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Germany made a decision to station troops in Latvia for security reasons, anticipating Russian aggression in EU countries.

My guess is that if for any reason Ruzzia makes a breakthrough, and that is in my view not likely now that US has resumed shipments, Germany will probably find an argument to take part of Ukraine under protection. Poland likely too.

In addition, Germany has placed its largest order ever of tanks.
https://united24media.com/latest-news/germany-launches-wartime-overhaul-orders-600-leopard-tanks-and-1000-boxer-apcs-9665

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Germany to order 105 Leopard tanks to equip German brigade in Lithuania

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Germany Launches Wartime Overhaul—Orders 600 Leopard Tanks and 1,000 Boxer APCs

It is not a lot of tanks, given what a high-intensity war takes, but it may be a good deterrent if they also include combined weapons.

Russia's industry is unable to compensate for the loss of tanks, and does not produce new, more advanced ones. Russia's defeat is inevitable.

Doubt about Germany, but I'm sure Poland, Hungary. Romania, and Moldova would love nothing more than to take parts of Ukraine under their complete protection.

Right, inevitable you say, now if you pinpoint the timing (so far we have between now and end of times) and define a what a defeat and a victory for Russia is, and then maybe there will be some substance in this post.

There is nothing short of a victory for Ruzzia. It is just not going to happen and it can be either because a peace that considers Ukrainian interests is achieved (so Ruzzia cannot claim a victory), Ruzzia can no longer sustain a meaningful conflict (frozen conflict) or if Ruzzia advances too much, Europe will put troops on the ground and defend Ukraine.

You do not want an independent Ukraine, so you should not care much about anyone taking part, right?
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For now, just keep banging Ruzzias head against the wall. The more, the happier the US is.

Europe will start a war with Russia over Ukraine lol is that what's currently on the menu in Ukraine?

As Iran bombing showed, whatever happens we already know that both sides will claim victory. Even if Ukrainian government totally collapses, it'll still be sold as a victory because west successfully prevented Russia from taking over Poland, Germany, Mars...

Ukraine can only be as independent as Cuba can be. It's funny to talk about independence when the "west" currently pays for Zelenskiy's salary, Ukrainian army, teachers, pensioner etc... In fact, can you think of a more non independent country in the world? Belarus comes up, but I'm pretty sure even they have more financial independence than current Ukraine.

Isn't it hilarious how US first gave out cookies to start this whole thing, said Fuck the EU, and now forces EU to pay for this war and then also puts tariffs on EU. Do you think Trump is trying to bring ultra rights to power in Europe on purpose or is he just an idiot?

Edit: "There is nothing short of a victory for Ruzzia." i don't think this means what you think it means Grin

Euro will not be any more at war, but simply will intervene. It would be for Ruzzia to choose to attack or not to attack NATO. Putin knows the consequence of attacking NATO.

Bur what matters to you is that there is no win for Ruzzia one way or another. And what you say about Ukraine is certainly true for Ruzzia - no matter what Ruzzia will self-proclaim a victory. It is expected of course.

Seems that the internal perpetual mind-blogging Ruzzian propaganda got so strong that even Putin started to believe his own shit - that's why we are where we are.

Wait, what? WTF is simply intervening into an armed conflict, become a party to a conflict? Euro intervene and then not to attack NATO? American soldiers in Ukraine or German? NATO needs unanimous decision to deploy troops, meaning Trump, Orban, Fico ... all need to approve. Any country sending their troops outside of that clearly wouldn't be covered by Article 5. You seem to be overdosing everyone with your hopium there, as what you're saying doesn't make any sense, and just won't happen. How about we return to reality instead of these wild claims with nothing backing it up?

Getting four new regions, especially the capital of Kherson on the other side of Dnieper (close to Odesa), a neutral rest of Ukraine with a new government and Russian culture, language, music, books, religion all back in all of Ukraine is what Russia has been asking for from the start. If you can push that as a loss for Russia and a total win for Ukraine, I think everyone will be happy. (You'll just need to make up some justification in case anyone in Ukraine asks why this wasn't agreed to during the negotiations and so many people had to die to achieve the same result [and I don't think they would appreciate: you were sacrificed because US wanted to disarm Russia a bit. as an answer]).

Haha first claims about some dream of NATO intervening and then about Russian propaganda, classic.

Look, I like your chatter ... all very creative, you should pursue a career in writing leaflets for weekend offers in supermarkets, but the fact remains: Ruzzia will exchange a million death and several thousand vehicles lost for a chunk of land and the "bridge to Crimea" that by now is clear that, in case of conflict, the ports are worh zero.

Ruzzia will not achieve a collapse or full takeover of Ukraine, while whatever remains of Ukraine will certainly be now an adversary of Ruzzia.

Europe will be worse off, Ukraine will be a bit better off, Ruzzia will have lost the Sirian bases, part of the grip in Armenia, their diplomacy... but surely will celebrate the "victory" and US will have a better chance of fighting China is that comes to be needed.

Now go around in circles and hipothesis, I have a few videos of destroyed air defences in Crimea to go through today.

Yes i like that! Now, can you push that as a Ukrainian win for negotiations that Zelenskiy is asking for? Just make sure that Russian religion, culture, language is protected in all of Ukraine, and all of Ukraine stays neutral (you know the basic stuff that Russia was asking for since 2021 before this whole thing even started) and this useless loss of life that no one needs can finally stop!

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