Quote from: Dank Frank on September 03, 2016, 03:10:07 PM

Quote from: wasserman99 on September 03, 2016, 02:53:42 PM

Hi,

We already give our opinion, its the same over and over again. Like everyone else, we are being affected by this situation. We just want to reach an agreement with SebastianJu. As many messages are being written, I will copy mine so that interested parties can read them:

Quote from: wasserman99 on September 02, 2016, 08:15:30 PM

Quote from: looking4thegrail on September 02, 2016, 07:39:26 PM

True, but it's also SJ's fault for agreeing to escrow and saying terms later. Community demanded escrow so he had to do it. I think this is a great solution for all. Wasserman, do you agree?

Quote from: looking4thegrail on September 02, 2016, 07:13:56 PM

The $2,500 SJ would make if no one took refunds would be well worth it, but most bitcointalk people are lazy or can't do BTC stuff at work. It is a decent solution though. Wasserman would you agree if SJ agreed to take the phase 2 XPO as escrow? SJ would then be responsible for paying people XPO and sending you the BTC or refunding people BTC and sending you the XPO and you could just keep releasing things to increase the value of XPO on exchanges so people would take the XPO and release the escrow BTC to you.

edit: This would be very good as you could then give SJ the email address of every phase 2 user, the BTC they invested, and the XPO they should receive. Right now, it's hard for SJ to communicate with users since he doesn't have their email. This solution might be good for everyone. Wasserman, do you agree?

Yes, as I said we are open to accept any plan (we think that the BoldNinja proposal is the most suitable) but we need the consensus with SJ to reach an agreement. Given its too much work I dont think that SJ agree to it, but if he is ok this, we are too.

Regards

Quote from: wasserman99 on September 02, 2016, 06:41:02 PM

Dank, again, if SJ want to see some development before release the funds its OK!!!!! But why he dont accept a plan that includes delivering the work before releasing the funds. He does not accept anything. A plan like this:

Quote from: BoldNinja on September 01, 2016, 02:26:59 PM

I don't see where is the problem. Simple

You received 60 BTC which is a lot in stage 1. That should get you a head-start and to get trust from investors :

1. Pay the bounties from stage 1 you will be left with more than 50 BTC
2. Release the wallet and distribute the coins if you think you got much less than you wanted well that's a risk every developer has to accommodate sometimes less is more in crypto ( a lot of now sucessful projects even started as a joke and are now in top 50 coins without any starting funds) apart from that I'm OK if you take that 9% that was reserved for PoW as development fund and that should give you motivation for your project to be properly developed.

Now for the escrow :

1. You get 20% of escrow when you distribute coins and post working basic wallet along with source (that's additional 15-18 BTC I don't know how much was raised in stage 2 )
2. You get 20% when you list it on Bittrex and not some shitty exchange (3 BTC listing fee will get you additional 15 BTC for development)

You are still left with more than 80 BTC (stage1+stage2) you can start developing the wallet you promised.

3. You get 20% when you release wallet you promised (beta one)
4. You get 40% when it's functional (I'm not saying smart contracts, debit cards, ... ) but that it is stable

We agree with this but we only want the confirmation from SJ.

Regards

Quote from: wasserman99 on September 02, 2016, 04:46:00 PM

Hi,

As I said a lot of times, we can work with the funds of the first phase we only want to have an agreement with SJ about the other funds before continue with the development. A simple roadmap, milestones...like the plan proposed by BoldNinja. Because without plan, we dont know that even if we do all that thing SJ will release the funds or not...example: If we send the xpo coin to an user and after that SJ refund him, what we can do? that user will have his btc back and the xpo coins // or if we hire someone // etc...there are a lot of problem working in this way, so the best is first reach an agreement with sebastianju or that he refund all the investor who want exit. After that, with all the things clear we can work without problems.

Regards

Quote from: wasserman99 on September 02, 2016, 06:16:58 PM

Quote from: tomkat on September 02, 2016, 06:02:48 PM

Quote from: looking4thegrail on September 02, 2016, 05:55:45 PM

Quote from: cryptobart on September 02, 2016, 05:51:58 PM

I think we need a deadline for launching the wallet and list in exchange. If you claim you are not scam, prove it!

Instead of arguing with the phase 2 fund, please show some dev progress?

Whether he's a scam or not, he can't distribute coins to phase 2 users because then they could get coins and get the refund of their BTC so fastest way to settle this would be to only distribute phase 1, get on an exchange with a good price and phase 2 users would demand that sebastianju release the BTC to Wasserman so they could get their XPO.

You're making this too complex like wasserman does. It's possible to distribute all coins.
Then the users who want to be refunded just contact SJ and send back their XPO for their BTC (matching BTC addresses should be fairly easy).
Once opair hits exchange(s) the refund process is over and no one can request BTC refund.
As simple as that...

Yes, this option, the community plan, and others are great idea but, at this point, we need the confirmation of SJ that he would accept that. We only ask to SJ to accept any plan. He has most of the funds, if not reach an prior agreement he could change his mind at any time and decide anything.

Another problem is the slowness of SJ to respond. I'm tired of sending private messages to him and not responding.

As all of you, we want a solution as soon as possible.

Regards

Regards

I got it very clear in my PM from SJ you need to show something first and you lost all trust all by yourself, we want proof of work! Stop repeating the same BS over and over again. Forget about the escrow and start using the BTC65. You wouldn't had raised the BTC84 coins in escrow anyways if it wasn't for SebastianJu.

Don't you really get it that this isn't bringing you and the project nowhere if you are really serious about it? Come on use some common sense please.

Quote from: wasserman99 on September 02, 2016, 04:46:00 PM

As I said a lot of times, we can work with the funds of the first phase

Then start working, you are the untrusted one here and SebastianJu is doing a awesome job right now by not agreeing to anything you say.

Frank, you know this wasserman is ready to run away with 65 btc fund, but he thought the other part of 85 btc is easy to cheat from SJ, therefore he wanted to get that money asap. SJ is a great escrow. Wasserman's eyes are full of money

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