10nm.  

   The first thing is most customers do not know the right questions to ask a mining company to ferret out if they are bullshit or not. So, I encourage everyone to ask the right questions about chips, fabrication,  etc.  If the guy doesnt know what he is talking about it will be clear right away.  

Speculations:  In the beginning a bunch of folks were saying it was a 16nm chip.  And some speculated that it was just
and overclocked S9. Hmm, dunno. The problem with it being a  16nm  chip from a new company is that TSMC would not give a new customer any wafer capicity.

How about  TSMC  10nm?  Well if they answer TSMC  10nm,  then that   fuels another speculation that buzzed around on twitter
that Halong  is  just a Bitmain  subsidary  and  it's Bitmain's method for selling chips. It also helps them clean up their
act  and  diffuse concerns about the concentration in mining. Information vacuums  are never good as they fuel speculation.


Maybe TSMC 12?  performance is somewhat consistent with that.
 
Intel?   Nope.  


Samsung 10nm.   From a performance and shipping standpoint samsung 10nm makes sense because  there is an apparent  yeild issue ( there always is )  and because there is  what looks to be a voltage leak problem which could lead to excessive power consumption. You'll get chips that run at  sub  .09J/GH  and  devices that run above this.  If you can just run the thing through a variety of frequencies and see what happens to the power consumption that will be  a good clue. Maybe they can tweak the  the process to reduce the portion of chips that might have this issue.  Ideally,  they would do  different SKUs,  those that run between 15 and 16 and those that run faster. Hard to do unless you have big volume. In any case  if it is samsung 10nm, then the best thing to do is just to address the performace variations and explain what you are doing to reduce/improve the situation. If they are tweaking the process to run at a fast corner (for example), just tell folks. We are tweaking the process.
If you build chips  it is what you do.

In the end someone somewhere will decap  chip or take it to their dentist for an xray and post the dimensions. I should
do a bounty on that.  If you know the dimensions of the bare die that will tell alot. Has anyone decaped a Bitmain chip?

Finally, the other thing is some guys  use  chip specs  to derive machine specs.  That means you might spec  16TH .07  from
the  single chip performance  ( averages of lots) but when you actually build a machine  its  15-16TH  and  .1  at the wall.
what we do is a little different.  We spec machines  after they are built and tested. So  13TH,  actually means a tested
MINIMUM  13, and empirically  75% of the machines  run at 13.5 or higher.   Ideally there would be some kind of standard
benchmarking  but I dont think the industry is ready for that.

Anyway,  more information from everyone, open information from everyone is always a good thing.

Yeah, god knows I tried with them but they were not interested selling a miner for me to review.
This was back in January or so.

Exactly, I think anything between 5-10k units too. If they release 10k it would be the exact same situation as with Bitmain's A3 - a few days of $100-200/day if you're one of the first and then gradually settle at $40/day. But the other interesting factor is what will Bitmain's reaction be - there is no way they aren't working on a Decred ASIC too, so I'd expect them to react immediately and release something in the next couple of weeks, even if it's a smaller count than originally planned.

In the end the big loser is of course Obelisk, which got absolutely crushed between these two giants (Halong is still a giant only on paper though).

Max. order is 68000 apparently. Not sure if it is actually the current batch numbers or even a valid quantity. Still, that's amounts to a whole lotta wampum.

I received almost 22k Sia Coins within first 24 hours... diffiuclty level is adjusting and quickly as more countries round world join the mining of SC