Quote from: TECSHARE on January 25, 2015, 04:11:07 PM

Quote from: smoothie on January 25, 2015, 07:51:38 AM

@WoodCollector,

I had hoped to see much more tiny detail that resembles your previously touted work that you sold to previous customers.

The level of detail on this does not even compare to any and all of the wood "coins" you've done.

Would have liked to have seen you hand carve in the small details that were the talk revolving around using a laser.

Are you going to do a much more fine detailed piece? Why do such a huge product when you could do a small (1/4th or 1/8th the size of the "finger") version that has intricate detail and shut us all up?

This isn't about you attacking or getting retribution on nubbins. Your focus is off and should be on proving all of your detractors wrong.

Let's assume WoodCollector that your skills are as you say, it does not remove the fact that I have found several places where you posted on this forum where you strongly imply that you create original/custom designs for your customers based on their input. But that has been proven to be a lie as you yourself say that you use clip art and pre done designs downloaded/copied off of the internet.

LazerViking sent you a $200 deposit on this premise that you set over the past several months on this forum.

This makes you a thief/liar in that respect. Why not just refund him his money if you supposedly make so much more money on your other client's products?

Seems contradicting to keep $200 and have people know you as a thief.

Looking forward to hopefully seeing a more intricate detailed piece that is hand carved via a video.

Let's be real you could have responded to your detractors in a much more professional manner and left the cussing and childish behavior aside. But you didn't and that does reflect badly on your image. Of course you supposedly do not care about your reputation or forum rep/trust...yet it is one of the main reasons you targeted nubbins in the first place (him leaving neg trust).

This forum has reached epic levels of pathetic. Probably over 9000.

Lets address some of your "points".

1. You claim because he used other images for part of his designs that this is proof the images were stolen. Additionally you say he "strongly implied" that they were original works therefore he is a liar.

First of all, the works he used were licensed. That means he has a legal right to use the work. Additionally he MODIFIED THEM. This is under law defined as a DERIVATIVE WORK, legally giving him the right to use the work regardless. Your assumptions about where he got some of the designs from does not constitute a lie on his part. There is nothing illegal or immoral about this no matter how you try to misconstrue it.

2. Why not do a more detailed piece?

So he is supposed to produce a master work on the spot for you lot of mobbing willfully ignorant degenerates? I think you overestimate your importance drastically. Furthermore your claims have no substance. Why should he waste that much time and energy for a bunch of children with no real argument? He is a professional, with a life, and with a job. I am sure most of you here making accusations can't relate.

3. Lazerviking made a deposit, and wants it back.

DEPOSITS are UNIVERSALLY KNOWN to be NONREFUNDABLE if the depositing party decides to back out of a transaction. That is almost the entire purpose of a deposit. The fact that Nubbins rallied a mob over a bunch of baseless speculation, and Lazerviking bought it, does not constitute any kind of malfeasance on the part of Wood Collector, especially now that he has proven he does his work by hand. It just makes Lazerviking a gullible lemming sucked into Nubbins's mob action.

4. You could have responded much more professionally.

Really? A mob of sharking children shit all over him based on some theories and he is supposed to be all please and thank you? In my opinion he has shown EXCEPTIONAL restraint. Considering that Nubbins is the one who was the inception of all of this, I also find it appropriate to respond directly to him in whatever way he feels necessary. You don't get to lead a mob of people then step aside and cry foul when it turns out you were wrong.

In response to some of the other points brought up...

5. How was the original design applied and why are there burn marks?

The initial design itself was applied with a HAND GUIDED router. As anyone who has ever used high RPM tools on wood knows that high RPM tools WILL BURN WOOD. This is a fact, but how would you lot of basement dwellers and techies know this? You have never built anything with your hands and even if you did you don't have any clue about the level of craftsmanship involved in such a project.

6. He used power tools! That is not hand carving!

Actually... he was working with his hands and applying designs manually with no mechanical guidance. This relies 100% on his ability to control his movements in order to produce his art. By your Luddite logic, anyone who draws on a tablet isn't able to draw because they didn't use pencil an paper. Expecting that 100% of his work would be done manually without any kind of automatic tools is just retarded and would be a complete waste of time/energy on his part.

