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Re: Mixer lobby! Why are you still here?
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Excimer
on 04/03/2025, 14:55:44 UTC
It was trashcanned. It looks like a covert advert to me. The image in the op links to their Announcement on altcointalk. I've asked an admin to review it but I don't think it should be here as per the current rules on mixers but theymos ill have to ultimately decide.
Given that the whole thing is on the altcoinstaks forum mater, it's a little unclear why the contract was posted on this forum, also in the service section.
Probably a sneaky way to try advertise it here  Grin.
Please let me know who tried to advertise mixers here. Tell me this nickname.

Mixer advertising is prohibited by the rules. I want to report it to admin.
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Re: Mixer lobby! Why are you still here?
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Excimer
on 29/01/2025, 08:14:23 UTC
Another mixer lobbyist detected

I hope this doesn't get me in trouble, I am just curious about this is all, now that Trump is taking over as the first crypto president today and the SEC chairman is out of the picture don't you think allowing mixers back on the forum is not a bad idea now?

Before you scold me for bringing this up, a popular privacy coin was scrutiny-free some days back making it surge in value, now privacy projects can finally breath free.

I hope to get a feed back on this.
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Re: Mixer's lobby! Why are you still here?
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tainted_love
on 25/01/2025, 13:46:21 UTC
I think mixers are bad. And admin did the right thing by banning mixers.

No one gives a shit what FEDs think.

The mixer market is criminals doing bad things and justifying mixers with privacy.

According the governments trying to regulate them?  Those same governments operated by the biggest drug traffickers and human traffickers, and pedophiles the world has known?  And you trust their claims?  They are just trying to squash their competition, and prevent resistance organizations from obfuscating their funding.  Use your brain.


Like privacy - use Monero, not mixers

That's the only common sense thing you've said in this whole thread.  Decentralized privacy coins are the only way to truly make yourself anonymous.  Using any centralized mixer is a risk, as you never know who's running them, what data they're collecting, and what they do with their logs.
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Re: Mixer lobby! Why are you still here?
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BenCodie
on 25/01/2025, 13:24:25 UTC

I'd hold onto your horses for now:

This just came in:

Texas District Court reverses Tornado Cash sanctions: https://cointelegraph.com/news/us-texas-court-reverses-tornado-cash-sanctions-crypto-privacy-win



This could be precedent/catalyst for a relaxed policy on privacy-preserving services like mixers. However, I just hope that my response to the meta thread is considered if the forum re-allows them...

...as I believe the bigger problem is the scamming, and the nefarious activities that mixers conduct outside of any irresponsible usage from some of their "less legitimate" users.

Tornado Cash is decentralized so it is quite different from custodial mixers. A protocol and its developers should not be held responsible for how people use their code. It was clear that OFAC overstepped its authority. I don’t really have much hope that the government will become friendlier towards privacy.
 
If mixers became more decentralized and had less risk of scamming there would not be a problem with allowing them on the forum. Ginger Wallet is currently running a signature campaign and Wasabi Wallet was also allowed to run a campaign after the mixer ban.

Yes, though I do think that the ruling creates rightful grounds for bitcointalk to keep custodial mixers banned while allowing non-custodial mixers (like Tornado) to be discussed and built within the community...as now that even government differentiates the two, why should decentralized technology be banned from this forum and treated the same way as a custodial/centralized technology? The reason I told Excimer to hold their horses is because theymos may eventually see that logic (or, for whatever reason, re-enable mixers due to a perceived relaxation on both centralized/decentralized mixers, I personally hope this isn't the case though as I believe custodial mixers do more harm than good).
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Re: Mixer lobby! Why are you still here?
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DiMarxist
on 24/01/2025, 20:02:00 UTC
Most of the users in the forum don't really know the drama behind the ban of mixer and the only thing they know is mixers were used for money laundry and for that it is a crime and it was ban here and others. But I think it is not only that part of the story that brought down the banning of the mixers. And we don't know how the structura arrangement between the Law Enforcement Agencies and The President. If the Executive Order was used to pardon some criminal elements in US by the newly elected and sworn in President (Donald Trump) then, the Order can also be used to bring back mixers to the crypto world.
And if mixers are still active in the Altcointalks Forum then it is not banned entirely in the crypto community but only in the bitcointalk forum and it community. So people can still use it legally in the other forum (s).
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Re: Mixer lobby! Why are you still here?
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FinneysTrueVision
on 22/01/2025, 23:56:30 UTC
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I'd hold onto your horses for now:

This just came in:

Texas District Court reverses Tornado Cash sanctions: https://cointelegraph.com/news/us-texas-court-reverses-tornado-cash-sanctions-crypto-privacy-win



This could be precedent/catalyst for a relaxed policy on privacy-preserving services like mixers. However, I just hope that my response to the meta thread is considered if the forum re-allows them...

