Quote from: HELP.org on January 13, 2015, 10:57:42 AM

Quote from: jbreher on January 13, 2015, 07:38:41 AM

Quote from: HELP.org on January 13, 2015, 03:15:52 AM

Bitcoin is here, the agenda people are pushing is still in the same place. The usefulness has to do with the technology and has nothing to do with the fantasy agenda. The part about autonomous companies running off the Blockchain is also a fantasy. While it is true that some things can be automated off the blockchain and those things are very useful, a company what provides goods and services is still made up of people and those people perform those services in some jurisdiction and they are subject to laws in that jurisdiction. This hand-waiving "automated companies" claim is part of the misinformation by the agenda pushers. these technologies are very useful on their own and attaching them to some unrealistic agenda hurts their adoption.

you're not likely to halt the trajectory of those who are pushing Bitcoin as part of an ideologically held self consistent set of principles for changing the world.

There is no "trajectory," there is a small number of mentally ill people who are in an echo chamber. Nobody listens to your agenda which is why you post your nonsense in a Bitcoin form. That is why erik Vorhees leads off all his papers with discussions of the technology and why Ver keeps trying to associate himself with satoshi. The so-called principals cannot stand on their own.

You have made the point that I have been discussing. The people I am talking about are not promoting Bitcoin, they are promoting a fantasy which you call a "self consistent set of principles for changing the world." Something which has zero chance of success which is why it is detrimental to lump it in with the Bitcoin technology.

This is how you look to normal people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVHLHfoWEHE&t=4m22s

I look like an absurdist sketch comedy troupe? Eeeeeeexcellent. I can't imagine a better cover under which to foment my subversive plot. My plot to work toward a world where I can merely be left alone (e.g. a world which has a relatively reduced level of incursions into my liberties, and less violent coercive mandate from so-called "authority").

There is no single trajectory, there are uncounted legions of individuals with their own trajectories. Perhaps you are so entrenched in your collectivism you did not notice I spoke of behaviors of individuals seeking their own path -- not an artificially imposed mandate to march in a single direction. And the real point is that you are absolutely powerless to stop us. We will each work for that which we value. By our individual actions we change the world.

_You_ claim that we are not promoting Bitcoin. Yet you offer no supporting evidence to buttress that naked assertion. Further, you acknowledge that actions of Ver, Voorhees, Shrem, and others who you now demonize were indeed important to getting this thing off the ground. Your statements are inconsistent.

Aside #1 - principles, principals. ("The so-called principals cannot stand on their own." after discussing certain people obscures your message)

Aside #2 - funny you should claim that "nobody listens to your agenda" when it is quite obvious you are listening.

Aside #3 - I worry the impending IoT revolution is going to leave you apoplectic. The path from 'auto restocking refrigerators' to 'autonomous corporations' is not as long and tortuous as you seem to think.

I hate to admonish you as 'gramps', because I sense we are of proximate generation. But you seem to be stuck in yesterday's reality. There is political and social change happening in this world. While the overlords are moving to tighten their grip, the net motion of the populace is towards liberty. The old social structures will change. And if crypto currency becomes widespread (an event which I believe is likely - though I acknowledge opinion of other rational people may differ), then the central banks will lose a corresponding amount of power. No more riding the backs of the populace through the hidden tax called 'inflation', and government will necessarily shrink. IOW, yes, Bitcoin does have the power to bring about a move towards liberty.

Actually, whichever side is dominant, change be a-comin'. Best be ready to adapt. The libertarian hordes are working toward a freer world. What can you do to stop us? Anything but complain?