Quote from: CryCrptoCry on April 29, 2020, 01:32:08 PM

When you confiscate winnings and tell players to roll over 25x, yes its kind of stealing.

Nobody confiscated your winnings. The match was a push and everyone had their bets returned in accordance to our terms and conditions and we didn't collect any platform fee.

Other members on bitcointalk had pointed this out:

Quote from: DarkStar_ on April 29, 2020, 06:12:08 AM

Quote from: coincruncher1982 on April 29, 2020, 06:04:12 AM

Bitbrawlers is a parimutuel game. Odds are variable and the prize pool is from other players betting. Betroar has no stake in who wins, loses, or if there is a push. They collect a platform fee after each match.

If anything, Betroar has an incentive to have a result be determined, as they only collect the platform fee when winnings are paid out. In the event of a push, you simply get your original stake back, without any cut taken.

All you are now doing is making baseless accusations possibly because you want more free bitcoin. You're not getting anymore free bitcoin.

You didn't complain when you were winning and cashing out to your wallet. Why is that? Why is it now suddenly you are being a sore loser and making accusations when luck doesn't go your way? You didn't even lose your own money. It was all bonus money. In fact you didn't make a single deposit into Betroar, yet you want to be treated like some kind of VIP despite having the attitude of a typical person on Yelp who thinks they are a food critic.

Probably fair doesn't mean what you think it means. So called "provably fair" gambling games use a deterministic pseudo random number generator with a server and client seed. And "provably fair" is a marketing gimmick because nothing is stopping the gambling operator from manually inserting seeds they know of in advance in order to rig the game while still appearing to have a "provably fair" hash.

Bitbrawlers does not use a deterministic pseudo random number generator like this and therefore doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. You'll notice that sportsbooks also never use the "provably fair" gimmick either for the same reason.

Do you know what else isn't provably fair? Physical card games. Physical dice games. Sports matches. Horse Races. Yet people still bet on these things. Bitbrawlers is the same. It doesn't use a pseudo random number generator with a seed pair, therefore it doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. .

Betroar doesn't pay Saltybet any money. It is a public third party stream watched by hundreds of users. Betroar has no influence on the results of the stream.

If you don't like Bitbrawlers that's fine, nobody is forcing you to play. We can still offer it whether you like it or not. Players can decide if they want to play or not. We offer traditional sports and esports betting as an alternative for anyone not interested in Bitbrawlers.

And Donsifon is a confirmed cheater who placed bets after the event started and several bitcointalk members turned against him a few pages ago after seeing the proof. Now he just wants to stir up some drama.

Here's a quick reminder who Donsifon is:

Quote from: bitbrawlers on February 16, 2020, 06:02:59 PM

During our cashout review, we were able to confirm that donsifon had been abusing an exploit that we have since patched. This exploit allowed players to keep multiple browser tabs open in order to change their wagers after an event has concluded. We patched this exploit on January 24th.

Below is our record of this users bets that were made after betting activity:

Betting that took advantage of the vulnerability is highlighted in yellow. We understand that players will always try and get an edge and bend the rules of our site to their advantage. However, given the scale of the exploitation in this case and the ensuing abuse to our suport staff from this player, we decided to ban them from future action on BetRoar and return his original deposit.

Below is a PM of Donsifon trying to extort money from us:

Quote from: bitbrawlers on February 17, 2020, 05:10:00 PM

Indeed. Heres the proposal donsifon sent to us:

Does this not read like an extortion letter? Why would someone who isnt a cheater want to settle for 50% like that? Isnt that something only a cheater would do after theyre caught?

He also sent us a threatening message telling us he will destroy our search engine ranking if we dont let him withdraw any amount that he wants:

And here is the reaction from the bitcointalk community about Donsifon:

Quote from: AlexSimion on February 16, 2020, 06:07:43 PM

Well in this case I think user should consider himself lucky for even getting his initial deposit back . Other casino usually seize all funds and lock the accounts permanently.

Quote from: coincruncher1982 on February 17, 2020, 06:07:03 PM

Personally I agree with AlexSimion. I would want to lay as low as possible and not attract attention if I found a bug like that. I think going all in like that would look pretty fishy. Also no sorry but that "50% discount" especially after seeing those messages that guy posted looks really shady to me. It just screams "Russian shakedown" to me.

Quote from: Magoo8 on February 17, 2020, 06:37:22 PM

It does look like a shake down after reading all this. I like betroar except that sometimes it takes a while for bets to be graded. I'm still waiting on XFL games from Saturday and Sunday.

Quote from: Grab on February 19, 2020, 02:29:37 PM

donsifon you are fucking retarded or what xD?
Why you want only 0.2 if they "own" you 0.4 xD
Why u send them message that if you get 0.2 you will play only on betroar xDDDD?
I have feeling that you find some exploid and want scam betroar.
You act like scammer xD

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