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Re: [ANN] Spectre [XSPEC] MANDATORY UPDATE TO V1.1 NOW !!!!
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y_0
on 27/01/2017, 18:24:02 UTC
As I said, I had no idea that EC existed. This is not a thread for EC and so point taken and now I know that EC exists and I will refrain from claiming Tor first. I think it's been settled then.

Yes I think the point has been made.

Anyway, thanks y_0 for pointing out! Nobody here knew that EC even existed. If you find any further wrong statements, feel free to come to Slack and tell us what is wrong.  Smiley I'm sure Spectre devs are not trying to trick anyone, so when there are wrong statements, it means that there is a mistake that needs to be corrected! It's always a good idea to keep everything as correct as possible.

Thanks!  Glad that you could be amicable in me pointing out incorrect statements (that you were unaware of). 

If I see any other mistakes, I will be sure to join your slack and let you know there.
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Re: [ANN] Spectre [XSPEC] MANDATORY UPDATE TO V1.1 NOW !!!!
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y_0
on 27/01/2017, 18:13:51 UTC
As I said, I had no idea that EC existed. This is not a thread for EC and so point taken and now I know that EC exists and I will refrain from claiming Tor first. I think it's been settled then.

Fair enough.  No qualms on that.


Ok, y_0. I'm not trying to be rude or unfair. What is your point? What do you want to accomplish? Why do you come here to this thread, which is about Spectre, and talk about Eclipse Crypto?

Do you want to point out that Eclipse Crypto exists and also has Tor? Ok, got it. Everyone got it. There are a lot of coins. If you like EC more than XSPEC, fine! I like Spectre more. But please stop bothering us here because this is starting to get annoying.
I've done nothing more but speak the truth in as civil manner as is possible.

Well, not the whole truth, the EC dev left his community high and dry and never fulfilled his obligation.
You want to talk about "misled" and "lies"

Leaving this guy....the last poor bastard that posted on their thread. out his one Bitcoin.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1378922.msg15003206#msg15003206
Not to mention others.

Its one thing to dream up all the features maybe even get a few working......but to follow through...well we'll just leave it at that. Spectrecoin works, EC is dust in the wind.


In the interest of fairness I have made a few minor updates to the OP and the website and I say that we are the only crypto w/ anon tx and Tor that is being actively developed and traded. I don't think I ever said first, I couldn't find that anywhere. This is based on evidence. We have proved that we are actively developing this crypto and I have not seen any evidence that any other crypto with the same features are being actively developed or traded. Hundreds, maybe thousands of cryptos exists that are not being developed or traded and has for whatever reason faded from view. It is impossible to research every single crypto out there.

XSPEC is here to stay and we will develop our privacy technology and obviously welcome open source collaboration and exchange of ideas and as we look to others, others may look to us. This only strengthens the progress of cryptocurrencies and we should not be in opposition but rather learn from each other.

My apologies for stating that you said you were the first and not the only.  Only implies first, in a way.  Regardless, at least that portion of the matter is settled.

I agree that it would be impossible to research EVERY single coin out there; however, it is but a simple matter to search ring signatures on the altcoin announcements of bitcointalk and conduct your own due diligence.  There's only 4 pages of threads, less with actual coins, and you'll find it on there.

Anyway, your claim that Eclipse Crypto is not being actively developed is only based on the evidence that is made available to you.  That's not to say that your claim is true.  I hope you are as amicable in the future when an update appears, and you retract the not actively developed statement.

Also, EC is still actively traded on C-Cex.  That much you can still verify yourself, so, in the interest of fairness when it comes to your marketing materials, you should (as of now) only have the statement that it is "only actively developed (to the best of your knowledge)".
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Re: [ANN] Spectre [XSPEC] MANDATORY UPDATE TO V1.1 NOW !!!!
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y_0
on 27/01/2017, 18:03:52 UTC
Ok, y_0. I'm not trying to be rude or unfair. What is your point? What do you want to accomplish? Why do you come here to this thread, which is about Spectre, and talk about Eclipse Crypto?