...as I believe the bigger problem is the scamming, and the nefarious activities that mixers conduct outside of any irresponsible usage from some of their "less legitimate" users.

Tornado Cash is decentralized so it is quite different from a custodial mixer. A protocol and its developers should not be held responsible for how people use their code. It was clear that OFAC overstepped its authority. I don’t really have much hope that the government will become friendlier towards privacy.
 
If mixers became more decentralized and had less risk of scamming there would not be a problem with allowing them on the forum. Ginger Wallet is currently running a signature campaign and Wasabi Wallet was also allowed to run a campaign after the mixer ban.
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Re: Mixer lobby! Why are you still here?
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BenCodie
on 22/01/2025, 11:14:54 UTC
theymos, thread "Second chance for mixers?" should be locked



Thread "Second chance for mixers?" is a nonsensical flood. OP got all the answers at 13 january 2025.

Trump's inauguration is long gone. Trump signed many decrees. Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies were not listed anywhere among them. I don't see any concessions for cryptocurrencies, and even more so for some dodgy mixers


It would be better to ban the word "mixer" here altogether to improve the health of the forum.

I'd hold onto your horses for now:

This just came in:

Texas District Court reverses Tornado Cash sanctions: https://cointelegraph.com/news/us-texas-court-reverses-tornado-cash-sanctions-crypto-privacy-win



This could be precedent/catalyst for a relaxed policy on privacy-preserving services like mixers. However, I just hope that my response to the meta thread is considered if the forum re-allows them...

If this forum does allow mixers again then a problem needs to be addressed:

How do we stop mixers coming to the forum, running large budget signature campaigns and running off with the loot when the reserve becomes large enough?

I don't think the forum should allow mixers until there is some form of policy on how these mixers work. We need decentralized solutions, not centralized ones, if the forum wants to succeed with mixers and if users are to be safe. Bitcoin has evolved a lot since the ban, creating decentralized mixers can work, so I would hope that the community rally together to build a decentralized framework in comparison to relying on anonymous individuals who abuse the forum and its people.

...as I believe the bigger problem is the scamming, and the nefarious activities that mixers conduct outside of any irresponsible usage from some of their less-legitimate users.
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Re: Mixer lobby! Why are you still here?
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Excimer
on 22/01/2025, 09:07:57 UTC
theymos, thread "Second chance for mixers?" should be locked

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Re: Mixer lobby! Why are you still here?
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Excimer
on 21/01/2025, 14:42:31 UTC
It seems that these mixer-lobbyists they don't even intend to close their topic, even despite the final answer of theimos



Well, that settles it. The OP got his answer  Grin

For the mixer policy to be reversed, the legal environment would have to improve a lot. I think that one of these would have to happen:
 - Some mixers win their court cases.
 - Congress passes laws which explicitly protect mixers.
 - The administration ends up being extremely pro-privacy, better than 99% of politicians in office.
Agreed

Well, that settles it. The OP got his answer  Grin
Case, dismissed!

OP, you may want to lock this thread.
Agreed
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Re: Mixer lobby! Why are you still here?
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Excimer
on 14/01/2025, 07:44:56 UTC
Dear Mixer Lobby. This is an offcial answer from theymos

For the mixer policy to be reversed, the legal environment would have to improve a lot. I think that one of these would have to happen:
 - Some mixers win their court cases.
 - Congress passes laws which explicitly protect mixers.
 - The administration ends up being extremely pro-privacy, better than 99% of politicians in office.
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Re: Mixer lobby! Why are you still here?
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Excimer
on 12/01/2025, 13:05:12 UTC
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Re: Mixer's lobby! Why are you still here?
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Excimer
on 10/01/2025, 06:24:18 UTC
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I think mixers are bad. And the admin did the right thing by banning mixers.
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Re: Казахстан - за свободу! против войны!
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Snork1979
on 11/06/2023, 04:15:12 UTC
Президент Казахстана публично наплевал на Путина.
Токаев - молодец! Отлично продолжает играть свою роль!

Казахстан уже не с Россией
Вот-вот. И кто же после этого посмеет обвинять Казахстан в том, что он поддерживает Россию? Grin

И поэтому:
А реально - только благодаря Казахстану в РФ уж второй год нет никаких проблем в магазинах с новейшими процессорами, видюхами, серверами, ноутбуками, айфонами последних серий и прочими приятными и привычными ништяками Grin
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Re: Казахстан - за свободу! против войны!
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Excimer
on 11/06/2023, 04:00:03 UTC
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Re: Казахстан - за свободу! против войны!
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Excimer
on 28/05/2023, 09:15:55 UTC
Главное, что Казахстан разрешает им это делать. Свободно и безо всяких "санкций".
Пхехехе. Дык скоро лазейку закроют. И США это заметили

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В США заметили скачок объемов ввоза товаров в Казахстан

