Quote from: nubbins on January 25, 2015, 05:50:47 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 25, 2015, 04:28:52 PM

He applied those router lines BY HAND. Not by laser, Not by CNC, but with a HAND ROUTER.

Sounds like speculation rather than fact.

Shill or moron. Probably not a good idea to trust either way. Negative feedback left.

Actually no. That is experience with woodworking tools AS WELL as experience with laser engravers. I know for a fact he could have accomplished that exact effect with a hand guided router. You, however deny this possibility and claim it could ONLY have been created by a laser engraver or CNC. THAT is called speculation. The fact that you continue to insinuate he is just doing all of this as an elaborate ploy to deceive everyone here after he released the video of his HAND CARVING demonstrates very clearly your lack of a grasp on reality.

By the way Nubbins, if you think abusing your position on the default trust in an attempt to intimidate myself and others into silence will work, you are SORELY mistaken. You just turned what was just a discussion, into a personal vendetta with me now by abusing the trust system in an attempt to punish me for disagreeing with you in public. You have also done the same to MANY other users over this incident for doing nothing more than disagreeing with you and your mob action, as well as convinced others to do the same. You are going to need to use a telescope to see the sky from the depth of the hole you are digging for yourself.

Quote from: ElectricMucus on January 25, 2015, 04:36:14 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 25, 2015, 04:11:07 PM

The initial design itself was applied with a HAND GUIDED router.

Goodness gracious. Next you are telling me he traced those outer circles with micron level precision.

So he is supposed to carve perfect circles completely by hand now? Do you know anything about woodworking? You pin a board at the center of the piece and spin the router around it to make... you guessed it... a perfect circle... no lasers or CNC required.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mJZ4vqPmUTU&x-yt-cl=84503534&x-yt-ts=1421914688#t=100

Quote from: BG4 on January 25, 2015, 07:38:25 PM

I have proved 90% of the evidence against woodcollectors scheme...I have found almost every vector art he has used from the internet.....which was supposed to be original from his own mind.. He has not used or doesnt have a laser...I have proved that he indeed wanted a laser and wanted build one.. I can go on and on with the evidence I have shown.... make up your own mind by rereading all the facts.....

Would you trust woodcollector with everthing you have seen and read....then please send coins to 1LatheNNRsWhSZBcFvXpkZd1P3Wz4yA3Vz( woodcollectors Lathe funds) and see if he will send them back.... I know I wouldnt!!!

You haven't proven a SINGLE THING. What you have done however is string together lots of theories and increasingly thin plot lines in an interesting narrative. Speculation is not evidence. In order to have proof you need a collection of evidence. You don't have a single piece of actual evidence, just unskilled personal observation, accusations, and theories.

Quote from: stingleword on January 25, 2015, 07:19:39 PM

I've been eyeing WoodCollector's work for some time, and have considered purchasing a piece, but I won't and here's why:

1) The works are advertised as "hand-carved" and this video is described as "hand carving". This is not hand carving. You use handheld power tools; therefore this is hand crafting. You also explicitly stated that you did work with a hand-guided router. That's a fabrication machine, not a powered hand tool. It's been on a fabrication table; therefore, it's a mechanically fabricated work even if all the machining was done by hand. Misrepresenting your work as hand-carved is an attempt to overprice it. You could argue that it is still hand-crafted and possibly win the argument, but there is no way this work could be called "hand carving". (Disagree? Ask an Amish woodworker that actually does hand-carve everything.)

2) Professional carpenters never, ever, EVER smoke in the shop. It's an incredible fire hazard as well as a personal danger since stimulants can increase the risk of slippage on a power tool. My father was an avid chain smoker and would never allow tobacco in his work area. Not only are there safety issues, but tobacco smoke has a deleterious effect on unfinished wood including staining it and imparting the odor. Nothing ruins the smell of fresh wood cuttings quite like tobacco smoke, and it never goes away...

1) So, because he used hand guided tools on part of his projects, the actual manual hand tool carving he does in addition suddenly is not hand carving? So unless he does EVERYTHING from start to finish with manual hand tools, it is not "hand carved"? You sound completely ridiculous.

2)I know several professional woodworkers who smoke in their shops. Is it safe? Maybe not. Is it proof he is not a professional woodworker? Not in the slightest. This is just more circumstantial nonsense woven into a big web of bullshit theories.

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 25, 2015, 07:31:55 PM

I think if WC agreed to use this label from now on, and refunded those customers
who were unhappy because of this scandal, he would win a lot of respect
(mine included), despite all the foolishness that has occurred so far.

Who the fuck are you to demand anything from him? If his customers ACTUALLY have a problem nothing is stopping them from posting here or anywhere else on the forum to get resolution. This is just more obsessive compulsive 2 bit mall cop control game bullshit in a last ditch attempt to get him to admit fault where there NEVER WAS ANY.

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 25, 2015, 07:14:48 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 25, 2015, 07:04:55 PM

I would say that even if it were carved with a laser with an initial imprint then it would not be the scam that this is being made out to be.

Perhaps not... but WC sabotaged himself and
create a scandal by fervently denying it was
anything but "hand carved"... and that's when
everyone pounced on him and called BS.

I think you have a serious problem with remembering the order of events. It went something like this:

1. Nubbins was bored one day and has a theory that WC's works must be laser engraved.

2. Speculation is posted along with stacks of indeterminate circumstantial information that may or may not mean anything.

3. Nubbins rallies a mob within 24 hours before WC even has a chance to reply to this "scandal" Nubbins has invented.

4. WC attempts to defend himself from a mob of willfully ignorant children who have never whittled a stick let alone done any actual serious craftsmanship.

5. Everyone is a self proclaimed expert.

6. Based on these "expert" opinions he MUST be lying. Baseless accusations galore.

7. WC provides actual video proof of his hand carving skills.

8. A staff member of the forum decides to start banning people who speak on behalf of WC and deletes their posts.

9. Nubbins flips out and negative trust ratings for all who oppose him.

10. Nubbins and his clique continue fight tooth and nail to prevent having to admit they were wrong.