Quote from: t13hydra on September 05, 2013, 09:28:11 AM

I know bailing out is easy, making it work is the harder part, but if everyone bailed out at the first difficulty they had, we wouldn't be talking about Bitcoin... And i don't think we fight against "stellar odds". I'm very calculated and if i make a mistake, i'm also prepared to face the consequences. As far as i see now, 2.8 Terra hashes make their ROI in two months. I don't understand the anger behind the tone you used above. If you would like your chips, that's ok with me. But if you think about it, you could have BTC flowing in faster than you might get your miners and start mining. I gues i understand you too, having the miner in your hand, bragging about it and showing it off to everybody, but the end results are the same: you need the BTC that it produces. And this is what i offer here. I guess i can't make everybody happy, i'll just do my best to satisfy most of them.
PS: What you don't see is my work here. I know it's easy to dismiss it, but just think about the hours invested in this and then all of a sudden, it fades away to 37000 pointless views and 850 pointless posts in a forum, hm? How does that sound?

Oh no, you seemed to misunderstand me. I'll just be blunt, and please don't confuse this with rudeness, that's not my intention:
The most important bit I'm talking about here is the group buy. Not your hosting idea, not your assembly service. The group buy is a bunch of people who trusted you with their money to purchase chips. It's not up to you to decide what to do with that group buy, it's up to the people who took part, your task is carrying out what they want. If, out of the 2 group buys, 50% of the people want their money back instead of waiting for the chips, then you should request a refund from BitSyncom for one of the group buys and divide the money you get back amongst the people who want a refund.
The fact that you only added .003BTC/chip to the price, at points even less than that, is very nice of you, but the risk was yours to take, you expected to get compensated for your efforts from the assembly (for which, mind you, you could still keep some of the money for, others are doing the same as well, and thus getting more compensation for the effort you put in). So all things considered, unless you managed funds really really badly, you are getting compensated for your time, maybe not as well as you'd hoped, but that's still something.
If you have some idealistic reasons for going on and not even asking people what they want, e.g. "We started this so let's finish it" or "We need to help bitcoin grow!", then you have to put those aside real fast, because this is other people's money you're talking about. You can do what you want with your own money, but others should have a right to decide. If you ask everyone and it turns out only some 10% wants a refund, then I'll shut up and go with it, but you're saying you don't have to ask people what they want because you know better. That's a horrible thing to even think, nevermind actually doing it.

Again, the assembly is different thing entirely that you have to handle differently, and it's not what I'm talking about here.

The hosting option, considering the circumstances, is a good idea, but I'd much rather have my money back than to wait for BitSyncom to ship. You don't have any idea when the chips are going to arrive. Neither does any of us, and neither does BitSyncom by the looks of it. But at this point, when we can be sure that they missed their planned time of delivery by almost 100%, the odds of this not being profitable are high enough to make me want to get a refund over investing more into it just to possibly reach ROI and some minor profit beyond that, if I get lucky.

Twh

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