Do you want to point out that Eclipse Crypto exists and also has Tor? Ok, got it. Everyone got it. There are a lot of coins. If you like EC more than XSPEC, fine! I like Spectre more. But please stop bothering us here because this is starting to get annoying.
I've done nothing more but speak the truth in as civil manner as is possible.

Well, not the whole truth, the EC dev left his community high and dry and never fulfilled his obligation.
You want to talk about "misled" and "lies"

Leaving this guy....the last poor bastard that posted on their thread. out his one Bitcoin.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1378922.msg15003206#msg15003206
Not to mention others.

Its one thing to dream up all the features maybe even get a few working......but to follow through...well we'll just leave it at that. Spectrecoin works, EC is dust in the wind.


If you read his post, he says he lost BTC, not 1 BTC.  Please make accurate statements.

Anyway, you have no idea the EC devs left or didn't leave or what's happening.  Many legitimate developers have day jobs and families and develop cryptotokens on the side. Just because the devs haven't posted with the Eclipse Crypto account for a long time does not mean that the coin is dead or that there is no development or that the developers left.  To make such a claim is based on incomplete knowledge.  I'm not faulting you for not having all the information, but the manner in which you misrepresent other's words is not accurate.
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Re: [ANN] Spectre [XSPEC] MANDATORY UPDATE TO V1.1 NOW !!!!
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y_0
on 27/01/2017, 16:14:17 UTC
Ok, y_0. I'm not trying to be rude or unfair. What is your point? What do you want to accomplish? Why do you come here to this thread, which is about Spectre, and talk about Eclipse Crypto?

Do you want to point out that Eclipse Crypto exists and also has Tor? Ok, got it. Everyone got it. There are a lot of coins. If you like EC more than XSPEC, fine! I like Spectre more. But please stop bothering us here because this is starting to get annoying.

The point was to stop any and all false claims that are made in regards to cryptotokens with ring signatures.  The most obvious incorrect statement being that XSPEC was not the first to integrate TOR with RS + Stealth Addresses, but rather that Eclipse Crypto did it quite a few months back.

XSPEC is misleading people into thinking that they were the first to implement all the anonymity features in their token with their marketing. 

I don't like people being misled by those making incorrect statements (even if those  making said statements don't know they are incorrect).

All I wanted to do is point out basic flaws in XSPEC's claims and provide historical background information on RS tokens based on bitcoin core regarding both the first usage of TOR and the first implementation of certain cryptographic schemes necessary for RS to work (with proof and links that anyone can follow).

I've done nothing more but speak the truth in as civil manner as is possible.
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Re: [ANN] Spectre [XSPEC] MANDATORY UPDATE TO V1.1 NOW !!!!
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y_0
on 27/01/2017, 15:29:08 UTC
Lol many newbie accounts here pointing out that "Eclipse Crypto" was the first to integrate Tor, and accordingly, XSPEC is the second. Alright! You are right, XSPEC is not the first. So what? Watcha gonna do? ~ Grin~

Spectre is the only one that has it, and that is actively developed.

I agree.  Move on.  How about making some contribution and make it better instead of attack/reminiscing on something that has no value in the past.

Right now, it's XSPEC (and I like the name by the way) is the new coin that has Stealth Address, Ring Signature, and Zero Knowledge Proof... yes, same like Monero, SDC, but better than DASH or ZCASH (it does not have Ring Sig.).  But none of the others that's listed in coinmarketcap.com has TOR built in natively with combining features from Monero, SDC, DASH, ZCASH.  XSPEC has TOR integration.  And I love it.  It has more features..TOR. TOR is privacy. 
Coinmarketcap is what people care about okay.



EC is also on CMC.  And since it's been pointed out previously that TOR was integrated into the codebase, we see yet another untrue statement.

How is making factual statements an attack, again?  Such an attempt is a diversion tactic to mislead people.

No reminiscing is happening; rather, what you observe is someone pointing out blatant lies (to anyone who bothers to do some research) and setting the record straight.

An empire built on lies can only last so long before the truth makes it rot from the inside.
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Re: [ANN] Spectre [XSPEC] MANDATORY UPDATE TO V1.1 NOW !!!!
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y_0
on 27/01/2017, 15:20:56 UTC
Lol many newbie accounts here pointing out that "Eclipse Crypto" was the first to integrate Tor, and accordingly, XSPEC is the second. Alright! You are right, XSPEC is not the first. So what? Watcha gonna do? ~ Grin~

Spectre is the only one that has it, and that is actively developed.

