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Yes and every one knew what a 0x was a week after they way the do now, so rushed to mine 0x. Its far more open to more actors coming in now than a week then. So Relatively orders of magnitude more fair.

Whether everyone found out about it early or not is irrelevant. The important distinction is that 0xBTC dev mined alongside with others, rather than keeping it to themselves for a period of time.

That's your view, my view is that given the overall dissemination of information about 0x is vastly larger, there is more opportunity for people ready and understanding to join in, so it can attract a more broad based distribution. It's my view you can not arbitrarily discount the knowledge of use

It's not 'my view'. It's a fact.

Also, 'your view' has already been proven incorrect by the fact that NOBODY else joined in until AFTER you announced it here.

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I found that the domains 0xLTC.com

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Updated Date: 2018-04-30
Created Date: 2018-04-30
Registrar Expiration Date: 2019-04-30

and 0xLTC.org had just been purchased

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Domain Name: 0XLTC.ORG
Registry Domain ID: D402200000005971141-LROR
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.namecheap.com
Registrar URL: http://www.namecheap.com
Updated Date: 2018-04-30T11:45:50Z
Creation Date: 2018-04-30T11:45:49Z

As you can see it was a few days before the launch....I at this point took the view someone else was about to launch and took the view that first to market was essential.

Thank you. This gives great insight into your motives.

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This made me less easy relying purely on the test net, rather than a live test given that i am proposing to launch a coin that I feel could be valued in the 100 of millions or more, it would be reasonable to run a live test in all circumstances.

This doesn't answer the question. Why do you feel that a 'proven to work contract' requires such extensive testing? What exactly were you testing for when you simply copied a 'proven to work contract' which has been in use for several months and just changed 2 values?

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A premine would be an allocation, before any public mining started.

An allocation or any mining which takes place PRIOR to a coin been announced, or any mineable coin launched without sufficient advance notice and with a low difficulty.
Basically if it gives the developers (and their friends) an advantage, it's considered a premine.

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Your actual complaint is you did not know about it being mined. It was publicly mined and any actor that bothered to search for it could have.

My complaint is that nobody aside from you knew about it. You kept it to yourself and mined in peace before deciding to tell the rest of us about it.

I will deal with these together as they are sufficiently close.
This is your definition.

It's not 'my definition'. It's the widely accepted definition.

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You or anyone could put a script in to watch new token at any time being launched, and mine them.

That you or others choose not to do this is a matter for you. Eg poll if(query.api.blockscanner() NE (0x***) where (0x***) is in existing database then send alert to self.

you could even start an automine script if you wanted to, and narrow your search to 0x*L* or 0xB** etc, it's really up to you how much you want to spend in eth and time.

You complaint remains if you were prepared to put in the effort.

It seems rather you want to be told.

No. I just want want you to be honest. Premine all you want, but don't lie about it and come here trying to argue that it didn't take place.

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Now sure there may be a market effect of not disseminating information in a particular form, eg via ANN but that is a decision by the launcher. Your complaining about that effect. So if you or someone else can find a coin where they could get on earlier, all power to them, each person can assess their own risks, effort and reward.

No. I'm complaining about you lying about the premine.

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Further practically speaking right now 0xLTC can be mined for the same gwei as in day 1 and the difficulty is negligible. So whats your practical complaint in practice anyone can go in now and mine at the same cost, but with no effort to set up.

Here's what it looked like when only you were mining.
https://i.imgur.com/omGdaO1.png

Here's what it looks like after you announced it and others started mining.
https://i.imgur.com/5g8QCWA.png

See all those failed transactions now that people are competing over gas price instead of being able to mine in peace like you were?
Are you seriously trying to tell us that premining didn't provide you with an unfair advantage?

Your cherry picking, see the fails from early mining and you fail to note the gwei was higher in many cases that now, why do you omit a full analysis.

You also fail to note you can mine cheaper right now if you wish at 7 gwei with at a similar competition rate

It would help your position if you were prepared to make a full argument, and people can mine right now for less.

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0xc8f0bb25f0ab0f2d6571def9aee23eb3221afdc7
5 failed transactions during premine. 103 successful ones.

0x84376756277c3c0dee9c57a4cb2d1d1b7bae2f0b
21 failed transactions during premine. 556 successful ones.
0xc8f0bb25f0ab0f2d6571def9aee23eb3221afdc7

From all the random samples I looked at the gas fees were either 7 or 10 gwei during the premine.

Does that 'help my position'? Does it provide a full enough argument for you?
I'm quite happy to do a full breakdown of every wallet, but do you really want the people to see that?

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Your terminology is misconstrued, your thesis falls, you complaint is you did not know, not that it could not be known. Your complaint is about a particular advertising schedule, not wether something was publicly mined and or discoverable.

I've made my point quite clearly. If you still can't see what the issue is... well... maybe you're just refusing to.

Dealt with above you can code up a script to poll for coins you want to get info about. You want to be spoon fed, or don't like the decisions made by the market

No! I want you to stop lying about the premine.

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0x(whatever) will be done by someone, your could manual just type in to https://ethplorer.io/ search bar 0x...(whatever) any time you wish to to see what comes up.

And if any of those get premined you can be damn sure I'll be here to call them out on it.

Your missing the point. This argument goes to the choice of a market actor to expend time to obtain information

No! YOU are missing the point, over and over again.

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Your newness is open to suggest a bias.

Yes, everything you disagree with must be FUD right?

No, just making an observation.
It's common in this arena to anon launch coins.
Not that I have to do this but no. I am not new. I have been around here for quite some time. So there is a false assumption by you. It's this type of approach that undermines what could other wise be better arguments from you.

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By your own logic I could claim that your newness is open to suggest that you have no experience coding smart contracts. Let's leave the deflecting to the politicians shall we?

Whatever experience i do or don't have is irrelevant. The facts are the contract is live.

You have even missed the point here.

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