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Re: What is your counter argument to...
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username18444
on 23/11/2014, 08:16:28 UTC
Inflation is a form of taxation. If you hold 1 cent (0.01$) you are already taxed.


Money serves to regulate consumption and, thus, comprises failings thereabout.

I think new people will only come when a clear bottom has been found, too many price speculations are going on. The long term chart doesn't look particulalry attractive for people to jump in


The price is entirely speculative, and how will we ever know when a 'clear bottom has been found'?

There should be a term for a debt that big. How come US accumulated that big of a debt?

Because they meddle with everything and meddling with everything uses money. Thats why.

You're getting there.

Quote from: Peaceful Revolution Network link=http://www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html
The 50 years of war left England in financial ruin. The government officials went begging for loans from guess who, and the deal proposed resulted in a government sanctioned, privately owned bank which could produce money from nothing, essentially legally counterfeiting a national currency for private gain.

Now the politicians had a source from which to borrow all the money they wanted to borrow, and the debt created was secured against public taxes.

You would think someone would have seen through this, and realised they could produce their own money and owe no interest, but instead the Bank of England has been used as a model and now nearly every nation has a Central Bank with fractional reserve banking at its core.

These central banks have the power to take over a nations economy and become that nations real governing force. What we have here is a scam of mammoth proportions covering what is actually a hidden tax, being collected by private concerns.

The country sells bonds to the bank in return for money it cannot raise in taxes. The bonds are paid for by money produced from thin air. The government pays interest on the money it borrowed by borrowing more money in the same way. There is no way this debt can ever be paid, it has and will continue to increase.

If the government did find a way to pay off the debt, the result would be that there would be no bonds to back the currency, so to pay the debt would be to kill the currency.
(Emphasis mine.)

When bitcoins are loaned by their miners with interest to be paid in bitcoins, they will find their bottom—both ethically and monetarily.

Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222
The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens… Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere.
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Re: Why isn't the Pentagon in D.C.?
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username18444
on 23/11/2014, 06:07:14 UTC
Have you ever heard the saying 'never put all your eggs in one basket'
Probably somehing like that, i don't know.


Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy
democracy
1  b :  a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plutocracy
plutocracy
1  :  government by the wealthy

You write as if plutocracy were republican democracy.

You write as if lobbyists paid very well for influencing politicians' votes do not exist...

Comcast loves 0bama's plan. Does that mean the people voted for Comcast?

More control from government will not make things easier for creatives minds now, especially the ones with ideas but no money. This has been proven over and over again.

. . .

You write as if plutocracy were republican democracy.

Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222
The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens… Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere.
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Re: Facism making a comeback?
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username18444
on 23/11/2014, 05:16:56 UTC
oh lord, fascism is a type of socialism?  ...

The state and corporate spheres can merge (again, Mussolini's definition of Fascism) and promulgate a variety of political, social, and economic landscapes.  Various elements typically considered Socialism is certainly one possibility here.

What probably won't last very long under Mussolini's conception of Fascism is Democracy.  More and more that is slipping away here in the U.S. where we have the choice between two awful and barely distinguishable candidates for important offices (esp, the presidency) and a lot of significant on-the-ground actions are the result of unelected and uncountable boards and executive policy is formed and implemented with no transparency and blatant subterfuge (see the recent Gruber stuff as an example.)


Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy
democracy
1  b :  a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plutocracy
plutocracy
1  :  government by the wealthy

You write as if plutocracy were republican democracy.

You write as if lobbyists paid very well for influencing politicians' votes do not exist...

Comcast loves 0bama's plan. Does that mean the people voted for Comcast?

More control from government will not make things easier for creatives minds now, especially the ones with ideas but no money. This has been proven over and over again.

. . .

You write as if plutocracy were republican democracy.

Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222
The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens… Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere.
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Re: When will my AI be able to post for me here? And fight idiots on my behalf?
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username18444
on 23/11/2014, 04:21:08 UTC
. . .

