Quote from: iheartubuntu on January 12, 2015, 04:54:54 PM

Quote from: HELP.org on January 12, 2015, 02:50:00 PM

No kidding the system is flawed. All civilizations in all of history have been flawed. Your Waco video shows the system is flawed. Everybody knows that. That does not mean you completely eliminate the system and replace it with some fantasy system based on meme's. You don't link the problems with your so-called proposed solution. The point of the other link is to show that anyone can sit there and point to a bunch of Reddit posts and meme's but it is completely different story when you try to implement things in the real world.

I have to disagree here. Real change happens when people work together for a belief of something better. For example if we all collectively decided to stop paying taxes. How would the impact the country? There would have to be immediate dialog. Obamacare? Maybe its good for a handful of helpless people, but its a burden on everyone else. What if people marched and forced all of congress to use Obamacare also? Change would happen pretty quick.

We are starting to see breaking points around the country and around the globe against the government cartels that run things. People are grouping together to find our own real solutions. Bitcoin is one of them.

Yes, like that guy in the video about Waco. What he did was push for a presidential order to protect the FBI agents for whisltleblowing and he started whistleblowers.org with the money he got from the court settlement. He didn't run around like some teenager and say the whole system should be abolished and that we should use a system people used when people lived in caves.

There is zero chance that people will group together and eliminate the "state." There is a chance that Bitcoin will force the hands of some of those in power and change some things. However, when someone reasonable proposes some changes this is the way some Bitcoiners react:

http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/19/interview-on-lets-talk-bitcoin-no-137-the-eye-of-the-beholder/

(You may notice the guy who suggested "hanging" Preston Byrne is the same clown complaining about raising the block size: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/). This lunatic crap is really a problem for mass adoption and the screwballs are pushing out all the reasonable people. Using Bitcoin to end war, threatening to hang people because they are not Libertarian enough, discussing Waco, Silk Road, etc. all have negative impacts on mass adoption and you see how the exchange rate keeps tanking even after Microsoft announced things. The answer is not to elevate nut jobs like Ver, Shrem, free State Project, etc. The answer is to push these people out so they are not associated with Bitcoin to the average person the street.