Quote from: modewei on Today at 08:19:02 AM

Quote from: lyynx on Today at 01:08:32 AM

Quote from: modewei on January 12, 2021, 03:04:16 AM

The founder says qortal is a decentralized trading platform.
But I would like to say this: qortal does not give the private keys of btc and ltc of trade portals to users to keep freely.
How can users withdraw their btc or ltc assets if a major accident occurs on qortal one day and the project cannot proceed?
So I think it is really decentralized only if you give control of the private key of btc or ltc to the user.
In this way, when there is a major accident in qortal, they can import the private key of btc or ltc into another wallet to retrieve their assets

Please do some research or ask the Qortal community regarding items like this before you post half truths. The fact that is, if Qortal had an issue, you would still be able to access your BTC and LTC.

Presently, you are 1/2 correct, there is no built in functionality to export your BTC or LTC keys. However, please see Crowetic's statements.

"the keys are derived in a way that's tied to your Qortal account
so you can backup your Qortal wallet, and you can import into any other, and your BTC and LTC wallets will be there
so no, I don't consider export of the private keys to be a NECESSARY feature right now."

First of all, I'd like to make it clear that you can't take out btc or LTC, without qortal, because you don't have control over the private key of these two coins in your qortal wallet, which means you may lose these two coin assets.
Another qortal automatically updates the version for the user without the user.
If one day a developer upgrade hides the BTC and LTC assets in his wallet, how can the average user get their btc,ltc assets back?
More importantly: several people seem to have found that their BTC assets in the qortal trade portal have been lost.
If users have their BTC private key, they can retrieve the lost btc by importing the btc private key into other btc wallets.

Quote from: modewei on Today at 08:25:34 AM

In the past, many wallet projects used mnemonics as proof of all the coins in the wallet.
But after a series of problems, they now implement separate private keys for each coin project. Completely devolve control of the coin to the user.

You don't have to respond to yourself, Modwei.
I have been waiting for you.
Regarding the private keys, I cannot decide which is more profound: that you are just hearing about this or that your effort is bested only by your inaccuracy.

All 47 of you actions on this forum state a clear pattern with little necessary calculation of, "This coin looks promising. Time to FUD!" with a smattering of "I am here! Where is my airdrop?"
It is clear by your precise selection of woes that you are attempting to attack the fundamental parts of the platform in hopes that it catches air like a true channer. Unfortunately, you are attacking the payment method: not the platform Qortal. You are chasing a car and attacking street signs.

In our last episode, you chose the quantity of users on the network to call as "Bad Pool" but you were factually inaccurate. Errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum.

But on TONIGHT'S show, the big bomb is nonexistent private keys. However, this one is just as explodey as the arithmetic acrobatics episode was.

...because it is old news and you are telling an outright lie stating that no private key exists. There is no more concise way to put it.
Believe me, I have tried.

Since the song has taken this note, I'd like to direct everyone to please parse this user's activity. Get to know them as I have. You can find it right above his merit.

Modwei allow me to adjust your accuracy to... ...accurate.

The "fault" you have heralded and then provided rapport to yourself, in order to spare other users the stress of communication with you is well known. It is the product of the UI and its mechanism that make private key acquisition arduous but not impossible. Drew M. Peacock happened upon it and derived his keys after a couple days. He offered assistance to the entire community regarding acquisition of these keys during a time when the trade portal had turbulence with BTC/Electrum and stability was our focus, as well it should have been.

It is this that you reference offhandedly as,
"several people seem to have found that their BTC assets in the qortal trade portal have been lost..".

Were it not for his efforts, we'd be paying a lot of beta testers out of pocket. It was only possible because we assisted the users in procuring their OWN key. This allowed them to locate their currency.

Private keys are the way things work. Don't assume things are just on a spreadsheet at the post office and use special handshakes to access because you lack decryption capacity(much less, know it is a possibility).
This is something you would know, were you here at the time as it was a pretty big deal. By "here", I imply something within the community less clandestine.

I have been privy to the retrieval process and it is expressly technical. In this light, it kind of makes sense to not even mention it unless there is an update or it has been rectified.

Now, I can smell you getting all FUDDy at that remark but let's take a moment to analyze this through the lens of logic.

You enter into a new cryptocurrency platform that debuts with combined services already in function that its peers either find nonexistent or only offer individually. It is a cryptocurrency tied to an entirely separate platform that boasts custom addresses for all coins used, smart contracts, an inherent trade portal, anonymous communication with group/channel creation, 60 second transfers on the Product coin.
You arrive to find a platform with more irons running than hands to use them and aspirations of replacing Discord in entirety by combining text, voice, streaming, URL hosting, storage and even looking toward geographical connectivity bypass. All of that in two separate programs available to all common Operating Systems...

...and you find problems.

This is the fisher-price version of Sherlock Holmes.
But hey, you eventually arrived.

\o/

In reality, we have been able to access our private keys for six months or more. While it is not an easy task, It will become so as Qortal's primary focus is to offer itself to the world and that means to "the layman". The layman does not know more than social sites and the routine of their life.

This a bit of a quandry, eh?
With that posture, they would either HAVE to make it easily accessible or start giving out node.js lessons.

It comes down to this.
If you care to support Qortal, do so. We intend to empower those who have not and make equal the freedom. There are worse things to stand behind. All things are being geared toward ease of access and ultimately it will operate this way.
If you do not care to support Qortal, that is not a bad thing. We won't be angry at you if you move on.

But if you think you are going to pick up on a new bit of information and bring it here to attempt to make Qort's price closer to your income; I will be waiting to advise you that your information is dated from June so you do not have to talk to yourself.

Oh, and...
In the future, provide Reference to your "Some people" and "Many wallet projects" paraphrasing. Lyynx, the man you are mincing words with is one user who's BTC was lost and now is recovered.

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