If existence comprised an absolute quantity of microstates, then its mezostates would too. If “position” was an element of these microstates, “momentum”—as a conglomeration of such positions (and correspondent masses)—would be an element of their mezostates. In that case, ascertaining position would require forsaking momentum and vice versa.

. . .

“Reality” could also be termed the collection of solitary (static) microstates of existence that align to form the emergent properties thereof most generally termed “change.”
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Re: Facism making a comeback?
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username18444
on 23/11/2014, 04:10:38 UTC
Quote from: Peter Kropotkin, Kropotkin's Revolutionary Pamphlets link=http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/revpamphlets/anarchistcommunism.html
ANARCHIST COMMUNISM: ITS BASIS AND PRINCIPLES


I

     Anarchism, the no-government system of socialism, has a double origin. It is an outgrowth of the two great movements of thought in the economic and the political fields which characterize the nineteenth century, and especially its second part. In common with all socialists, the anarchists hold that the private ownership of land, capital, and machinery has had its time; that it is condemned to disappear; and that all requisites for production must, and will, become the common property of society, and be managed in common by the producers of wealth. And in common with the most advanced representatives of political radicalism, they maintain that the ideal of the political organization of society is a condition of things where the functions of government are reduced to a minimum, and the individual recovers his full liberty of initiative and action for satisfying, by means of free groups and federations--freely constituted--all the infinitely varied needs of the human being.

     As regards socialism, most of the anarchists arrive at its ultimate conclusion, that is, at a complete negation of the wage-system and at communism. And with reference to political organization, by giving a further development to the above-mentioned part of the radical program, they arrive at the conclusion that the ultimate aim of society is the reduction of the functions of government to nil--that is, to a society without government, to anarchy. The anarchists maintain, moreover, that such being the ideal of social and political organization, they must not remit it to future centuries. but that only those changes in our social organization which are in accordance with the above double ideal, and constitute an approach to it, will have a chance of life and be beneficial for the commonwealth.

. . .

Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222
The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens… Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere.
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Re: Bitcoin techniques useful for real democratic votes?
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username18444
on 22/11/2014, 17:15:51 UTC
I mean especially if someone has an idea how this can be done in detail.

I doubt anarchism is a way for the future. People are probably thousands of years away of being able to life that way. Even nowadays anarchists use things produced by others though mostly dont produce much of worth from their side. If everyone would life like those anarchists try to life then it would not work definitely.


Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222
The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens… Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere.
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Re: Thought “Police”
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username18444
on 22/11/2014, 16:23:02 UTC
I like very much both titles what is that? What's the aim? The Imperial bureau of rumination Cheesy. Do you guarantee a safe experience for those venturing in your hive?


Quote from: Imperial Bureau of Rumination link=http://forums.rgeo5wj7gneidzh3.onion
Imperial Bureau of Rumination (IBR) reinforces imperial thought, ruminating a variety of matters including ownership, money, government, and other major topics.
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Re: In the year 3000.
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username18444
on 22/11/2014, 05:10:01 UTC

Quote from: Peter Kropotkin, Kropotkin's Revolutionary Pamphlets link=http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/revpamphlets/anarchistcommunism.html
ANARCHIST COMMUNISM: ITS BASIS AND PRINCIPLES


I

     Anarchism, the no-government system of socialism, has a double origin. It is an outgrowth of the two great movements of thought in the economic and the political fields which characterize the nineteenth century, and especially its second part. In common with all socialists, the anarchists hold that the private ownership of land, capital, and machinery has had its time; that it is condemned to disappear; and that all requisites for production must, and will, become the common property of society, and be managed in common by the producers of wealth. And in common with the most advanced representatives of political radicalism, they maintain that the ideal of the political organization of society is a condition of things where the functions of government are reduced to a minimum, and the individual recovers his full liberty of initiative and action for satisfying, by means of free groups and federations--freely constituted--all the infinitely varied needs of the human being.