7. Sockpuppets.

Really? Just because some one doesn't agree with you and thinks you are mistaken they MUST BE WC's sock puppets? I must be his sock puppet too!
Quite convenient this accusation is impossible to prove or disprove. This is nothing more than a slanderfest.

I see a lot more new faces joining in to defend the sinking ship that is Nubbins and his mob as a last ditch effort to intimidate WC and anyone else from speaking in WC's defense. From what I understand at least 4 people have now been banned and have had their posts removed for speaking up for him. Quite a classy operation you run here Bitcointalk.

1. I never said he stole the designs he used. lol nice try buddy.

2. Yes. If he truly wanted to shut us all up he would do a piece that is of the same level if not higher in detail of his previous works.

3. LazerViking's claim was that he was under the impression that WC did ORIGINAL work. Clearly he doesn't as he uses licensed clip art. Nice try again buddy. And this is why he was asking for a refund. If the guy makes good money why keep $200 on false pretenses that his work was original? I made several references where he clearly says he creates custom designs and his work is original as he gets information from each client to "tailor" each design to that client. Now tell me if someone made a reputation of saying/implying they do original/custom work and you made a deposit...then found out after that the designs were not original...would you not ask for a refund? My guess is not. LazerViking wants his money for this very reason. Please keep defining a deposit to us all as that is not what is in question, the part that is in question is the character misrepresentation of his work and what that means.

4. Exceptional restraint? LOL Check out below where he calls his own customer a fag and cusses etc. He could have handled himself much better especially about throwing me under the bus about my physical bitcoin design backgrounds being part of deviant art which I proved him wrong and he had nothing to say. This coming from the very first guy to approach him professionally and neutrally back in early dec to get the facts from WC himself then he wanted to discuss the details of his work off of the forum of which I never got around to. So basically he treated me the same way as nubbins treated him yet he has the gall to cry about it while throwing me under the bus without coming to me to get the facts about my designs for my coins (physical bitcoins).

Quote from: smoothie on January 24, 2015, 04:42:55 AM

Quote from: nubbins on January 23, 2015, 11:56:15 AM

This was lost in the hard drive crash, but luckily I took a screenshot.

Here's a "master wood carver" who makes ten million dollars a year, calling his detractors fags:

Here it is

5. You are right I do not do much wood work. Never claimed to. But take your cheap shot on me anyway. Thanks for answering for WC and ignoring the fact that he did not show how the stencil was put on to the wood. It just appeared magically before the video started. Roll Eyes

6. Oh really? Look at all of the tools he posted in the pic he sent me back in december 2014. No power tools he used in his video are to be found in that picture. LOL once again nice try. Also note our discussion in my quote below as you will see I approached him with a professional attitude. Only after what I seen transpire in the last week by WC did I change my stance on the guy being unprofessional, a liar, and a thief.

Quote from: WoodCollector on December 02, 2014, 07:43:20 PM

Quote from: smoothie on December 02, 2014, 07:19:36 PM

Is this hand carved?

Honestly, no offense it looks like it was laser engraved. I've lasered wood and it looks very similar in nature.

Nice work!!

Hand carved with chisels and worked with a dremmel tool and sandpaper.

No offense taken.

I've seen lasered wood before and it just looks dull to me. It only has 1 real dimension and that's depth. I was looking into getting a laser to speed up the stenciling process but after a day of searching found that any good ones run $20,000 up to $80,000 which is a lot more than i want to spend to save 5 minutes of work of transferring an outline from paper to wood.

7. Just because we suspect they are sock puppets does not make us wrong in our being skeptical. You should go back into forum history and see how sock puppets have been used to scam and dissuade detractors in discussions. Not a bad thing to be skeptical. You take our skepticism to another level of butthurt.

Seriously as HILARIOUSANDCO asked you, when are you going to leave this forum as you cry like a little whiney baby much like Goat did and if you truly feel the way you do why not stop wasting your time here and move on to a better place...hint: cryptocrypt.org? lol Roll Eyes