Quote from: vampire on January 07, 2013, 05:53:37 PM

Quote from: shep on January 06, 2013, 07:58:18 PM

I proved unauthorized sales of access codes and credentials are illegal, you have even supported my argument on multiple occasions even though you ignore your own supporting arguments. I'm familiar with many types of sites notwithstanding auction sites, commerce, discussion forums, and other various sites. I commented on those sites because they were relevant to the existing thread topic and Gabriel Seletchi and also in responding to your frequent posts. You can continue trolling, but consider yourself ignored. You have been openly hostile, you throw insults, and have engaged in childlike tantrums since your initial post in this thread.

No, I didn't support anything. What I said that if you're involved in these nzb/torrent trackers then you're a thief.

So you're claiming that I'm a thief without any proof. I'm confused, isn't that why you're claiming I should be banned?
You seem to throw out a lot of insults, vulgarities, and show open hostility. You don't appear capable of engaging in civil discussion.

You have previously stated and claimed that torrent and nzb sites are illegal, you even went so far as to point to information which may be posted on gingadaddy that supported your argument. If the site in question which you posted to does contain illegal information and is not DMCA compliant then that supports a position for not allowing sales of credentials or invites. Associating Bitcoin and this website with illegal sales of unauthorized credentials and access codes or other activity only harms the reputation of the site and the currency. Those sales may occur elsewhere, but they shouldn't occur here on the semi-official forum of bitcoin.

You seem to ignore your own supporting argument. Here let me remind you since you seem to have a very short memory.

Quote from: shep on January 06, 2013, 02:28:11 AM

Quote from: vampire on January 06, 2013, 02:19:31 AM

Quote from: shep on January 06, 2013, 02:12:52 AM

I am not promoting any websites. I have however commented on several, none of which I am affiliated with. I also find it interesting that you seem to believe that these websites are illegal (most are not), yet you somehow take no issue with sales of credentials or access codes, which are illegal (yes if they were procured or distributed in an unauthorized manner it does fall under access fraud, misuse of access, computer fraud, illegal access, and/or theft of service).

Really? They aren't illegal? Wow. I checked your comments history and pulled the ToS of the website in question.

https://www.gingadaddy.com/rules.php

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We promote the use of scene releases since they will get you what you want (home made's can be something else than you expect, and there's often no NFO included to do proper research or comparison before downloading).

Thus, when you upload a Scene Release, use the proper Scene Release name. This includes the dots between the names and the release group at the end. If you don't know what the Scene Release title is, start out by looking in the post names, either in the file list of the nzb after being posted, or by searching usenet with a site like www.binsearch.info or www.newzleech.com. There are also lots of NFO resources such as www.vcdquality.com or www.nfoogle.com

for example, the correct formatting for a dvdr movie would be:
The.Matrix.Reloaded.NTSC.DVDR-Replica
and for music:
Led_Zeppelin-Latter_Days-2000-EGO
etc.

That sounds as highly illegal to me. A website owner lists copyrighted files for the download....

Also you should read this part:

http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/linking-copyrighted-materials

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Linking also raises legal issues in connection with the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA. Section 1201 of the DMCA makes it illegal to traffic in technology that enables others to circumvent technological measures put in place by copyright holders to control access to or uses of their copyright work.

Quote from: vampire on January 06, 2013, 01:52:30 AM

I have nothing to prove.I have however pointed out the distribution and or sales of credentials and access codes which have not been explicitly authorized by a site owner or institution that they belong to is in fact illegal and can be prosecuted. Sellers and facilitators can face criminal and civil liability. Again, I'm sorry if you and some others can't accept that, but that is the way that most legal systems operate. Theft of service is recognized by most first world and third world nations.

Regarding your other statement. I think you do some research you will find that most NZB websites are in fact not illegal depending on where they are hosted, they operate under safe harbor, and reference posts made to newsgroups. The sites themselves can not host any infringing material and if they do receive a complaint and fail to act, they can be shutdown or face criminal and civil liability.

If you wish to engage in civil discussion, I'm fair game, but if your only intent is trying to silence me and make demands that I leave, you'll be ignored. I might ask how exactly are you improving discussion in this thread? You aren't addressing the topic of the forum policy, nor are you moving this discussion forward.

The burden of proof is on you. If you can't prove according to law that you had referenced here then there is nothing to talk about civilly here.

I don't represent gingadaddy, nor am I affiliated with them. If you believe there is a legal issue with that site I suggest you send them a DMCA takedown notification. Also I think that you're ignoring your own arguments. If those sites are illegal, then why is this forum allowing transactions of access codes and credentials for those sites? If anything you're supporting my argument that sales of access codes and credentials for those sites should not be allowed on this forum.

Quote from: vampire on January 07, 2013, 05:53:37 PM

Quote from: shep on January 06, 2013, 07:58:18 PM

You are either clueless, trolling, or vested (financially, or for personal gain) in the outcome of this topic as you continue to rationalize illegal sales transactions of access codes or credentials. You continue to run around in circles to try and find a "gotcha" stipulation that can allow illegal transactions to take place on this forum.

You are not responding in any rational manner and frequently go off-topic. You are not serving the site or yourself by continuing to defend illegal sales. You are not going to bait me into a shouting match, or devolve this topic into such an endless foray. I'm ignoring your posts from now on.

Prove that I am financially vested.

You accuse a lot of people, either you should prove your accusations or you should stop making these baseless accusations.

I vote to ban your ass from these forums for baseless accusations (i.e. a troll).

I don't have to prove you are financially vested. I did however observe that your actions are irrational and indicate that you are clueless, trolling, or vested (financially or for person gain) in the outcome of this topic. The people I have brought to light in this topic and in the previous topic are engaged in illegal sales. The claims aren't baseless. Sellers here are engaged in illegal secondary sales of unauthorized access codes and credentials which they gained through provisional access to database services. You seem to want to ignore that. Your actions indicate that you would prefer I go away because you want these sales to continue.

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