     As regards socialism, most of the anarchists arrive at its ultimate conclusion, that is, at a complete negation of the wage-system and at communism. And with reference to political organization, by giving a further development to the above-mentioned part of the radical program, they arrive at the conclusion that the ultimate aim of society is the reduction of the functions of government to nil--that is, to a society without government, to anarchy. The anarchists maintain, moreover, that such being the ideal of social and political organization, they must not remit it to future centuries. but that only those changes in our social organization which are in accordance with the above double ideal, and constitute an approach to it, will have a chance of life and be beneficial for the commonwealth.

. . .

Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222
The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens… Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere.
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Re: IS UFO or ALIENS are real ?
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username18444
on 22/11/2014, 04:47:13 UTC
uh, what makes you think aliens are real? lol.


Quote from: Moira Prefecture link=http://www.moiraprefecture.com/ForteanArchive/CompleteListOfSpecies/Civilizations.html
Extraterrestrial Civilizations
According to the data received from psychics, channelers, remote viewers, prophets and abductees.

. . .
[(Emphasis mine.)]

Do you see the problem there? Tongue Until there is actual physical evidence, and not just someone's testimony, it's not likely to be taken seriously.

. . .

Quote from: Ray Villard link=http://news.discovery.com/space/alien-life-exoplanets/time-to-plan-for-a-millennium-mission-to-alpha-centauri-130617.htm
The impressive planet inventory take by NASA’s Kepler space observatory, combined with other research, has taken us down the road to concluding that, on average, every star in the Milky Way galaxy has at least one planet. What’s more, Earth-sized planets are far more common than giant Jupiters.

Planets exist there, and we do not have the ability to observe planets of our size; therefore, it is entirely possible that the civilizations described above do, indeed, occupy planets akin to our own both in size and and orbital zone. As well, considering the close proximity of some of these stars (“α Centauri” is our nearest solar neighbor), it is entirely reasonable to expect them to have found or heard of us in exploring their most immediate, solar surroundings (upon, of course, acquiring the ability and desire to do so).


Quote from: Ray Villard link=http://news.discovery.com/space/alien-life-exoplanets/time-to-plan-for-a-millennium-mission-to-alpha-centauri-130617.htm
Nevertheless, It’s not too early to think about the a millennium-long project to visit and colonize the star system. I cannot imagine a bolder step for the evolution of mankind. The project will cost untold trillions of dollars spent across many generations. But it will establish us as an interstellar species, that is for all practical purposes, immortal. This would be an evolutionary step as profound as when Earth’s first sea creatures ventured onto land.

However, it should not come as any surprise that the people, Homo sapiens, that exterminated Homo erectus and the Neanderthals would instill certain reservations within prospective visitors and motivate them to maintain a general ignorance as to their existence among that people.

Quote from: Ray Villard link=http://news.discovery.com/space/alien-life-exoplanets/time-to-plan-for-a-millennium-mission-to-alpha-centauri-130617.htm
Could intelligent life be there too? Unfortunately, in a lousy coincidence, the star system is too far south to be observed by the powerful Arecibo radio antenna in Puerto Rico, or the new Allen Telescope Array in northern California, that can easily look for any artificial radio transmissions.
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Re: Albert Einstein: Plagiarist and Fraud
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username18444
on 22/11/2014, 04:38:12 UTC
(Google translate)

"....Experiment Cern: The resurrection of the ether as a fifth element.

The notorious "unknown" link of matter, the Higgs boson is the springboard for the much-known international work as an experiment in CERN. Once again in modern times, truths spoken thousands of years ago, returning to great discoveries. Thus, while the descriptions of the solar system was given and extinct for centuries, as epanerchonto achievements materialistic culture. What if the hapless Copernicus made explicit references to the work of Aristarchus, modern leaders, insist the show as a groundbreaking researcher. What if Plato and Pythagoras had analyzed the morphology and sphericity of the Earth and the solar system, modern scientists until the 70s believed that the planets is 7, while still searching the Tenth (Antichthon).

