't agree.

I remember that a while ago someone was talking about a decentralized forum, maybe this is a real use for the chain -- to fork forum easily. So that all existing users will still keep their accounts on the new forum, just the rules will be different.

Seriously, can't think of a better use case for DAO than such a forum!


as a total newbie this thread is rather funny. Why not post with your original account?

yeah, sometimes I also wonder why didn't Satoshi release bitcoin using his real name, ever thought about that?

anyway to answer in a sensible way.. why don't you check out the forum by the honorable Mr Ver?

bad try, not sensible




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Re: BCT is now a "Government", mod and legend are all Cabinet !
by
ttm2018
on 29/01/2018, 08:26:23 UTC
Sorry for my English, but hope you can understand what I mean !

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The new Merit system is a new weapon ruled by "bct government" ... and all those mods and legend members are now cabinet..

they can choose to give you merit or not !

1: Quality post?
what is quality post? Is BTC a pure technical forum or a economic forum ? or both ?
I have asked the same questions under many other threads, what is "quality posts" in BCT Huh
The cryptocurrecy will die without tech support, and also BCT will die without those new projects, even it's shit coin!

2: Are you sure those mods and legends will give you merit?
I believe some of them will... and also believe that most of them will not !   Just my opinion, selfish but true!
Some of the mods and legends in bct contributed a lot , but many others never contributed, they are legends just because they'v been here several years ago !

3:  Mods and legends now monopolized the resources!
It's not new members fault... they are new, but also need to be treated fairly! Mods and legends can join bounty freely, and have the ability to control the whole projects now !
The merits' source is now been controlled, the rank upgrading is rule by man, not by law!

Merit is not good way to make BCT clean...BCT need a good rule for airdrop/bounty program, but not a monopolized rule for new members !


The admins of this forum have all the right to change the rules in this forum. They also have all the right to assign anyone they want to be moderators and staff. The admins use their best judgement on all their moves in this forum and they do that for the advancement of this forum. If you have any suggestion send it to them and let them have a look and study. But for now lets embrace this merit system and see how it goes. This is just new, not even a month implemented for us to judge that its not good. Its either you are part of the solution or you are part of the problem.



I think the sentiment here is that people are disappointed at the management capability of the admins, including their way of communicating the inevitable pain in such process. For sure this is a private forum and admin can do whatever they want. They started building this community from 2010 and they have every right to destroy it. The truth is that people can vote with their feet and if the system is bad enough, another forum will replace bitcointalk.org. Then merit or level on BTT won't mean anything.

Governments tries to ban bitcoin but they can't, even those are their (sort of) private countries and the rulers can do whatever they want. Deploying a new Trumpester system to see how it goes, being completely ignorant and insensitive of how most people feels, while every single hero/legendary members in this thread has some signature campaigns going on, is irresponsible, incompetent, and is a bad sign for the forum.

Everything has its time in history. Even bitcoin might eventually die to give place for maybe a better designed value system. Now could be the ending of the beginning or BTT, but it could also be the beginning of its ending.

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What are the alternatives for Bitcointalk?
by
ttm2018
on 29/01/2018, 08:03:46 UTC
I really think this is going no where.

I'd love to find a forum where it's less crowded with a lot more technical discussions. Ideally people there don't care about levels. There are new technologies being discussed.

I know there are lots of quality discussion on the various github repos, but I'd still prefer a forum setting. I checked out Ethereumtalk.org but it's nothing.

I don't like the flying of shit in posts here, neither do I like some of the the condescending admins here. Just like bitcoin itself, it's up for fork when the community can't agree.

I remember that a while ago someone was talking about a decentralized forum, maybe this is a real use for the chain -- to fork forum easily. So that all existing users will still keep their accounts on the new forum, just the rules will be different.

Seriously, can't think of a better use case for DAO than such a forum!