Silence is not indicative of no development.  Yet another false claim is made with no substantive proof.  Kindly please stop making inaccurate statements.
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Re: [ANN] Spectre [XSPEC] MANDATORY UPDATE TO V1.1 NOW !!!!
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y_0
on 27/01/2017, 02:28:47 UTC
You can't stop rumor but sometimes the truth must make a firm stand.
This tells it all. If you disagree, prove me wrong Cheesy
http://i65.tinypic.com/1zwgkdk.png
You are incorrect in certain claims with respect to being the first token that integrates TOR and ring signatures.  Yes, indeed it is the most anonymous, but all these features were done by a different token first.  Don't believe me?

I invite you to read the thread proving this claim ... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1378922.0

Not to mention that their dev team managed to fix the Shadow devs flaw in their algorithm for generating a Key Image that is necessary in a ring signature scheme after it was proven to be de-anonymized by Shen Noether ...

The proposed fix by Shadow was even shown to the Shadow Team by one of the Eclipse Devs to be a singular point of weakness that could pose security flaws if / when ECDLP is breakable.

After the Eclipse Crypto team launched their coin and were polite enough to point out the weakness of Shadow's proposed method on their thread (the post and solution was subsequently deleted, but put up on the Eclipse thread for future posterity), a few days later, the Shadow Team incorporated the solution implemented by the Eclipse Crypto team.

In fact, XSPEC uses the same methodology of the Try-And-Increment method in their code, too (albeit, in a different way, as XSPEC's code uses EC_POINT_set_compressed_coordinates_GFp instead of testing if x^3 + 7 is a quadratic residue using secp256k1_ge_set_xquad_var as Eclipse Crypto does).  

But the idea remains the same. Some value 'x' is tested to see if the corresponding (x,y) is a point on the elliptic curve. In the case of secp256k1, that is to say, a test is done whether y^2 = x^3 + 7 modulo p, with p being the characteristic of the field, is satisified (meaning both sides are equal when you plug in). If it's not, increase x by 1 and try again.  Although, Eclipse Crypto currently does an increase by triangular numbers (that is, the increment on the j'th iteration is j instead of 1), although this doesn't affect the validity of their modified implementation of Try-And-Increment.

Silence from the Eclipse Crypto devs, but the token is coming up on their one year anniversary in one month.  Might be something coming up soon Wink.  

Who am I to say?
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Re: [ANN] [EC] ▲ Eclipse ▲ First Cryptographically Anon Based on BTC ▲ Mine Now!
by
y_0
on 02/03/2016, 23:25:42 UTC
Why are you guys spamming the SDC thread and Slack?

I don't see any spamming in the thread... I posted the 'fix' to SDCs anonymity bug because it concerns SDC, does it not?
What I posted is very relevant to SDC. It's not like I was talking about rainbows and butterflies.

SDC looks to be converging on a reasonable fix, but not a recommended one.

Originally, they took the scalar hash then multiplied it by the private key and then used it for the scalar multiple of the group generator (two different types of "multiply" here but I didn't invent this convention). Math looks like

I = H(K_i)xG

That was the very wrong way.

Now they take an arbitrary point on the curve by hashing the time stamp, trying to map it to a point, then using that point as a generator. This takes advantage of the fact that all curve points on a prime field can be full generators. The new generator is G*

I = H(K_i)xG*

There is a relationship between G and G*, namely one is a multiple of the of the other:

G = aG*

But in this case G* is "unknown log", so G is protected by discrete log hardness.

In general, however, it is not good to try to use a generator to hash scalars to a curve. They already learned this lesson once.


The fact that $G$ = $aG^*$ is but a little lemma whose proof that I found in the margins of my notebook.

I will use the additive notation, since this is what is used for Elliptic Curves, but it's just a convention.  Multiplicative notation is just as fine.

Lemma *:  Let $K$ be a cyclic group of order $n$.  Let $G$ be a generator of $K$, i.e. $