So far, the experiment of Cern, attempt to restore with scientific proof of the existence of ether as a fifth element, the binder material. While well aware that the Ether element as was accepted by Descartes, Copernicus, Newton, Tesla, Faraday and many others. The assumption of the existence owe electricity, magnetism and many other applications that we enjoy today. Even nuclear energy.

THE GROUNDS OF ETHER APOKRYPSIS

While it may seem excessive, the existence of Ether hushed because nullify Religious and materialistic beliefs. The presence of the ether as a fifth element, giving 'divine' status in the very nature explaining many of the secrets of creation. So shoot down the monopoly of Messianistic religions based their authority to represent the supreme supernatural power.

The Materialism, concealed the power of Ether reasons for interest. The management of Ether can offer a large sum of cheap energy, canceling the power structure of monopoly power as leverage.

The coup de grace scientific burial ether was the theory of relativity, the theory has already been refuted experimentally! Einstein even practically handed the management of the ether as the final ingredient to create the Atomic Bomb. Creation which is still the ultimate instrument of power....."

"...Theorists of New Physics believe that Ether doesnt obeys the notorious Law of Thermodynamics, which argue that energy can not be created nor destroyed, only to change his form. For these energy always existed and always will exist. There is no need to be created or destroyed. What is needed is a new Einstein will overcome the laws of conservation of energy and create a theoretical framework on which to build the new etheric technology (Aether Technology). The problem is that people refuse to believe that they have unlimited possibilities in front of them, enough to properly exploit the intelligence and instincts. Our planet is suffocating under the current energy model, based on the combustion of carbon compounds. The Earth can not wait any longer. Revolutionaries need not tomorrow, but today. Not only words, but also action. "The triumph of evil is for good to do nothing» (Edmund Burke)..."


. . .

If existence comprised an absolute quantity of microstates, then its mezostates would too. If “position” was an element of these microstates, “momentum”—as a conglomeration of such positions (and correspondent masses)—would be an element of their mezostates. In that case, ascertaining position would require forsaking momentum and vice versa.

. . .

“Reality” could also be termed the collection of solitary (static) microstates of existence that align to form the emergent properties thereof most generally termed “change.”
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Re: Globalisation, Digitalization and Democracy, compatible?
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username18444
on 22/11/2014, 04:11:50 UTC
Quote from: Peter Kropotkin, Kropotkin's Revolutionary Pamphlets link=http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/revpamphlets/anarchistcommunism.html
ANARCHIST COMMUNISM: ITS BASIS AND PRINCIPLES


I

     Anarchism, the no-government system of socialism, has a double origin. It is an outgrowth of the two great movements of thought in the economic and the political fields which characterize the nineteenth century, and especially its second part. In common with all socialists, the anarchists hold that the private ownership of land, capital, and machinery has had its time; that it is condemned to disappear; and that all requisites for production must, and will, become the common property of society, and be managed in common by the producers of wealth. And in common with the most advanced representatives of political radicalism, they maintain that the ideal of the political organization of society is a condition of things where the functions of government are reduced to a minimum, and the individual recovers his full liberty of initiative and action for satisfying, by means of free groups and federations--freely constituted--all the infinitely varied needs of the human being.

     As regards socialism, most of the anarchists arrive at its ultimate conclusion, that is, at a complete negation of the wage-system and at communism. And with reference to political organization, by giving a further development to the above-mentioned part of the radical program, they arrive at the conclusion that the ultimate aim of society is the reduction of the functions of government to nil--that is, to a society without government, to anarchy. The anarchists maintain, moreover, that such being the ideal of social and political organization, they must not remit it to future centuries. but that only those changes in our social organization which are in accordance with the above double ideal, and constitute an approach to it, will have a chance of life and be beneficial for the commonwealth.

. . .

Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222
The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens… Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere.
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Re: Bitcoin techniques useful for real democratic votes?
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username18444
on 22/11/2014, 04:01:13 UTC

Quote from: Peter Kropotkin, Kropotkin's Revolutionary Pamphlets link=http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/revpamphlets/anarchistcommunism.html
ANARCHIST COMMUNISM: ITS BASIS AND PRINCIPLES


I

     Anarchism, the no-government system of socialism, has a double origin. It is an outgrowth of the two great movements of thought in the economic and the political fields which characterize the nineteenth century, and especially its second part. In common with all socialists, the anarchists hold that the private ownership of land, capital, and machinery has had its time; that it is condemned to disappear; and that all requisites for production must, and will, become the common property of society, and be managed in common by the producers of wealth. And in common with the most advanced representatives of political radicalism, they maintain that the ideal of the political organization of society is a condition of things where the functions of government are reduced to a minimum, and the individual recovers his full liberty of initiative and action for satisfying, by means of free groups and federations--freely constituted--all the infinitely varied needs of the human being.

     As regards socialism, most of the anarchists arrive at its ultimate conclusion, that is, at a complete negation of the wage-system and at communism. And with reference to political organization, by giving a further development to the above-mentioned part of the radical program, they arrive at the conclusion that the ultimate aim of society is the reduction of the functions of government to nil--that is, to a society without government, to anarchy. The anarchists maintain, moreover, that such being the ideal of social and political organization, they must not remit it to future centuries. but that only those changes in our social organization which are in accordance with the above double ideal, and constitute an approach to it, will have a chance of life and be beneficial for the commonwealth.

. . .
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username18444
on 22/11/2014, 02:44:39 UTC
Imperial Bureau of Rumination (IBR)’s web forum is now accepting registrations.


(Notice: the links above require a Tor connection.)
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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
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username18444
on 22/11/2014, 01:47:03 UTC
Kimosabe, get a clue of how the world really works.

The internet (i.e. the free market which is why you have it today) is the only free press remaining in the USA.

You are an young idealistic liberal idiot with a functioning vocabulary and extremely discombobulated illogic (you put the cart before the horse w.r.t. internet and free media) because your political religion does not allow you to understand the logic of the asymmetric power of political capture and why collectives always fail in a heap of vested interests corruption. The ONLY way to avoid that is do not form collectives and enable the free market to prosper.

Hey what happened to your threat to put me on ignore?  Roll Eyes


Quote from: Peter Kropotkin, Kropotkin's Revolutionary Pamphlets link=http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/revpamphlets/anarchistcommunism.html
ANARCHIST COMMUNISM: ITS BASIS AND PRINCIPLES


I

     Anarchism, the no-government system of socialism, has a double origin. It is an outgrowth of the two great movements of thought in the economic and the political fields which characterize the nineteenth century, and especially its second part. In common with all socialists, the anarchists hold that the private ownership of land, capital, and machinery has had its time; that it is condemned to disappear; and that all requisites for production must, and will, become the common property of society, and be managed in common by the producers of wealth. And in common with the most advanced representatives of political radicalism, they maintain that the ideal of the political organization of society is a condition of things where the functions of government are reduced to a minimum, and the individual recovers his full liberty of initiative and action for satisfying, by means of free groups and federations--freely constituted--all the infinitely varied needs of the human being.

     As regards socialism, most of the anarchists arrive at its ultimate conclusion, that is, at a complete negation of the wage-system and at communism. And with reference to political organization, by giving a further development to the above-mentioned part of the radical program, they arrive at the conclusion that the ultimate aim of society is the reduction of the functions of government to nil--that is, to a society without government, to anarchy. The anarchists maintain, moreover, that such being the ideal of social and political organization, they must not remit it to future centuries. but that only those changes in our social organization which are in accordance with the above double ideal, and constitute an approach to it, will have a chance of life and be beneficial for the commonwealth.

. . .
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Re: The Negative Consequences of Net Neutrality Explained in 2 Minutes
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username18444
on 21/11/2014, 01:13:34 UTC
Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222
…the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens…

OBAMA-NET!!!


Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy
democracy
1  b :  a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plutocracy
plutocracy
1  :  government by the wealthy

You write as if plutocracy were republican democracy.

You write as if lobbyists paid very well for influencing politicians' votes do not exist...

