Quote from: deisik on July 10, 2017, 07:26:54 AM

Quote from: Cuber Krypton on July 10, 2017, 03:36:40 AM

I want a real chance for users to vote.

This means a chain split and we will vote with our money. The Full Node propaganda is crap and even if it had any technical support, any sane user, and by user I mean Exchanges who control the money flow, will just run 2 nodes. The only way for ALL users to have a say, is for both Chains to be listed and let users dump whichever they don't like.

So yes. I want a chain split so I can have a say in this

You forget about gory details and nasty repercussions

The most serious one which exchanges never fail to stress seems to be related to the so-called replay attack which is possible when a chain split happens (just like it happened with the Ethereum split). This attack comes down to spending coins on one chain, and the respective transaction inadvertently (or not so inadvertently) propagating to another chain, so coins end up having been spent on the two chains. I read that Coinbase lost some monies due to this kind of attack. It might well have been a deliberate attempt by someone rebroadcasting every transaction from one chain to the other. Without doubt, there should be a host of other issues too

This is why I have been abundantly clear everywhere that I perfectly support Hard Forks in these cases. I think this soft fork represents much more danger. Because until users get to vote safely (no replay, reorg), you are stuck in a limbo game of chicken while everyone else is watching from the sidelines wondering what will happen with our money.

If you made it a hard fork, this could be immediately be solved in the market.

In fact, the only way I understand the UASF adoption procedure as a soft fork, is that game theory wise, it diminishes the hashrate need for it to go through. Instead of 51%, you now only need 51% - x where X is the market share of the biggest mining pool. Also the fact that whoever splits the chain definetively, altcoins themselves. This is the game of chicken preparing for the game of blame that will come after and the rights to Bitcoin brandname.

It creates increasing and exponential pressure for miner adoption rather than a real vote. As a user, until there is a Hard Fork, you are just participating in a peaceful sit in. Or a vigil. Or a meetup. It has its merits, but no practical utility.

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