К примеру, 3 мая парламентская фракция партии "Ак жол" (Светлый путь. - Ред.) направила в адрес правительства Казахстана официальный запрос с просьбой выявить и назвать казахстанские компании, которые могут быть замешаны в обходе антироссийских мер. "У международных партнеров вызывают сомнения резко возросшие в 22 раза объемы экспорта электроники из Казахстана в Россию, что они связывают с практикой скрытого реэкспорта подсанкционной продукции из третьих стран через схемы так называемого "параллельного импорта" и ложного транзита, когда товар из Европы даже не доезжает до нашей страны, так как на полпути "перепродается" конечным заказчикам в лице российских компаний", - отмечается, в частности, в запросе депутатов Мажилиса (нижней палаты парламента Казахстана. - Ред.)  от партии "Ак жол".

Поводом для появления обращения на имя премьер-министра Казахстана Алихана Смаилова стали итоги визита в страны Центральной Азии представительной американо-британской делегации во главе с помощником министра финансов США по борьбе с финансированием терроризма и финансовыми преступлениями Элизабет Розенберг и помощником министра торговли США Мэттью Аксерольдом.

На пресс-конференции, которая состоялась в Астане 25 апреля сразу после завершения переговоров с членами казахстанского правительства, Розенберг и Аксерольд сообщили, что дали понять властям РК и других стран Центральной Азии о вероятности введения вторичных санкций за нарушения экспортного контроля и законодательства США. "Мы сегодня говорим не об iPhone, не о стиральных машинах, мы говорим о конкретных элементах компьютерной техники, которая применяется для обеспечения энергоснабжения и навигации ракет и дронов, используемых российской военной машиной для убийства гражданских и военных на территории Украины. Мы заметили резкий скачок поставок некоторых товаров на территорию Республики Казахстан с момента начала войны", - заметил в Астане Аксерольд.
https://www.dw.com/ru/kazahstan-lazejki-dla-eksporta-sankcionki-v-rossiu-ne-iscezli/a-65604350
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Re: Казахстан - за свободу! против войны!
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Snork1979
on 28/05/2023, 07:51:35 UTC
Дык это сами же россияне-коммерсы оптом делают закупы в Казахстане и перенаправляют товары в Рашку.
Ну ясен пень, что русские, а не хохло-коммерсы этим занимаются! Grin
Главное, что Казахстан разрешает им это делать. А уж что там и кто "думает" - ваще всем совершенно пох Wink
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Re: Казахстан - за свободу! против войны!
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Excimer
on 28/05/2023, 06:05:51 UTC
А реально - только благодаря Казахстану в РФ уж второй год нет никаких проблем в магазинах с новейшими процессорами, видюхами, серверами, ноутбуками, айфонами последних серий и прочими приятными и привычными ништяками Grin
Только благодаря Казахстану я за последние месяцы и айфон себе обновил до последнего, и системних свой до Core 13-ой серии обновил Wink
Дык это сами же россияне-коммерсы оптом делают закупы в Казахстане и перенаправляют товары в Рашку.

Ты посмотри что народ Кахахстана реально думает обо всей этой "Зэд"-хуйне

СИМВОЛИКУ "ЗЭД" - УБЕРИ НАХУЙ

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PUCz_UGE7XE
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Re: Казахстан - за свободу! против войны!
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Snork1979
on 27/05/2023, 18:20:48 UTC
Президент Казахстана выдал базу. На Евразийском экономическом форуме пристыдил путина
Молодец чувак! Отлично и правильно играет свою роль!
Публично он - полностью "заукроину" и не боится жестко пиздить Путина прямо ему в лицо. Даже находясь в РФ (только на словах, конечно Wink
А реально - только благодаря Казахстану в РФ уж второй год нет никаких проблем в магазинах с новейшими процессорами, видюхами, серверами, ноутбуками, айфонами последних серий и прочими приятными и привычными ништяками Grin
Только благодаря Казахстану я за последние месяцы и айфон себе обновил до последнего, и системних свой до Core 13-ой серии обновил Wink
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Re: Казахстан - за свободу! против войны!
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Excimer
on 27/05/2023, 14:41:11 UTC
Президент Казахстана выдал базу. На Евразийском экономическом форуме пристыдил путина



https://youtu.be/jGMjvMMEWVc
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Re: Казахстан - за свободу! против войны!
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Excimer
on 23/05/2023, 07:29:45 UTC
“Деколонизация мышления”. Как новое поколение Казахстана борется за возрождение своей культуры

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С вторжением России в Украину в странах Центральной Азии все чаще стало звучать слово "деколонизация". Молодому поколению в основном чужда ностальгия по Советскому Союзу и больше свойственен интерес к национальному языку и собственной культуре - в противовес всему российскому. Особенно эти процессы заметны в Казахстане, который политически и экономически по-прежнему тесно связан с бывшей метрополией.

https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-65614334