Comcast loves 0bama's plan. Does that mean the people voted for Comcast?

More control from government will not make things easier for creatives minds now, especially the ones with ideas but no money. This has been proven over and over again.

. . .

You write as if plutocracy were republican democracy.

Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222
The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens… Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere.
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Re: The Negative Consequences of Net Neutrality Explained in 2 Minutes
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username18444
on 20/11/2014, 23:24:08 UTC
Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy
democracy
1  b :  a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plutocracy
plutocracy
1  :  government by the wealthy

You write as if plutocracy were republican democracy.

Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222
The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens… Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere.
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Re: The Negative Consequences of Net Neutrality Explained in 2 Minutes
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username18444
on 20/11/2014, 22:46:17 UTC
Quote from: Peter Kropotkin, Kropotkin's Revolutionary Pamphlets link=http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/revpamphlets/anarchistcommunism.html
Anarchism, the no-government system of socialism, has a double origin.

I can't understand how a bunch people who can tell and force everyone else how they should behave, sleep and drink be compatible with a bunch of people not wanting any master and live as they see fit while not wanting to arm anyone else? I am guessing I am not smart enough to understand this great concept and need to read tons and tons of books... Roll Eyes


Right, so we have the internet and it is not perfect. Still that framework was good enough to create facebook, google, netflix, but also ANONYMOUS and Bitcoin and TOR, etc, etc.

How changing this framework back to laws thought and created in the 1930's make this amazing technology better for the 21th century and beyond? The internet will be a utility only in the USA, but not in South Korea or Guatemala or Canada?


It shows how far we have sunk. Now people just react based on politics without a clue as to what they are talking about. "oh, he's for it? Them I'm against it!". Roll Eyes

Oh god, you just perfectly summed up the two-party system. Why do you see so many negative attack ads? Because in a two-party system, it's easier to convince you not to vote for someone than it is to vote for someone. So you convince them to vote against your opponent, and you're the only other choice.

It's sort of amusing to me when people say Democracy when its really communism with one other party ^^
Essentially its either A or B so fundamentally it doesn't seem like much of a democracy to me just who you pay more money to in order to get the outcome you want.

Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy
democracy
1  b :  a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plutocracy
plutocracy
1  :  government by the wealthy

You write as if plutocracy were republican democracy.

You write as if lobbyists paid very well for influencing politicians' votes do not exist...

Comcast loves 0bama's plan. Does that mean the people voted for Comcast?

More control from government will not make things easier for creatives minds now, especially the ones with ideas but no money. This has been proven over and over again.

. . .

You write as if plutocracy were republican democracy.

. . .

Readers should read the logic in the prior two threads on this "net neutrality" debate:

Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility

Obama's Net Neutrality Statement: What it Really Means

Logic does not matter. Some here are willing to fight for their belief that a more powerful centralized power is good for humans, on a forum dedicated to an amazing fully working decentralized creation...

I will never get that.

Regarding this, it should be noted that I presently hold to anarchist communism and am merely pursuing your own logical consistency.

Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222
The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens… Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere.
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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
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username18444
on 20/11/2014, 11:21:44 UTC
user[name]18444, we no longer live in a resource scarcity paradigm (its only the peaking socialism, misallocation of resources with $227 trillion global debt that gives the illusion of resource scarcity) rather now in a knowledge paradigm. Wealth of knowledge is not uniformly distributed.

user[name]18444, we no longer live in a resource scarcity paradigm (its only the peaking socialism, misallocation of resources with $227 trillion global debt that gives the illusion of resource scarcity) rather now in a knowledge paradigm. Wealth of knowledge is not uniformly distributed.

I agree with your assessment, but I think the reason you don't see strong state socialism in a strong democracy is that the state is too corrupted in such a situation. Those with power are seldom (if ever) in the same boat with the people they make the rules for, but with state socialism this disparity is even less tolerable since the the point of the system is to share the means of production much more equitably than ever happens.

I sort of agree. If you look at the Soviet Union for example, it was pretty far from what a socialist society is supposed to be. Workers had no control over means of production, or much of anything else really. It was more of a totalitarian state. But you have to remember there are several ways to achieve socialism, not just through state socialism. Libertarian socialism for example, specifically rejects the idea of using existing state structures to achieve socialism, tries to avoid large concentrations of power, and instead focuses on more direct forms of democracy.

Democracy IS a large concentration of power. Democracy is where the 51% or more rule over the 49% or less. At least they think that they do. What happens is that there is a small group that promotes a so-called democracy vote in such a way that benefits the small group over everyone else.

Formal - big "L" - Libertarianism might promote anything. But TRUE libertarianism - small "l" - promotes the simple common law of the people. This common law is, "Complete freedom as long as you harm no-one or damage his property." The only exception is that there may be completely voluntary associations formed, and inside those associations there may be some form of " association government" that is not entirely libertarian, but it is always voluntary.

Smiley

Romanticism about "harm" and "property" will not surmount those ills most often attributed thereto: there is no harm without tyranny, and only a despot may retain property.

It seems that most people have a difficult time in finding the basic, bottom-line ideas surrounding much of anything. The libertarian idea which is, bottom-line, the golden rule, is only the basis. It is the goal that should be looked at in all kinds of operations, personal or governmental. In complex situations, there will be complex governmental operations. The libertarian goal should remain the thing strived for.

Smiley

For these, then, your “golden rule” is my “tyranny,” and your “libertarian” is my “despot.”
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Re: The Negative Consequences of Net Neutrality Explained in 2 Minutes
by
username18444
on 20/11/2014, 11:15:24 UTC
user[name]18444, we no longer live in a resource scarcity paradigm (its only the peaking socialism, misallocation of resources with $227 trillion global debt that gives the illusion of resource scarcity) rather now in a knowledge paradigm. Wealth of knowledge is not uniformly distributed.

I agree with your assessment, but I think the reason you don't see strong state socialism in a strong democracy is that the state is too corrupted in such a situation. Those with power are seldom (if ever) in the same boat with the people they make the rules for, but with state socialism this disparity is even less tolerable since the the point of the system is to share the means of production much more equitably than ever happens.

I sort of agree. If you look at the Soviet Union for example, it was pretty far from what a socialist society is supposed to be. Workers had no control over means of production, or much of anything else really. It was more of a totalitarian state. But you have to remember there are several ways to achieve socialism, not just through state socialism. Libertarian socialism for example, specifically rejects the idea of using existing state structures to achieve socialism, tries to avoid large concentrations of power, and instead focuses on more direct forms of democracy.

Democracy IS a large concentration of power. Democracy is where the 51% or more rule over the 49% or less. At least they think that they do. What happens is that there is a small group that promotes a so-called democracy vote in such a way that benefits the small group over everyone else.

Formal - big "L" - Libertarianism might promote anything. But TRUE libertarianism - small "l" - promotes the simple common law of the people. This common law is, "Complete freedom as long as you harm no-one or damage his property." The only exception is that there may be completely voluntary associations formed, and inside those associations there may be some form of " association government" that is not entirely libertarian, but it is always voluntary.

Smiley

Romanticism about "harm" and "property" will not surmount those ills most often attributed thereto: there is no harm without tyranny, and only a despot may retain property.

It seems that most people have a difficult time in finding the basic, bottom-line ideas surrounding much of anything. The libertarian idea which is, bottom-line, the golden rule, is only the basis. It is the goal that should be looked at in all kinds of operations, personal or governmental. In complex situations, there will be complex governmental operations. The libertarian goal should remain the thing strived for.

Smiley

For these, then, your “golden rule” is my “tyranny,” and your “libertarian” is my “despot.”
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Re: Obstruction of An Imperial Agent
by
username18444
on 20/11/2014, 02:57:12 UTC
You delete your bumps and repost them every 10-20 minutes, and have been for some time now.

Ban evasion isn't going to help you.

Have you willfully obstructed an imperial agent?